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Title: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 06:22:10 am: As we all know, this game is still growing and sure to be a hit. Admins are given powers to make the game more enjoyable for other players, especially players that are out of line by team/base killing, severe insults to others, etc. Admin abusers are an easy way to make people hate the game and draw them away. Sadly, we are dealing with a lvl 4 admin who is greatly abusing his power. This admin has been previously complained about on the forums and by players during the game. This admins name is Superpie, and he should no longer have admin. His idea of having admin isnt to keep the game together-just to make his own game more enjoyable. From my experience it includes canceling level votes that were going yes, kicking players who he doesnt like, and more. My experience, it started with him canceling some votes and me, along with others calling him on abuse. Later i tried to explain to him why what he did was wrong and tried to give him tips on how to be a better admin-he didnt listen. instead, he kicked me for 20 minutes. the next day he brought the argument up again and ended up solving the argument by kicking me. Both times i asked him for a reason and his responses were "you know why" and "you must have a loss of memory." he wouldnt give a reason and just uses his power for his own good-not for the good of the game. Let us not forget, he's only 12 years old, way too immature to have lvl 4 power. im almost 19 and as an adult i definitely see this as wrong. superpie needs to be stopped before things get truly out of hand. In fact, i expect to be banned by him him for making this post. thanks for reading and i hope you will help me make this game better for everyone :)
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Tremulant on October 13, 2010, 06:49:33 am: Abe, i've kicked you myself for refusing to shut up and unmuting yourself, you must understand that constant postmortem of every admin action taken simply isn't productive.

Quote from: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 06:22:10 am
This admins name is Superpie, and he should no longer have admin.
maybe just 'this admin's name is superpie and i'm concerned about his misconduct' would have been a better choice of words.

Quote from: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 06:22:10 am
Later i tried to explain to him why what he did was wrong and tried to give him tips on how to be a better admin
Eeek! Please, abe, do be careful when you're out at the pub and someone does or says something you don't approve of, i'd hate to hear that you'd been knifed.

Quote from: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 06:22:10 am
i expect to be banned by him him for making this post
Do you really? really? that would be extremely unreasonable and not the kind of thing i'd expect from anyone.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 07:11:19 am: tremulant you gave a reason for kicking me because i complained-but dont get off topic. this post is not about me its about whether superpie should be trusted with admin. the reason i expect to be banned is because he abuses his admin. you know i did try to tell him how to be a better admin but he kicked me-thats what made me go on about this. if he had been the bigger man and accepted the fact that numerous people called him on abuse, then none of this wouldve happened. the second day after i became an admin i cancelled a change map vote because the "no" was a lot higher than the "yes." another admin told me that what i did was wrong because it was so early in the game. what did i do? i accepted the fact that i made a mistake and made it a learning experienced-like a mature person would do. he obviously is too immature to admit he made a mistake (again hes 12) and if you cant be the bigger man in that situation then you shouldnt have admin. us admins have to listen to the other players and help them, not just help ourselves like superpie does. if we could compromise on him having lvl2 until he has proven himself worthy of a higher level, then things will turn for the better.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Tremulant on October 13, 2010, 07:22:55 am: Quote from: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 07:11:19 am
you know i did try to tell him how to be a better admin but he kicked me-thats what made me go on about this. if he had been the bigger man and accepted the fact that numerous people called him on abuse, then none of this wouldve happened.
What would have happened had those people making accusations of abuse decided to be the bigger men themselves? Have there been some long term bans that i'm not aware of, you know something worth making a fuss about?
Note that i'm not defending superpie here, if you have evidence for serious abuse then do present it, just trying to explain to you that maybe you haven't dealt with this in the most mature way possible.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: NotYarou on October 13, 2010, 07:58:21 am: superpie is a great admin
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: ziplocpeople on October 13, 2010, 08:07:44 am: Observation: Lots of people are unhappy with superpie having admin, and accuse him of misconduct.
Observation: A large chunk of these complaints come from GT members such as myself. -- I only point this out, because many of the people who detract from the issue at hand seem to have personal issues with GT.

This could mean that there's a massive GT conspiracy to defame superpie. It could also mean that superpie has something against GT members. Or (more likely, in my opinion) the number of complaints from GT members correlates with the size of GT.

Observation: Whenever somebody has a complaint about superpie, they themselves often get attacked by pie's supporters.
Does this mean that his defenders can't make a proper defense for him? That they need to resort to defaming those who criticize him due to lack of a better argument?

Maybe, no way to know for sure. Hell, I could be completely misinterpreting what others have said, and their intentions.

Observation: These forum rules seem to be ignored when admins in general are criticized:

Quote from: http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?action=globalAnnouncements;id=2
3.) Healthy debates in topics are allowed. Flaming to the point of insult-trading is NOT okay.
4.) No spamming or advertising (includes useless multi-posts and bumps.) (This one is for you, NotYarou.)
  4b.) No thread hijacking.
5.) Stay fairly on topic.
6.) Criticism must be constructive.
  6b.) Do NOT harass other members.
  6c.) Do NOT troll!
Observation: Those criticizing superpie may not have done so in the most mature way possible (myself included.)

My personal analysis: I feel that the people who are accusing superpie are being attacked unnecessarily, make another topic about them if it really means that much to you. I also feel that, while provoked, superpie often times uses excessive/unnecessary punishment- Which is against server rules. Admin abuse can often times be a very emotional topic, which can make posts seem melodramatic, immature, etc.

Common sense: We should focus on the person who is being accused, more than the poster (unless it's completely relevant to the issue at hand.)

Note: Nobody is a perfect admin (or person for that matter,) this is why we need other admins to point out the folly in another admins actions wherever necessary-- At the same time, it's a completely different matter when an admin refuses to take any constructive criticism, or to put it more bluntly, is a bad admin.

Another note, common sense: When you criticize the poster for irrelevant matters, it detracts from the topic. It goes off topic (possible violation of forum rules 4b and 5.) We should focus on the alleged abuser, not the concerned individual posting about him.

One last note: This thread hasn't degraded (too far) as of yet, please try to keep it that way. (Also, I realize that I may have been somewhat redundant, but it's just to get my point across.)

~Medi
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 08:28:22 am: first, yarou, back up your statement. tremulant, the people who called superpie on abuse-when he was abusing i might add-were trying to make him recognize his mistake. what way is there to deal with this if he refuses to acknowledge that he is abusing and just keeps doing it? there have already been complaints on the forum before about his abuse. hes obsessed with power and no one is taking action so he keeps getting worse and worse. i dont know how old you are tremulant, but in my mind, a 12 year old should not be trusted with control over everyone.

well said medi, first off i want to point out the quote from the forum rules. i was giving superpie CONSTRUCTIVE criticism for being a better admin and he kicked me for it-so he is an abuser. i was not harassing him-hes too young to tell the difference. i also want to address the belief of a GT conspiracy. i didnt know superpie hated GT until i saw him truly abuse. when you look at it, many people hate GTs, including many admins, but were not trying to defame all of them. i think the massive complaints do correlate to the fact that GT is very large. also, many people not in GT hate having superpie as an admin

what you said about constructive criticism is absolutely correct about refusing to take it is one sign of a bad admin. i myself am a design major so im used to dealing with constructive criticism and using it to my advantage. superpie is too young to handle it.

as you said, many people are against him having admin and the number is growing. no admin is perfect, including me, but i try my best and im only going to get better. superpie on the other hand, is getting worse.

tremulant i know youre friends with superpie but you have to realize that hes a straight up abusing admin and this game doesnt have room for abusers. medi once again, well said
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Aelita on October 13, 2010, 08:34:31 am: Quote from: NotYarou on October 13, 2010, 07:58:21 am
superpie is a great admin

yarou for admin 2010 BEST CANTIDATE
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: ziplocpeople on October 13, 2010, 08:39:31 am: Quote from: Aelita on October 13, 2010, 08:34:31 am
Quote from: NotYarou on October 13, 2010, 07:58:21 am
superpie is a great admin

yarou for admin 2010 BEST CANTIDATE
4.) No spamming or advertising (includes useless multi-posts and bumps.)
5.) Stay fairly on topic.
6c.) Do NOT troll!
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Aelita on October 13, 2010, 09:09:59 am: Medistation: Fuck you. Fuck your holier-than-thou attitude. Stop fucking pseudo-modding these forums and those servers. This is not your territory. You're acting all high and mighty, but you're nothing but an insignificant worm with the rest of us.

tl;dr get off your high horse and stfu until you're actually a moderator.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 10:05:57 am: Aelita stop going off-topic this post is a serious one about an admin who is severely abusing his power. if youre mad at medi then take it somewhere else. just look at superpies view on adminship-its terrible. the way he puts his views makes him a dictator
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Tremulant on October 13, 2010, 10:14:52 am: Ah, Medi taking the highground and quoting spacecorps directives, classic stuff.
Start building a body of evidence that demonstrated superpie has been _severely_ abusing his authority, that's all this thread needs to contain, none of the high and mighty better admining masterclass bollocks, just prove the accusations, simple.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 10:28:33 am: tremulant. you were literally there when he refused to take advice and kicked me instead. i think thats the best proof you can get. also look at superpies post on his views-everyone wants his admin gone, so forget written proof, lets be a democracy here-no one wants him with admin
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Tremulant on October 13, 2010, 10:45:01 am: Quote from: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 10:28:33 am
tremulant. you were literally there when he refused to take advice and kicked me instead. i think thats the best proof you can get. also look at superpies post on his views-everyone wants his admin gone, so forget written proof, lets be a democracy here-no one wants him with admin

Absolutely, FUCK EVIDENCE, EVERYONE GRAB A PITCHFORK!!!!!!!1!!!ONE
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Lava_Croft on October 13, 2010, 10:46:45 am: The problem with Superpie is not that he is abusive, because as one can see in this (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=14445.0;all) thread, Medistation is just as abusive. The problem is that Superpie is abusive against the 'wrong' people, namely Medistation and his friends. You are only supposed to abuse non-vocal people who will most likely not visit these forums or IRC to complain about it.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 10:55:54 am: lava. that is a terrible thing to say. youre not supposed to be abusive to anyone. superpie obviously finds it fun to abuse adminship which is why he should be demoted
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Superpie on October 13, 2010, 03:15:46 pm: Summary of my point of view: I canceled a vote that was going 3-yes 9-no, and then he called it again and i canceled it because it was a repeat. Abe said ABUSE or something likely misspelled along those lines. I took it as kidding, because someone always seems to say that after anyone does anything. Then a few hours later he starts laying into me about it, not even citing what it was, just that it was abuse. He just won't shut up, even after I explained myself he just kept asking why I did it. So I told him, Abe, shut the fuck up or I will skip right past the mute and kick you. So I ended up kicking him as expected, knowing full well that he's not someone capable of shutting up. He comes back bitching some more, and after quite a bit of leniency for that I end up having to kick him again. A few lines after he came back, he finally shut up for about ten minutes before bringing it up again. Then I let him debate with Tremulant and Silverfox while silently watching him fail to realize what he was doing wrong.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: David on October 13, 2010, 03:56:17 pm: If you want to post a complaint, post some evidence & details, otherwise this is just a rant.

Every time an admin does anything people accuse them of abuse, which puts the onus on the accuser a lot more than it should be.

If you want to improve the quality of admining and accountability, tackling the bogus accusations is probably the best way to do it.

Also, IMO, chatting in-game about non-game stuff is distracting and prevents people from coordinating properly. IMO it should be kicked / muted for regardless of topic.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: A Spork on October 13, 2010, 04:11:47 pm: Quote from: David on October 13, 2010, 03:56:17 pm
Also, IMO, chatting in-game about non-game stuff is distracting and prevents people from coordinating properly. IMO it should be kicked / muted for regardless of topic.
Are you for serious?!?!?!?

People chat ingame, that's what the chat button is for, teamchat is mainly for coordination, yes, but saying people can't just chat while they're playing is just plain insane bro.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: UniqPhoeniX on October 13, 2010, 04:18:37 pm: Obviously no-one relevant cares that he is abusing. Which makes these posts irrelevant. But yes, you should post SOME evidence, even if in the other thread superpie demonstrated his arrogance personally. And here too actually, saying he went straight past mute to kick when mute (or even /ignore <name>, but he can't read that :( ) would have sufficed.

EDIT: all you damn trolls gtfo. This forum needs some moderators. And no, the current so called mods don't count.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: David on October 13, 2010, 04:41:56 pm: Quote from: A Spork on October 13, 2010, 04:11:47 pm
Quote from: David on October 13, 2010, 03:56:17 pm
Also, IMO, chatting in-game about non-game stuff is distracting and prevents people from coordinating properly. IMO it should be kicked / muted for regardless of topic.
Are you for serious?!?!?!?

People chat ingame, that's what the chat button is for, teamchat is mainly for coordination, yes, but saying people can't just chat while they're playing is just plain insane bro.

You can chat, but if all your doing is filling the chat window with crap that's getting in the way of the people who are using it for what it was designed for, then I'd do something. The server is there so people can play, if you're not playing and are getting in the way of people who are, then that's pretty much the exact description of when an admin should act.

And for the record, I'm not even sure if I have admin any more, I haven't done anything for ages.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Meisseli on October 13, 2010, 05:39:40 pm: What in earth does GT have against this guy?

Even I think I have kicked and muted more GTs than him.

If someone is pestering me, yes, I might even mute the player. ABUSE!

Quote from: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 10:13:37 am
superpie are you the reincarnation of hitler or something?

:D
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: c4 on October 13, 2010, 06:34:45 pm: Quote from: Meisseli on October 13, 2010, 05:39:40 pm
Even I think I have kicked and muted more GTs than him.

Maybe that's because there are 70+ GT's and there is only 1 superpie (I hope)
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: your face on October 13, 2010, 07:18:59 pm: Quote from: UniqPhoeniX on October 13, 2010, 04:18:37 pm
...even if in the other thread superpie demonstrated his arrogance personally.

Takes one to know one, doesn't it? ::)
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: superspirality on October 13, 2010, 07:28:32 pm: Quote from: c4 on October 13, 2010, 06:34:45 pm
Quote from: Meisseli on October 13, 2010, 05:39:40 pm
Even I think I have kicked and muted more GTs than him.

Maybe that's because there are 70+ GT's and there is only 1 superpie (I hope)
Umm ok...wait, what. Meisseli has a twin then? :P
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 09:05:11 pm: ok back on topic to what superpie said and how it was completely wrong. first off, the vote was not 3 to 9 it was 5 to 4. also, even if a vote is going no, you still shouldnt cancel it-an admin told me that when i first got lvl3. Also, youre too young to realize the difference between bitching and giving constructive criticism. also, the next day youre the one who brought it back up, not me. the reason i didnt shut up is because youre too immature to acknowledge that you made a mistake, you just want to solve YOUR problems by kicking, which is abuse. look at all the people who think youre abusive. face facts, youre too young and too immature to be trusted with that sort of power-so know what youre talking about when you try to attack me.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Undeference on October 14, 2010, 12:30:51 am: Quote from: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 06:22:10 am
His idea of having admin isnt to keep the game together-just to make his own game more enjoyable.
I'm pretty sure superpie doesn't play, so that supposition is highly unlikely.

Quote from: David on October 13, 2010, 03:56:17 pm
If you want to post a complaint, post some evidence & details, otherwise this is just a rant.
In general, this.

Quote from: Meisseli on October 13, 2010, 05:39:40 pm
Quote from: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 10:13:37 am
superpie are you the reincarnation of hitler or something?

:D
wtg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law)

Quote from: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 09:05:11 pm
ok back on topic to what superpie said and how it was completely wrong.
The reason most complaints of admin abuse are ignored is because people who complain tend to have a specific, generally relatively minor "infraction" that they focus on. If you want anything to be done, you should be trying to show that superpie's actions are more harmful than beneficial.

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first off, the vote was not 3 to 9 it was 5 to 4. also, even if a vote is going no, you still shouldnt cancel it-an admin told me that when i first got lvl3.
That really depends on the vote type and the situation surrounding the vote. But canceling a vote, even a legitimate vote, is not particularly abusive (except to the vote, but it is not complaining, is it?).

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Also, youre too young…youre too immature…youre too young and too immature to be trusted with that sort of power
You focus a lot on age and seem to believe being (presumably) older means you are more mature, but this thread does not really support that. Case in point:
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the reason i didnt shut up is because youre too immature

I'm pretty sure this thread isn't going anywhere, but I'm feeling particularly abusive right now, so I'm not going to lock it. Oh the horror!
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: your face on October 14, 2010, 12:49:31 am: it's not locked
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: c4 on October 14, 2010, 01:01:46 am: Quote
I'm not going to lock it.

Also, ahe, don't talk about abuse until you stop threatening to ban me for calling your shitty base "shitty"

Age has nothing to do with maturity. Yes, older people tend to be more mature, but it's not always the case. You are a good example. Obviously, superpie still has admin for a reason, and whether it's unbeknownced to you or not, you need to back up your statements with proof. If he's really pissing you and your clam off so much, look towards yourself first and figure out if you or your entire clam does something that can be looked on badly.

Finally, Undeference wins. That is all.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Tremulant on October 14, 2010, 01:02:26 am: Quote from: Undeference on October 14, 2010, 12:30:51 am
I'm pretty sure this thread isn't going anywhere, but I'm feeling particularly abusive right now, so I'm not going to lock it. Oh the horror!
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: ziplocpeople on October 14, 2010, 01:13:49 am: Quote from: c4 on October 14, 2010, 01:01:46 am
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If he's really pissing you and your clam off so much.
Shhhh, conspiracies are meant to be kept secret!
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Lecavalier on October 14, 2010, 02:44:10 am: Quote from: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 06:22:10 am
tl;dr
If you're gonna be making threads like this, you need to bring some evidence with you. Maybe some screenshots or gamelogs, any kind of proof would be sufficient. Really, you need at least something to back up your claim!
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: c4 on October 14, 2010, 02:58:05 am: Quote from: c4 on October 14, 2010, 01:01:46 am
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I'm not going to lock it.

Also, abe, don't talk about abuse until you stop threatening to ban me for calling your shitty base "shitty"

Age has nothing to do with maturity. Yes, older people tend to be more mature, but it's not always the case. You are a good example. Obviously, superpie still has admin for a reason, and whether it's unbeknownced to you or not, you need to back up your statements with proof. If he's really pissing you and your clam off so much, look towards yourself first and figure out if you or your entire clam does something that can be looked on badly.

Finally, Undeference wins. That is all.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 14, 2010, 04:28:05 am: ok theres a lot to reply to. first im going to address the age issue. an older person doesnt mean that they are more mature than a younger person, but in this case it does. superpie has proven that he is immature and hes is 12 years old-not exactly in-between adult and child. undeference i undertsnad where your coming from on some points but im going to have to contradict you. he had numerous infractions-but its not so much his infractions as it is his idea that hes never wrong. if someone tells him hes wrong, he will kick them. the votes (plural) he cancelled were both legitimate, which is why i called him on abuse. For your first comment-Superpie has been playing everyday. i think that having so many people complain about him is enough evidence that he is abusing. I'm not asking for lvl4 but i dont see why he has it and many other responsible players dont. Developers, your job is to make the game better, demoting superpie is one way to do it. make the right choice.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Tremulant on October 14, 2010, 05:14:54 am: Ok abe, since you still don't know when to stop, why don't you tell us exactly what votes superpie cancelled, at what point in the game they came, and by who they were called?

I can only assume that he blocked the kicking of a repeat basenader on multiple occasions, considering the amount of fuss you're making about it. Not that this is going to happen but i'm curious, since you're so convinced that superpie's basically evil and that his demotion is the only way to save tremulous and its players from tyranny, would you be happy to have your admin level revoked if it meant superpie being demoted?
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 14, 2010, 06:41:33 am: ok you still dont seem to get it tremulant. i dont think he should have admin because he has a history of abuse and hes too immature to admit his mistakes. i cant remember who called the votes but i remember they were in the first 2 minutes of the game. this shouldnt be taken out on me, there is no reason that i should have to take the fall. stop replying when you dont even know the reason why he should be demoted
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: mooseberry on October 14, 2010, 08:16:55 am: Quote from: Undeference on October 14, 2010, 12:30:51 am
so I'm not going to lock it.

Quote from: your face on October 14, 2010, 12:49:31 am
it's not locked

Wow that is a brilliant statement, but I'm hesitant to accept such radical notions immediately. Could we please get an independent evaluation and confirmation that this is indeed the case? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Ingar on October 14, 2010, 11:18:06 am: On maturity:
Mature in general means you have to provide for yourself, your home and/or your family,
it is all about responsibility. In general, I don't consider anyone who hasn't seen
the real (job-) life for a few years as particulary mature. I know some people who
disagreed on this, until they got a job themselves.

On admin:
Throughtout the years I've been playing trem, I usually played on servers where I had
a high admin level or rcon access. The truth is, beeing an admin usually sucks.
I'd rather concentrate on the game than on the petty grievances of the users. Having
an admin is the easiest way to protect yourself from idiocies like groups cleaning the server
with vote-kicks, constant map changes (you know where someone joins and immediatly
callvotes map atcs)

Bottom line, I have admin so I can play in peace. The facts that
my greatest annoyances are usually against the rules anyway and
that admin-ing keeps the server playable, are a nice bonus.

People like to point to the rules to identify infractions and punish the one responsible
but few people realize that the rules are mostly guidelines, and the rules are there
in the first place because there are a lot of people who don't seem to know how
to behave themselves on a public game server. Some people will test the borders
of the rules, some admins might get annoyed, the rules might get changed and the
game starts all over again.

Neither Fun-Zone, nor SatGNU, the largest servers I played on had any real rules.
Fun-Zone was a 'fun' place, players acted like it and we usually didn't have any problems.
SatGNU had Lava_Croft, and we usually didn't have any problems.

The facts:
I played a lot on US1 yesterday, and the only player who actually annoyed me
was Abe complaining about superpie. I had to ask him several times to stop it.
So, for me, superpie is not the problem (I've seen him exactly once on US1).

My point of view:
Superpie might have done something stupid, I don't know, I wasn't there.
Abe was whining, I saw it with my own eyes, had to ask im to stop, had to remove a forum a post etc.

This drama thread has been quite entertaining so far (that's why I haven't deleted nor locked it),
but if the drama demands that I have to spend extra time to clean up the mess, I'll bill the hours to
the one causing it.

Rule-of-thumb: if the complaints costs more energy then the infraction, it isn't worth wasting my time on.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Lava_Croft on October 14, 2010, 11:30:17 am: On Honest Abe:

Stop whining and start hosting your own server.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Tremulant on October 14, 2010, 02:07:23 pm: Quote from: Honest Abe on October 14, 2010, 06:41:33 am
ok you still dont seem to get it tremulant.
You've got no argument from me there, i have a feeling that i'm not alone failing to get it, though.
Quote from: Honest Abe on October 14, 2010, 06:41:33 am
i dont think he should have admin because he has a history of abuse and hes too immature to admit his mistakes.
people are starting to come out of the woodwork to tell us your history of threatening behaviour as an admin, as for admitting to mistakes, you don't appear overly skilled in this field yourself.
Quote from: Honest Abe on October 14, 2010, 06:41:33 am
i cant remember who called the votes but i remember they were in the first 2 minutes of the game. this shouldnt be taken out on me, there is no reason that i should have to take the fall. stop replying when you dont even know the reason why he should be demoted
So you don't remember the details of his horrendous crimes, yet you still maintain that they were severe enough to warrant his immediate demotion, but this demotion isn't something you care enough about to give up your power on the server, if that's what it would take? Surely you only made this fuss for the greater good, i'm confused.
You are correct, i'm afraid that i don't know the reason, you continually fail to explain it to me, maybe you need to use shorter words and less complex english, since i can't imagine there's any other explanation for my failure to grasp it.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 14, 2010, 04:02:55 pm: OMG tremulant the votes he cancelled are not the reason he should be demoted! how many times do i have to say it!? As for me, i dont abuse my admin. I wasnt whining i just dont understand why none of you think he should be demoted. what mistakes do i have to admit to? i dont threaten people, i help people-its my job as an admin. Ingar what you said about jobs is true, ive had jobs and done A LOT of volunteer work for my community. Im suprised that you suddenly want me to lose my admin just because im trying to stop an admin abuser.

again-im not saying he should lose his admin for cancelling those votes, get it through your head. and again, what mistakes should i admit to? inform me
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: c4 on October 14, 2010, 05:33:14 pm: You threaten me by saying I'm on this ice because I give you C&C about your terrible bases. Stop whining and go play the game. You aren't the only admin on the server, and that's the way it will always be. You aren't in anyway special. You, like most every other GT with admin, begged for it until the devs got fed up and gave it to you.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Ingar on October 14, 2010, 05:41:28 pm: Quote from: Honest Abe on October 14, 2010, 04:02:55 pm
Ingar what you said about jobs is true, ive had jobs and done A LOT of volunteer work for my community. Im suprised that you suddenly want me to lose my admin just because im trying to stop an admin abuser.

I am not accusing you of admin abuse nor am I pleading for your demotion, I was merely annoyed by the fact that this 'minor incident'
has totally been blown out of proportion, to the extend that it started to disturb gameplay on US1.
I just think it doesn't deserve this much attention, there are far more important issues to take care of.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 14, 2010, 05:58:34 pm: this isnt a minor incident, hes been abusing admin for a long time. i got my admin from a fellow GT, i didnt beg a dev. im just like every other player, just one with certain privileges to help the game. for example, i kicked someone today who base killed all the eggs and the om. do i like to kick? no. but i do it for the good of the other players who play fair. C4, i know i said you were on thin ice, i remember that, but i never kick someone if theyre insulting me. i might have muted you at most because we should never be disrespectful to anyone. I think that a compromise can be made here by making superpie a lvl2, he'll still have some admin powers but he wont be able to abuse it.

Ingar feel free to delete this forum conversation, it has gone off topic. thanks for clarifying that youre not accusing me of admin abuse, just because an admin warns doesnt mean hes abusing
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: c4 on October 14, 2010, 06:30:26 pm: Just play the game dude. If he kicks you, it isn't a big deal. Wait 30 minutes and come back. It really isn't the end of the world.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Tremulant on October 14, 2010, 08:13:26 pm: If those votes aren't the reason then i'm still waiting on evidence of the other infractions, of course i don't expect to see it, we really should brush this whole sorry affair under the carpet and forget about it.

On behalf of all the other admins who clearly, like me, don't care about the game or its players;
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2dslqa0.jpg)
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: ziplocpeople on October 14, 2010, 11:09:21 pm: Quote from: Ingar on October 14, 2010, 05:41:28 pm
I just think it doesn't deserve this much attention, there are far more important issues to take care of.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: OhaiReapd on October 15, 2010, 12:03:33 am: Quote from: ziplocpeople on October 14, 2010, 11:09:21 pm
Quote from: Ingar on October 14, 2010, 05:41:28 pm
I just think it doesn't deserve this much attention, there are far more important issues to take care of.

Like MOAR GANGERS :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger: :granger:
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 12:09:45 am: Im going to say it again tremulant. there are so many players who say hes an abuser i dont need written evidence. a lvl4 admin who i talked to, who got his admin around the same time as superpie, says that pie has been abusing his admin since the day he got it
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: David on October 15, 2010, 12:21:04 am: Quote from: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 12:09:45 am
there are so many players who say hes an abuser i dont need written evidence.
A) Learn to write.
B) No written evidence needed, demos / condumps are what's needed.
C) Get those people to prove their real identities and maybe numbers might mean something.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Aelita on October 15, 2010, 12:25:34 am: Quote from: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 12:09:45 am
Im going to say it again tremulant. there are so many players who say hes an abuser i dont need written evidence. a lvl4 admin who i talked to, who got his admin around the same time as superpie, says that pie has been abusing his admin since the day he got it

My kids say: He said to me, and I'm like... and he's like... and she's like...
It's all... He's all... She's all...
I can't get behind that kind of like, English!

- William Shatner
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 03:28:33 am: Aelita i have no idea what you're saying. If you're not going to contribute then stop posting.

David look at the post where superpie explains his admin beliefs-those enough proves he shouldn't be admin. In the responses plenty of people are against him.

None of this matters though because Superpie isn't going to be demoted, even though he deserves to be.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: OhaiReapd on October 15, 2010, 03:55:00 am: Quote from: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 03:28:33 am
Aelita i have no idea what you're saying. If you're not going to contribute then stop posting.

David look at the post where superpie explains his admin beliefs-those enough proves he shouldn't be admin. In the responses plenty of people are against him.

None of this matters though because Superpie isn't going to be demoted, even though he deserves to be.

Don't talk to my aelita like that.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Kiwi on October 15, 2010, 03:59:51 am: Aw, I read through this whole thread just so I could post my witty remark at the end, shame it's all over now. But in all honesty, you have no evidence to back up your statements, you don't prove any points (or state them clearly), and you don't use apostrophes.

Quote from: Honest Abe on October 14, 2010, 05:58:34 pm
this isnt a minor incident, hes been abusing admin for a long time. i got my admin from a fellow GT, i didnt beg a dev. im just like every other player, just one with certain privileges to help the game.

(http://www.apostropheabuse.com/wp-content/uploads/image-import/_aR7uIk5VS2Y/Sd4UWkJwpuI/AAAAAAAAFfQ/-a9qqwQIYb4/s400/apostrophe3.jpg)
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Saliva on October 15, 2010, 04:13:54 am: Abe, I believe you. Keep fighting for justice and soon superpie's tyrannical rule will end! Just keep posting and repeating the facts over and over again until everyone sees the light.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Bunker Gate Seven on October 15, 2010, 04:54:54 am: Its dead I tellsya.. Dead!
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: OhaiReapd on October 15, 2010, 04:55:20 am: Quote from: Saliva on October 15, 2010, 04:13:54 am
Abe, I believe you. Keep fighting for justice and soon superpie's tyrannical rule will end! Just keep posting and repeating the facts over and over again until everyone sees the light.

You mean like a conservative Christian trying to convert someone?
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Saliva on October 15, 2010, 08:42:11 am: Quote from: OhaiReapd on October 15, 2010, 04:55:20 am
You mean like a conservative Christian trying to convert someone?
Yes, that's a good comparison.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Bunker Gate Seven on October 15, 2010, 09:05:06 am: Quote from: Saliva on October 15, 2010, 08:42:11 am
Quote from: OhaiReapd on October 15, 2010, 04:55:20 am
You mean like a conservative Christian trying to convert someone?
Yes, that's a good comparison.

So is my penis to your vagina. :P
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 12:11:36 pm: coincidentally im actually a very conservative chrsitian
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: OhaiReapd on October 15, 2010, 12:22:23 pm: Quote from: Bunker Gate Seven on October 15, 2010, 09:05:06 am
Quote from: Saliva on October 15, 2010, 08:42:11 am
Quote from: OhaiReapd on October 15, 2010, 04:55:20 am
You mean like a conservative Christian trying to convert someone?
Yes, that's a good comparison.

So is my penis to your vagina. :P

Nice trolling.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: superspirality on October 15, 2010, 07:20:32 pm: Quote from: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 12:11:36 pm
coincidentally im actually a very conservative chrsitian
Quote from: CreatureofHell on October 08, 2010, 04:14:57 pm
i have a hat and would like to make dretch barbecues
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Tremulant on October 15, 2010, 09:02:17 pm: Quote from: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 12:11:36 pm
coincidentally im actually a very conservative chrsitian
I really do hope you're experimenting with humour now.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: OhaiReapd on October 15, 2010, 09:03:59 pm: Quote from: Tremulant on October 15, 2010, 09:02:17 pm
Quote from: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 12:11:36 pm
coincidentally im actually a very conservative chrsitian
I really do hope you're experimenting with humour now.

Nope.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: c4 on October 15, 2010, 09:21:46 pm: Quote from: OhaiReapd on October 15, 2010, 09:03:59 pm
Quote from: Tremulant on October 15, 2010, 09:02:17 pm
Quote from: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 12:11:36 pm
coincidentally im actually a very conservative chrsitian
I really do hope you're experimenting with humour now.

Nope.

Win
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 09:38:31 pm: i actually am lol. i live on the border between north and south carolina. im very conservative and a methodist christian
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Tremulant on October 15, 2010, 10:01:56 pm: Oh christ!
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: janev on October 15, 2010, 10:22:44 pm: Quote from: Honest Abe on October 13, 2010, 06:22:10 am
Let us not forget, he's only 12 years old, way too immature to have lvl 4 power.

I LOL'ed and entered speed reading mode.

Do I need to spell this out for you? E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E or G-T-F-O
Stop throwing around unverifiable bullshit. Everybody knows, Evidence exists to support this conclusion but I'm not showing it blaah, it's irrelevant.

To the big dog admins: Remember SatGNU and how well it worked with a few good tyrannical admins. From one dominatrix to another: Remove admin rights from Honest Abe and anyone affiliated with him. Give it a few weeks and see how things work.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Tremulant on October 15, 2010, 10:35:07 pm: Janev! Hey hot-tits, how's tricks?
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: superspirality on October 15, 2010, 10:35:57 pm: Hmm.
I presume I have something to keep the topic alive.
I don't have anything against superspie, but... well, here's the condump. I erased all the frag messages, but nothing more.
Code: [Select]
VeVo connected [H] GT-Wavesynck: Lol [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): or not [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): cause it died [A] A|^WhiteTech-GT: trapped an mouse glitched :l [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): well some of it [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): the ele defenses are still up VeVo entered the game [H] GT-Wavesynck: duh VeVo joined the aliens [A] VeVo: VeeeeeeeeeeeeeVo For Eveeeeeeeeeeer!!!!! [A] VeVo: VeeeeeeeeeeeeeVo For Eveeeeeeeeeeer!!!!! [A] VeVo: VeeeeeeeeeeeeeVo For Eveeeeeeeeeeer!!!!! [A] A|^WhiteTech-GT: 1 sec Im going to see if I can fix my mouse [H] (GT-Wavesynck): what [H] (GT-Wavesynck): 1 spawn D: [H] (GT-Belliom): oh shit [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): wut? [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): hwod thath appen? [H] (GT-Wavesynck): 1 tele left [H] (GT-Wavesynck): idk [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): shouldnt someone be reparing [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): im reparing these things up here [H] (GT-Wavesynck): um yes. [H] (GT-Wavesynck): who? Ishq.^Pk disconnected [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): i cant do both [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): tunig back and forth [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): running* [A] A|^WhiteTech-GT: ok think i got it [H] (Cucarachakiller): np [H] (HopaHopa): node [H] Iabz&: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 HIT KILL [H] (THX-1138): sry [H] dretch: telenode [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): i gotta keep makin sure they cant use the elevators admintest: VeVo is a level 1 admin (Server Regular) [A] VeVo: what can a levl 2 admin do? [H] (HopaHopa): noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodeee [A] xoravsA-GTHelper: nothing [S] superpie: nothing useful [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): its SD [H] (HopaHopa): move from node [A] VeVo: what CAN it do? [H] GT-Wavesynck: gtfo [S] superpie: putteam [A] MidnightStar: munch carpet [H] GT-Wavesynck: can do [A] VeVo: nly puttteam? [A] VeVo: when can u do allready? [H] (GT-Wavesynck): sorry [A] MidnightStar: suck c**K [H] THX-1138: lvl 2 makes you feel special [A] xoravsA-GTHelper: yeah [A] xoravsA-GTHelper: lvl 2 is for pros [A] VeVo: iw anan feel speical!!! [A] xoravsA-GTHelper: anthing above for noobs admintest: GPF is a level 2 admin (Team Manager) admintest: xoravsA-GTHelper is a level 2 admin (Team Manager) [A] GPF: lol [A] VeVo: wehn cna i eb levl 2 ]\admin admintest adminhelp ]\admintest admintest: GT-Wavesynck is a level 1 admin (Server Regular) [S] superpie: never [A] Noes[YURP]: you're all so fascinated by penisses [A] xoravsA-GTHelper: when you learn to spell admintest: JMT is a level 2 admin (Team Manager) [H] THX-1138: special pros [A] Noes[YURP]: I think you're missing something in life [H] Cr-:-sS'-: !register [A] VeVo: ok i know how to spell? [H] Cr-:-sS'-: aww [A] VeVo: !register [A] A|^WhiteTech-GT: .admintest [A] A|^WhiteTech-GT: lol admintest: A|^WhiteTech-GT is a level 0 admin (Unknown Player) [H] UnnamedPlayer: fu [A] A|^WhiteTech-GT: Im an Unknown player :D [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): watch [b]mute: VeVo has been muted by superpie[/b] [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): that luci [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): please [H] (UnnamedPlayer): 1 spawn? idiots [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): these teslas keep them from usin the elevator [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): annnd a rant killed it [H] (HopaHopa): node [H] (Cr-:-sS'-): ... ]\condump pie.txt Dumped console text to pie.txt.I'm quite interested for what he has been muted. He didn't even beg for that level2, if that's the case.
If there's anything I don't understand, sorry. But in it's current look it's exactly abuse.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: janev on October 15, 2010, 10:43:43 pm: Quote from: Tremulant on October 15, 2010, 10:35:07 pm
Janev! Hey hot-tits, how's tricks?

Good good, came back to the roots to get a dose of internet drama before I go out and commit heinous violence against my fellow man. How are you these days? Still fighting the good fight to educate the blithering idiots of the interwebs?
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: your face on October 16, 2010, 09:35:28 pm: Quote from: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 09:38:31 pm
i actually am lol. i live on the border between north and south carolina. im very conservative and a methodist christian

~~Aelita~~ Honest Babe i have no idea what you're saying. If you're not going to contribute then stop posting.

also stop embarrassing us conservative Christians with your stupidity :P >:( :police:
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: mooseberry on October 16, 2010, 10:09:44 pm: Quote from: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 12:11:36 pm
coincidentally im actually a very conservative chrsitian

http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/capital.asp (http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/capital.asp)
Title: /thread (ps stfu about religion maturity etc, this thread is excessively lame)
Post by: Aelita on October 17, 2010, 01:49:36 am: Fuck you kid, you're a dick.

But Don Whitehorse..!

FUCK YOU KID, YOU'RE A FAGGOT
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Tremulant on October 17, 2010, 02:08:10 am: Quote from: mooseberry on October 16, 2010, 10:09:44 pm
Quote from: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 12:11:36 pm
coincidentally im actually a very conservative chrsitian

http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/capital.asp (http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/capital.asp)
Oooooh, you totally owned him there, good work....

Janev, fast approaching the conclusion that this lot are a lost cause, i'm afraid.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: mooseberry on October 17, 2010, 02:19:51 am: Quote from: Tremulant on October 17, 2010, 02:08:10 am
Quote from: mooseberry on October 16, 2010, 10:09:44 pm
Quote from: Honest Abe on October 15, 2010, 12:11:36 pm
coincidentally im actually a very conservative chrsitian

http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/capital.asp (http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/capital.asp)
Oooooh, you totally owned him there, good work....

I'm not "owning" anybody, I'm trying to help these forums not look like the communal doodle pad for a group of fourth graders.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Superpie on October 17, 2010, 02:45:21 am: (http://imgur.com/XZiwm.png)
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Tremulant on October 17, 2010, 11:45:03 am: If that's really the case then you've got a lot more to worry about than simply abe's inability to capitalise words.