Admin abuse

[Honest Abe]

As we all know, this game is still growing and sure to be a hit. Admins are given powers to make the game more enjoyable for other players, especially players that are out of line by team/base killing, severe insults to others, etc. Admin abusers are an easy way to make people hate the game and draw them away. Sadly, we are dealing with a lvl 4 admin who is greatly abusing his power. This admin has been previously complained about on the forums and by players during the game. This admins name is Superpie, and he should no longer have admin. His idea of having admin isnt to keep the game together-just to make his own game more enjoyable. From my experience it includes canceling level votes that were going yes, kicking players who he doesnt like, and more. My experience, it started with him canceling some votes and me, along with others calling him on abuse. Later i tried to explain to him why what he did was wrong and tried to give him tips on how to be a better admin-he didnt listen. instead, he kicked me for 20 minutes. the next day he brought the argument up again and ended up solving the argument by kicking me. Both times i asked him for a reason and his responses were "you know why" and "you must have a loss of memory." he wouldnt give a reason and just uses his power for his own good-not for the good of the game. Let us not forget, he's only 12 years old, way too immature to have lvl 4 power. im almost 19 and as an adult i definitely see this as wrong. superpie needs to be stopped before things get truly out of hand. In fact, i expect to be banned by him him for making this post. thanks for reading and i hope you will help me make this game better for everyone

[Tremulant]

Abe, i've kicked you myself for refusing to shut up and unmuting yourself, you must understand that constant postmortem of every admin action taken simply isn't productive.

This admins name is Superpie, and he should no longer have admin.

maybe just 'this admin's name is superpie and i'm concerned about his misconduct' would have been a better choice of words.

Later i tried to explain to him why what he did was wrong and tried to give him tips on how to be a better admin

Eeek! Please, abe, do be careful when you're out at the pub and someone does or says something you don't approve of, i'd hate to hear that you'd been knifed.

i expect to be banned by him him for making this post

Do you really? really? that would be extremely unreasonable and not the kind of thing i'd expect from anyone.

[Honest Abe]

tremulant you gave a reason for kicking me because i complained-but dont get off topic. this post is not about me its about whether superpie should be trusted with admin. the reason i expect to be banned is because he abuses his admin. you know i did try to tell him how to be a better admin but he kicked me-thats what made me go on about this. if he had been the bigger man and accepted the fact that numerous people called him on abuse, then none of this wouldve happened. the second day after i became an admin i cancelled a change map vote because the "no" was a lot higher than the "yes." another admin told me that what i did was wrong because it was so early in the game. what did i do? i accepted the fact that i made a mistake and made it a learning experienced-like a mature person would do. he obviously is too immature to admit he made a mistake (again hes 12) and if you cant be the bigger man in that situation then you shouldnt have admin. us admins have to listen to the other players and help them, not just help ourselves like superpie does. if we could compromise on him having lvl2 until he has proven himself worthy of a higher level, then things will turn for the better.

[Tremulant]

you know i did try to tell him how to be a better admin but he kicked me-thats what made me go on about this. if he had been the bigger man and accepted the fact that numerous people called him on abuse, then none of this wouldve happened. 

What would have happened had those people making accusations of abuse decided to be the bigger men themselves? Have there been some long term bans that i'm not aware of, you know something worth making a fuss about?
Note that i'm not defending superpie here, if you have evidence for serious abuse then do present it, just trying to explain to you that maybe you haven't dealt with this in the most mature way possible.

[NotYarou]

superpie is a great admin

[ziplocpeople]

Observation: Lots of people are unhappy with superpie having admin, and accuse him of misconduct.
Observation: A large chunk of these complaints come from GT members such as myself. -- I only point this out, because many of the people who detract from the issue at hand seem to have personal issues with GT.

This could mean that there's a massive GT conspiracy to defame superpie. It could also mean that superpie has something against GT members. Or (more likely, in my opinion) the number of complaints from GT members correlates with the size of GT.

Observation: Whenever somebody has a complaint about superpie, they themselves often get attacked by pie's supporters.
Does this mean that his defenders can't make a proper defense for him? That they need to resort to defaming those who criticize him due to lack of a better argument?

Maybe, no way to know for sure. Hell, I could be completely misinterpreting what others have said, and their intentions.

Observation: These forum rules seem to be ignored when admins in general are criticized:
 

3.) Healthy debates in topics are allowed. Flaming to the point of insult-trading is NOT okay.
4.) No spamming or advertising (includes useless multi-posts and bumps.) (This one is for you, NotYarou.)
  4b.) No thread hijacking.
5.) Stay fairly on topic.
6.) Criticism must be constructive.
  6b.) Do NOT harass other members.
  6c.) Do NOT troll!

Observation: Those criticizing superpie may not have done so in the most mature way possible (myself included.)

My personal analysis: I feel that the people who are accusing superpie are being attacked unnecessarily, make another topic about them if it really means that much to you. I also feel that, while provoked, superpie often times uses excessive/unnecessary punishment- Which is against server rules. Admin abuse can often times be a very emotional topic, which can make posts seem melodramatic, immature, etc.

Common sense: We should focus on the person who is being accused, more than the poster (unless it's completely relevant to the issue at hand.)

Note: Nobody is a perfect admin (or person for that matter,) this is why we need other admins to point out the folly in another admins actions wherever necessary-- At the same time, it's a completely different matter when an admin refuses to take any constructive criticism, or to put it more bluntly, is a bad admin.

Another note, common sense: When you criticize the poster for irrelevant matters, it detracts from the topic. It goes off topic (possible violation of forum rules 4b and 5.) We should focus on the alleged abuser, not the concerned individual posting about him.

One last note: This thread hasn't degraded (too far) as of yet, please try to keep it that way. (Also, I realize that I may have been somewhat redundant, but it's just to get my point across.)

~Medi

[Honest Abe]

first, yarou, back up your statement. tremulant, the people who called superpie on abuse-when he was abusing i might add-were trying to make him recognize his mistake. what way is there to deal with this if he refuses to acknowledge that he is abusing and just keeps doing it? there have already been complaints on the forum before about his abuse. hes obsessed with power and no one is taking action so he keeps getting worse and worse. i dont know how old you are tremulant, but in my mind, a 12 year old should not be trusted with control over everyone.

well said medi, first off i want to point out the quote from the forum rules. i was giving superpie CONSTRUCTIVE criticism for being a better admin and he kicked me for it-so he is an abuser. i was not harassing him-hes too young to tell the difference. i also want to address the belief of a GT conspiracy. i didnt know superpie hated GT until i saw him truly abuse. when you look at it, many people hate GTs, including many admins, but were not trying to defame all of them. i think the massive complaints do correlate to the fact that GT is very large. also, many people not in GT hate having superpie as an admin

what you said about constructive criticism is absolutely correct about refusing to take it is one sign of a bad admin. i myself am a design major so im used to dealing with constructive criticism and using it to my advantage. superpie is too young to handle it.

as you said, many people are against him having admin and the number is growing. no admin is perfect, including me, but i try my best and im only going to get better. superpie on the other hand, is getting worse.

tremulant i know youre friends with superpie but you have to realize that hes a straight up abusing admin and this game doesnt have room for abusers. medi once again, well said

[Aelita]

superpie is a great admin

yarou for admin 2010 BEST CANTIDATE

[ziplocpeople]

superpie is a great admin

yarou for admin 2010 BEST CANTIDATE

4.) No spamming or advertising (includes useless multi-posts and bumps.)
5.) Stay fairly on topic.
  6c.) Do NOT troll!

[Aelita]

Medistation: Fuck you. Fuck your holier-than-thou attitude. Stop fucking pseudo-modding these forums and those servers. This is not your territory. You're acting all high and mighty, but you're nothing but an insignificant worm with the rest of us.


tl;dr get off your high horse and stfu until you're actually a moderator.

[Honest Abe]

Aelita stop going off-topic this post is a serious one about an admin who is severely abusing his power. if youre mad at medi then take it somewhere else. just look at superpies view on adminship-its terrible. the way he puts his views makes him a dictator

[Tremulant]

Ah, Medi taking the highground and quoting spacecorps directives, classic stuff.
Start building a body of evidence that demonstrated superpie has been _severely_ abusing his authority, that's all this thread needs to contain, none of the high and mighty better admining masterclass bollocks, just prove the accusations, simple.

[Honest Abe]

tremulant. you were literally there when he refused to take advice and kicked me instead. i think thats the best proof you can get. also look at superpies post on his views-everyone wants his admin gone, so forget written proof, lets be a democracy here-no one wants him with admin

[Tremulant]

tremulant. you were literally there when he refused to take advice and kicked me instead. i think thats the best proof you can get. also look at superpies post on his views-everyone wants his admin gone, so forget written proof, lets be a democracy here-no one wants him with admin

Absolutely, FUCK EVIDENCE, EVERYONE GRAB A PITCHFORK!!!!!!!1!!!ONE

[Lava_Croft]

The problem with Superpie is not that he is abusive, because as one can see in this thread, Medistation is just as abusive. The problem is that Superpie is abusive against the 'wrong' people, namely Medistation and his friends. You are only supposed to abuse non-vocal people who will most likely not visit these forums or IRC to complain about it.

[Honest Abe]

lava. that is a terrible thing to say. youre not supposed to be abusive to anyone. superpie obviously finds it fun to abuse adminship which is why he should be demoted

[Superpie]

Summary of my point of view: I canceled a vote that was going 3-yes 9-no, and then he called it again and i canceled it because it was a repeat. Abe said ABUSE or something likely misspelled along those lines. I took it as kidding, because someone always seems to say that after anyone does anything. Then a few hours later he starts laying into me about it, not even citing what it was, just that it was abuse. He just won't shut up, even after I explained myself he just kept asking why I did it. So I told him, Abe, shut the fuck up or I will skip right past the mute and kick you. So I ended up kicking him as expected, knowing full well that he's not someone capable of shutting up. He comes back bitching some more, and after quite a bit of leniency for that I end up having to kick him again. A few lines after he came back, he finally shut up for about ten minutes before bringing it up again. Then I let him debate with Tremulant and Silverfox while silently watching him fail to realize what he was doing wrong.

[David]

If you want to post a complaint, post some evidence & details, otherwise this is just a rant.  

Every time an admin does anything people accuse them of abuse, which puts the onus on the accuser a lot more than it should be.

If you want to improve the quality of admining and accountability, tackling the bogus accusations is probably the best way to do it.


Also, IMO, chatting in-game about non-game stuff is distracting and prevents people from coordinating properly.  IMO it should be kicked / muted for regardless of topic.

[A Spork]

Also, IMO, chatting in-game about non-game stuff is distracting and prevents people from coordinating properly.  IMO it should be kicked / muted for regardless of topic.

Are you for serious?!?!?!?

People chat ingame, that's what the chat button is for, teamchat is mainly for coordination, yes, but saying people can't just chat while they're playing is just plain insane bro.

[UniqPhoeniX]

Obviously no-one relevant cares that he is abusing. Which makes these posts irrelevant. But yes, you should post SOME evidence, even if in the other thread superpie demonstrated his arrogance personally. And here too actually, saying he went straight past mute to kick when mute (or even /ignore <name>, but he can't read that ) would have sufficed.

EDIT: all you damn trolls gtfo. This forum needs some moderators. And no, the current so called mods don't count.

[David]

Also, IMO, chatting in-game about non-game stuff is distracting and prevents people from coordinating properly.  IMO it should be kicked / muted for regardless of topic.

Are you for serious?!?!?!?

People chat ingame, that's what the chat button is for, teamchat is mainly for coordination, yes, but saying people can't just chat while they're playing is just plain insane bro.

You can chat, but if all your doing is filling the chat window with crap that's getting in the way of the people who are using it for what it was designed for, then I'd do something.  The server is there so people can play, if you're not playing and are getting in the way of people who are, then that's pretty much the exact description of when an admin should act.

And for the record, I'm not even sure if I have admin any more, I haven't done anything for ages.

[Meisseli]

What in earth does GT have against this guy?

Even I think I have kicked and muted more GTs than him.

If someone is pestering me, yes, I might even mute the player. ABUSE!

superpie are you the reincarnation of hitler or something?

[c4]

Even I think I have kicked and muted more GTs than him.

Maybe that's because there are 70+ GT's and there is only 1 superpie (I hope)

[your face]

...even if in the other thread superpie demonstrated his arrogance personally.

Takes one to know one, doesn't it?   

[superspirality]

Even I think I have kicked and muted more GTs than him.

Maybe that's because there are 70+ GT's and there is only 1 superpie (I hope)

Umm ok...wait, what. Meisseli has a twin then?

[Honest Abe]

ok back on topic to what superpie said and how it was completely wrong. first off, the vote was not 3 to 9 it was 5 to 4. also, even if a vote is going no, you still shouldnt cancel it-an admin told me that when i first got lvl3. Also, youre too young to realize the difference between bitching and giving constructive criticism. also, the next day youre the one who brought it back up, not me. the reason i didnt shut up is because youre too immature to acknowledge that you made a mistake, you just want to solve YOUR problems by kicking, which is abuse. look at all the people who think youre abusive. face facts, youre too young and too immature to be trusted with that sort of power-so know what youre talking about when you try to attack me.

[Undeference]

His idea of having admin isnt to keep the game together-just to make his own game more enjoyable.

I'm pretty sure superpie doesn't play, so that supposition is highly unlikely.

If you want to post a complaint, post some evidence & details, otherwise this is just a rant. 

In general, this.

superpie are you the reincarnation of hitler or something?

wtg

ok back on topic to what superpie said and how it was completely wrong.

The reason most complaints of admin abuse are ignored is because people who complain tend to have a specific, generally relatively minor "infraction" that they focus on. If you want anything to be done, you should be trying to show that superpie's actions are more harmful than beneficial.

first off, the vote was not 3 to 9 it was 5 to 4. also, even if a vote is going no, you still shouldnt cancel it-an admin told me that when i first got lvl3.

That really depends on the vote type and the situation surrounding the vote. But canceling a vote, even a legitimate vote, is not particularly abusive (except to the vote, but it is not complaining, is it?).

Also, youre too young…youre too immature…youre too young and too immature to be trusted with that sort of power

You focus a lot on age and seem to believe being (presumably) older means you are more mature, but this thread does not really support that. Case in point:

the reason i didnt shut up is because youre too immature

I'm pretty sure this thread isn't going anywhere, but I'm feeling particularly abusive right now, so I'm not going to lock it. Oh the horror!

[your face]

it's not locked

[c4]

I'm not going to lock it.

Also, ahe, don't talk about abuse until you stop threatening to ban me for calling your shitty base "shitty"

Age has nothing to do with maturity.  Yes, older people tend to be more mature, but it's not always the case.  You are a good example.  Obviously, superpie still has admin for a reason, and whether it's unbeknownced to you or not, you need to back up your statements with proof.  If he's really pissing you and your clam off so much, look towards yourself first and figure out if you or your entire clam does something that can be looked on badly.

Finally, Undeference wins.  That is all.

[Tremulant]

I'm pretty sure this thread isn't going anywhere, but I'm feeling particularly abusive right now, so I'm not going to lock it. Oh the horror!