Tremulous Forum
Media => Mapping Center => Topic started by: MrFish on June 07, 2010, 06:56:12 pm
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Is there anywhere I can get a copy of the acts map. Or someone who has made a copy of the acts map? It would be very much appreciated!
I mean the .map file of course (not the .bsp or .pk3)
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Why the heck do you want the .map of ATCS????
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None of your beeswax :p
Is it in the sourcecode? I never downloaded it.
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Well,
If you can - and know - do .pk3 to .zip.... it's all about that. And once you know how to make .pk3 to .zip and vice versa, do same to atcs.
And the mysteries of .maps are revealed....
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Except there is no .map file in the stock atcs pk3, and decompiling is a buggy pile of pain.
If you have any luck getting hold of it I wouldn't mind playing around with the layout either.
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Well,
If you can - and know - do .pk3 to .zip.... it's all about that. And once you know how to make .pk3 to .zip and vice versa, do same to atcs.
And the mysteries of .maps are revealed....
lol
Jez says it all- there is no .map file in the acts.pk3 archive, only a .bsp. And yes I can convert a .pk3 to .zip and vice versa (because it's the same thing).
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Talk to mrjex. You can find him on IRC occasionally.
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Except there is no .map file in the stock atcs pk3, and decompiling is a buggy pile of pain.
Oooopps. :-[ :-X
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just download an atcs clone map.
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you can haz acts but you can no has my acts
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What are you guys talking about?
He asked for aCts, not aTcs.
Learn to read, jeez.
MrFish: Sorry you had to deal with all these people making assumptions. I don't personally know the map you are talking about, but try finding who made it.
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He asked for aCts, not aTcs.
Learn to read, jeez.
Well it's actually me who needs to learn to spell. And I think they understood (well hopefully). In my mind I sounded it out like acts because even though it's an accronym it's not deliminated by punctation and it's much easier then pronouncing it how it's actually "spelled".
atcs - "aah-t-k-ss"
acts - "aah-k-ss" like "axe" (I don't pronounce the "t").
There inlies the problem.
So to clear up all confusion. I'm talking about the most played map on most servers in the original set of maps. Spell A.T.C.S which mean Advance Tactical Combat Simulator. So now does anyone have a copy? lol
you can haz acts but you can no has my acts
:(
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ATCS advanced tactical combat simulation
ATSC advanced tactical simulated combat
ASCT advanced simulated combat tactics
ASTC advanced simulated tactical combat
ACST advanced combat simulated tactics
ACTS advanced combat tactical simulation
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Yes, I have a copy.
No, I'm not dishing it out.
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Yes, I have a copy.
No, I'm not dishing it out.
So this is ultimately irrelevant to everyone...
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Mayby if you tell where you gonna use it...
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Well I need a map everyone is familiar of so that my addition makes more sense. That's all I can say. Most of the gameplay does not involve being in atcs but it's more of the starting area.
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Well if its any help, the stock tremor and arachnid2 pk3s have map files in, so you could use them. Incidentally, before the sanitised gpp version, tremor had a mess outside the map of unfinished components, which was an interesting little insight into the mapping process. ;)
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I could probably use one of those. Thanks!
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Yes, I have a copy.
No, I'm not dishing it out.
I thought an "open source" game implied the thought of people being open and helpful....
what a douche
Fish, I've seen your maps and if i had a copy of atcs, i would give it to you in a heartbeat.
nintendoland has to be the most creative map I've seen yet, and i can't wait to see what you dish out next
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I thought an "open source" game implied the thought of people being open and helpful....
It got moldy.
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I thought an "open source" game implied the thought of people being open and helpful....
I have to agree. I think it truly does not embody the Linux spirit to take something that is originally open source, add to it, and pass it on closed source. (Then you'l just be Apple). Dark legion studious ought to release it open source with a creative commons license. And I think I will probably release the Nintendo Land maps as open source
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Well I suspect if you know who to ask you could get the original atcs .map, I doubt they really care.(the problem is who has it)
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Yes, I have a copy.
No, I'm not dishing it out.
I thought an "open source" game implied the thought of people being open and helpful....
what a douche
Fish, I've seen your maps and if i had a copy of atcs, i would give it to you in a heartbeat.
nintendoland has to be the most creative map I've seen yet, and i can't wait to see what you dish out next
I highly doubt thorn actually has a copy of it, he's just being a jerk cuz he feels like it...
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ATCS map file - here you are.
http://senduit.com/c0d0cf (http://senduit.com/c0d0cf) 2 mb, link expires in one week.
I just decompiled the ATCS bsp. 1 minute of work really. It will of course not have any brushes set to detail, but that's not really a problem with ATCS (except for the compile time) because most surfaces inside the space where you move/play are flat. The decorations don't add much to the vis situation. Except outside above the entrances and on the map "shoulders" maybe.
I included a readme:
_atcs_ORIGINALFILEFROMPK3.bsp (bsp file from ATCS pk3 file that is in every standard Tremulous 1.1.0 installation)
_atcs_ORIGINALFILEFROMPK3_converted.map (conversion result - TO LOAD THIS IN RADIANT, YOU HAVE TO ACTIVATE PREFERENCES/BRUSHES/ALTERNATETEXTUREPROJECTION)
_BSP2MAP.bat (batchfile for conversion - just in case you don't know how this works)
_BSP2MAP_output.txt (the console output from the conversion)
map-gmotw_atcsraped_002-1.1.0.pk3 (A map that I made based on an ATCS deconversion. It includes the map file. This one does NOT use alternate texture projection because I used a different conversion method - and had to fix most textures manually)
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I highly doubt thorn actually has a copy of it, he's just being a jerk cuz he feels like it...
He has his connections. :P
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http://ader008.titandsl.co.uk/thorn/q2w/quake2world55.jpg (http://ader008.titandsl.co.uk/thorn/q2w/quake2world55.jpg)
^ 2008
Now, no. If you believe that opensource implies an open minded community, you're on cloud nine.
I think it truly does not embody the Linux spirit to take something that is originally open source, add to it, and pass it on closed source.
Yes, because opensource was mentioned, this must imply Linux. As to the rest of your statement, push it back in your ass where it came from.
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http://ader008.titandsl.co.uk/thorn/q2w/quake2world55.jpg (http://ader008.titandsl.co.uk/thorn/q2w/quake2world55.jpg)
^ 2008
Now, no. If you believe that opensource implies an open minded community, you're on cloud nine.
I think it truly does not embody the Linux spirit to take something that is originally open source, add to it, and pass it on closed source.
Yes, because opensource was mentioned, this must imply Linux. As to the rest of your statement, push it back in your ass where it came from.
Well at least you are mature about it.
To my knowledge half the users are Linux users. Tremulous is one of the few games that can easily be installed from a synaptic package manager and doesn't require custom installation (before tremfusion of course). So yes, I assume one or more people in the development team is a Linux user- either in the tremulous development team or quake development team. Most people that make games or software available to Linux users but aren't tied to it usually release them uncompiled and let the community do the work. It's all speculative but I'm going to bank on this. Also, somewhere along the line it became open source, and anyone who edits a program that is open source ought to release it as open source- it is the spirit of open source! This is the Linux mentality and I will refer to it as the Linux mentality even if it is politically incorrect. But I have a feeling that the developers use Linux.
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The media/assets are not code, and are under a different license.
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lol Linux mentality: "M$ IS OUT 4 UR SOUL AN MONIES WE MUS KILL BILL GATES WITH FIRE"
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Why the fact that some developers used linux means Thorn should release his copy of ATCS, and not doing so is anti-linux, I have no idea.
Good logic though.
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Hmm. The geometry of ATCS is simple enough for you to make a .map from scratch by looking at screenshots (as previous mappers have done), with potential room for improvement considering the map-related bugs I've experienced while playing in ATCS. A good mapper will do a far better job of reverse-engineering than a decompiler will.
As for the whole "open-source spirit", the game source code must be available, but not due to a fluffy emotional ideal. It's because the project must adherence to the license terms of IOQ3. There is, however, no such obligation to release the source of the game assets - in this case, that is the original mapper's decision.