Tremulous Forum
General => Announcements => Topic started by: Ingar on November 22, 2010, 04:31:23 pm
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Some of you had already noticed it on the Tremulous main page: recently
my status got promoted from Community Moderator to Tremulous Dev. I'd like
to thank everyone for their support, and the Dev Team for placing their trust in me.
Although most of you might know me as a mapper or from the radiant packages,
I have been appointed the task to administer the forums. Expect some reorganization:
some boards will move around, some boards might get merged. The idea is to maximize
the forum pleasure for everyone: casual visitors, regular members and moderators alike.
Obligatory thought-provoking SCIFI quote:
If the universe puts a mystery in front of us as a gift, then politeness requires that we at least try and solve it.
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I vote for Ingar! 8)
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'Grats Ingar! I think we're in good hands. That being said, though... You say that the goal is to "maximize the forum pleasure" for us (mods, regulars, and casuals). Mods are doing the reorganizing. Are mods going to have the only says in how it's reorganized?
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Well that's better than letting everyone and their dog try to reorganize these forums xD. For Ingar!
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Are mods going to have the only says in how it's reorganized?
Well that's better than letting everyone and their dog try to reorganize these forums.
Mods have the final word on how it is organized, you are free to post suggestions
in this thread, but it won't be a democracy where there will be polls on the best ideas.
The reason is simple: to organize something, you need a vision. Suggestions and ideas are
usually limited to details, which is good, but the forum needs to be looked at as a whole,
as the sum of its boards.
What I have in mind so far
Basicly, there are too many boards to manage. I'd like to reduce the number of boards
by merging some lesser frequently-used ones, and regroup things so the most important
stuff appears at the top when you open the forum's main page.
Things I'm pretty sure about
-> reduce the number of mapping related boards to two (instead of three)
-> create a single 'Tremulous media' section with mapping. modeling and other media
-> merge the boards in 'other Tremulous media'
-> the 'Other Language' boards will probably dissapear
-> bring order to the 'Mods' section, most likely by moving the 'Mod Release Center' subboards
one level up, and not limiting the discussion to releases.
We'd end up with a 'Tremulous Media' section containing 'Mapping, Map Releases, Modeling and Other Tremulous Media', and a section 'Mods' containing the modding boards.
The big puzzle are the 'General' and 'Community' sections: I'm not sure yet how the handle them,
but reorganizing the other sections should help to improve 'the big picture'.
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I really don't agree with mixing sounds, lore, models and artwork... maybe artwork and models, but not the others. Yes, they are not as used as other boards, but they are totally different things.
About 2 mapping boards: I'd recommend keeping help section separate, with the other 1 containing WIP, competitions, released maps, etc.
If the map list was kept up to date & improved, it would be easier to find finished maps (tho something like this (http://paradox.techquirks.net/index.php) would do the job much better imo (maybe something similar for clans?), since forums are not ideal for this).
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I really don't agree with mixing sounds, lore, models and artwork... maybe artwork and models, but not the others. Yes, they are not as used as other boards, but they are totally different things.
About 2 mapping boards: I'd recommend keeping help section separate, with the other 1 containing WIP, competitions, released maps, etc.
I was planning on merging 'Map Help Center' and 'Other Mapping related material'. The 'other' stuff is basicly a contest
every now and then, and the WIP thread. I'd keep 'modeling' seperate from 'other Media' for technical reasons.
I expected some resistance to merging the 'other media', but from the Tremulous-as-a-game-community
point of view, it seems the right thing to do.
I'd keep 'Map Releases' seperate for a simple reason: released maps are of interest to anyone who plays tremulous,
'Mapping Related/Questions..' and anything else is if interest to mappers only. (moving the WIP thread only is not much of problem)
If the map list was kept up to date & improved, it would be easier to find finished maps (tho something like this (http://paradox.techquirks.net/index.php) would do the job much better imo (maybe something similar for clans?), since forums are not ideal for this).
A map repo is a beyond the scope of the forum itself, but if someone feels like updating the list of all maps
I will immediatly replace the old list. I can't seem to attach the original post as txt file, so I'll have to look into that :)
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Finished maps are easy to find from map list thread if needed. However, mapping help related threads can't easily be put into a comprehensive list (and we don't need even more topics asking the same exact questions), and it's by far the most posted in of the 3 mapping related boards. Also, this way someone could post a WIP thread, and update it once they release, instead of adding a new thread in another board.
In the Mods section IMO the best way would be to have: HUDs; Gameplay Changing; Non-Gameplay Changing; Tools, Utilities etc, and split the threads in ideas / help to those 4.
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foreign language board (a board for everything not english)?
Gratz ingar!
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foreign language board (a board for everything not english)?
Gratz ingar!
Tower of Babel effect.
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foreign language board (a board for everything not english)?
Gratz ingar!
I don't think this will do anything to change the fact that there hasn't been a post in either section since July of this year. There may be a bit more content from the merge, but that doesn't change the fact that nobody uses them.
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It would be nice with a quality controlled custom maps board where only moderators could create topics about maps meeting a certain criteria.
For example the map should be:
- playable
- meant for normal tremulous
- not extremely buggy
- no missing textures
- not overly unbalanced for one team
- no "gimmick map"
All in all it should be maps that are actually good.
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Thats actually a pretty good idea...
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Oh hi there:
http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=11574.0
>.>
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I'm moving stuff around. Bear with me... 8)
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Np
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I'm moving stuff around. Bear with me... 8)
Looks good, keep up the reorganizing!
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Like it , keep it up :)
The more formal we get (to a point) the more people we can attract and in the end the better for Trem.
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Hell yeah! Pink grangers are extremely formal! Fix them!
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Heh, only 2 people use that theme :)
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Lol, was bit "whattaaa hell?" at first, but this seems more organized when inspecting closer.
Good job. ;D
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Heh, only 2 people use that theme :)
Maybe more would if it was better. ;)
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something like this would be neat, but perhaps too much:
(http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/9767/forumsbt.jpg) (http://img571.imageshack.us/i/forumsbt.jpg/)
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Nice. I like how all the media posts are community posts ;)
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lol, printscrn, cropping, and moving were getting annoying so i just copied it lol.
you could even expand the idea to the general category, but obviously this would be alot of work, not sure if ingar wants to go through all of the frustration :/.
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yes please waste your time with reorganizing the forum and don't release tremulous.
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Yes, please waste your time posting on the forum and don't contribute to Tremulous.
Different people have different wants/skills and are free to act on/using those as they see fit.
I'm getting tired of these little brats who, while not contributing at all to the release, feel they're justified in complaining that others aren't contributing all the time.
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free to act on/using those as they see fit.
contradicting with yourself. priceless
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Just wow. It was clear my first sentence was a sarcastic parody of yours. But well done for picking up on that! (oh god, please let him pick up on this...)
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Just wow. It was clear my first sentence was a sarcastic parody of yours. But well done for picking up on that! (oh god, please let him pick up on this...)
nope. quote is from the second sentence and was a reference to the third. please stop being pretentious
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I'm allowed to complain about how inconsiderate you (and others) are being. A lot of people are putting a lot of work into the release. So yes, I'm being pretentious, but you're being a jerk. :)
Note: This is my last post on the topic since we are badly derailing a thread.
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I wanted to point out how pointless(for an official dev team member) to waste his/her time on reorganizing the forum(which is a tedious job), while there is a new release to be completed. They always prioritized forum and website over the game itself which, I believe, led to delays in the game development. But sorry I shouldn't have cared.
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Fun fact: Different people do different jobs!
You don't know anything about tremulous development, and I'd bet you don't know anything about game or open source development at all.
So do fell free to tell volunteers - who give their time freely - that their contributions are useless, I'm sure the moral boost will do wonders for getting 1.2 released.
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Fun fact: Different people do different jobs!
You don't know anything about tremulous development, and I'd bet you don't know anything about game or open source development at all.
So do fell free to tell volunteers - who give their time freely - that their contributions are useless, I'm sure the moral boost will do wonders for getting 1.2 released.
actually I do. Different people do different jobs. no! it causes chaos. each member have multiple tasks. and some of those overlap at some point. Each member knows what others are doing.
This is a different type of multitasking for opensource games. Don't take it wrong
A coder can also act as a content creator. An artist can help coding/scripting
Open source game development is about multitasking, you give higher priority to more important tasks. Tremulous never got it right.
If the sole purpose of ingar in this project is regulating the forum then there is no problem
anyway you can continue to make bold claims and pretend you know all about (open source)game dev.
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I said different people do different jobs, I didn't say they don't communicate and work together.
And if you think a coder can just grab a copy of blender a produce quality work, or a artist can just start coding in C, then you really haven't a clue.
If I turned up in your house and started rearranging the furniture, you'd get pissed at me. You've not even been here a day and don't have a clue how things work or what's left to be done. Basically you're just an arrogant brat who thinks he's god, or a troll. Either way FOAD.
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I said different people do different jobs, I didn't say they don't communicate and work together.
And if you think a coder can just grab a copy of blender a produce quality work, or a artist can just start coding in C, then you really haven't a clue.
If I turned up in your house and started rearranging the furniture, you'd get pissed at me. You've not even been here a day and don't have a clue how things work or what's left to be done. Basically you're just an arrogant brat who thinks he's god, or a troll. Either way FOAD.
I was talking specifically about open source development. and yes a programmer can model and create textures... don't confuse it with commercial game development where coder just codes. This approach won't work with open source games. And an artist... even he can't code in C instantly he can do some basic scripting/modifications.
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prent: GTFO troll. You obviously know absolutely nothing about Tremulous development nor community. Nor are you contributing in any way.
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On Topic - Congratz on the Promotion to forum God... lol
As far as prent - I have seen what the dev structure looks like (at least in our server group) and there is a fairly large breakdown in the structure -
1. Coders
2. Mappers
3. Artists
4. Sometimes Scripters have to be used seperately
5. Testers I say this because sometimes that is just necessary to make sure it works before releasing the finished product - Who likes bugs? No one does so they get certain people to test it.
6. Any other Dev component insert here....
So prent, you act as if you are THE expert on open source games.... What projects have YOU worked for and how successful were they? Specific names, and proof of contribution required to convince The Luciman and 99% of the threm.net forums, which, while they are a very tough group to a)convince and b)appease they are not complete idiots that you make them out to be. They may be punks at times, but they are part of the Trem community... So be fair - They are not retards, or idiots, just sometimes rather narrow minded, as I can be as well ;)
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The forum and the website are very important, as they represent Tremulous' face towards the world.
Letting the forum linger and rot until after the 1.2 release would have resulted in an unsurmountable cleanup task.
From the reactions I received, I'd say it has been far from useless.
Also, I actually prefer C++ over vanilla C, besides the occasional patch, I don't feel any particular incentive to
get intimatly acquainted with the tremulous code base.
@prent:
I don't appreciate you trolling my threads forum.
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The forum and the website are very important, as they represent Tremulous' face towards the world.
Letting the forum linger and rot until after the 1.2 release would have resulted in an unsurmountable cleanup task.
I couldnt agree more, and while I am skeptical of 1.2, I hate to see the amount of trem sites and forums etc that are gone. There used to be such a vibrant community and they just started to crumble.
Keeping the ENTIRE Trem structure together is vital to its survival... I know of 3 major Tremulous Dedicated forums...
1. Trem.net
2. Xserverx.com
3. WTF Server group
I spend more time on one versus the other two, (Its obvious which one) but the sad fact is most other servers and groups etc have sparse if any community building skills... Keep the forum up and going strong... We must keep the community alive, for with out it, Trem dies.
Idea Alert - A forum theme change, while upsetting to the old timers and trollz would be a refreshing change to these forums... The are... Always the same.... Just an Idea....
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Idea Alert - A forum theme change, while upsetting to the old timers and trollz would be a refreshing change to these forums... The are... Always the same.... Just an Idea....
True, but who says everyone has to use it? There could be an option on the profile page to use the classic theme. Or better yet, multiple themes, and everyone can pick the one they like best (a lot of forums work like this).
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True, but who says everyone has to use it? There could be an option on the profile page to use the classic theme. Or better yet, multiple themes, and everyone can pick the one they like best (a lot of forums work like this).
Hence another good Idea... That is perfect to use that solution... Same thing as I was suggesting just allows those who want to use whatever they want to make the forums look better... Thanks for that, I forgot about multiple themes LOL
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1) holy crap I agree with lucifer :o
2) there's multiple themes available you know already.
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Thanks Spork, I didnt know about the different themes... Most arent much of a change but they look better ;)
And you agree with me.... That IS A SCARY THOUGHT LOL ;D
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I wanted to point out how pointless(for an official dev team member) to waste his/her time on reorganizing the forum(which is a tedious job), while there is a new release to be completed. They always prioritized forum and website over the game itself which, I believe, led to delays in the game development. But sorry I shouldn't have cared.
lol ur one of thos e idiot guise rnt yu?! ???
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I wanted to point out how pointless(for an official dev team member) to waste his/her time on reorganizing the forum(which is a tedious job), while there is a new release to be completed. They always prioritized forum and website over the game itself which, I believe, led to delays in the game development. But sorry I shouldn't have cared.
lol ur one of thos e idiot guise rnt yu?! ???
Awww... Be nice, he might call his mom into the basement and cry to her and she will make these random posts all over the place saying not to make fun of her wonderful 20 year old son.... LOL
Besides, I am still waiting on him to prove he has done ANYTHING... You think he will ever show anything?
(WOW this thread is drifting away into the Spammzor Galaxy.... O'course, with trollz like prent, its not hard.... lmao)
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wow I was looking for some good discussion and you turned this into trollfest
@lucifer666s8n you are talking about commercial game development which has those jobs assigned to professional paid individuals. This approach makes no sense in open source game development. It just makes your game die faster than you expect.
Also I don't need to prove anything(I don't want to tell the name of the project but I have some experience with game development fyi). If you think I am wrong you are free to prove me wrong. Until then
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wow I was looking for some good discussion and you turned this into trollfest
@lucifer666s8n you are talking about commercial game development which has those jobs assigned to professional paid individuals. This approach makes no sense in open source game development. It just makes your game die faster than you expect.
Also I don't need to prove anything(I don't want to tell the name of the project but I have some experience with game development fyi). If you think I am wrong you are free to prove me wrong. Until then
He's right, he is a game developer. And I'm a wealthy Nigerian prince. Prove me wrong.
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And I'm a wealthy Nigerian prince. Prove me wrong.
Proofpic or didn't happen!11
(yup, I know, the /b/tard style of proving someone wrong, works nevertheless :> )
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I said different people do different jobs, I didn't say they don't communicate and work together.
And if you think a coder can just grab a copy of blender a produce quality work, or a artist can just start coding in C, then you really haven't a clue.
If I turned up in your house and started rearranging the furniture, you'd get pissed at me. You've not even been here a day and don't have a clue how things work or what's left to be done. Basically you're just an arrogant brat who thinks he's god, or a troll. Either way FOAD.
Yep being the "JACK OF ALL TRADES" can happen but you need to be really good or more than likely will become only mediocre at everything, most people specialize eventually.
I'm into Blender and am trying to branch out into coding,
but I have a strange feeling I will only be good at a few things not every genera.