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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nux on July 11, 2007, 07:16:21 pm
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Now before you say "OMGZ! ANOTHER AIMBOT THREAD?!" I feel this deserves a thread of it's own because it's about a guide to identifying them. Spectators and admins seem to be held as the best counter-measures for aimbotters, but admins aren't always around, or might not have a proper idea of what an aimbot looks like.
What I wanted to do is give some hints and tips for telling whether they're using an aimbot or not, so that others may identify them rather than pressuming they're just very good. Also, you can add to my guide by submitting the ways in which you find them.
Too often do I find myself the only one aware that some guy is aimbotting. The first tip I can give is:
Watch for inconsistency (things that don't make sense in their context). If you're speccing some guy and half the time he acts like a noob moving his mouse very slowly then suddenly his aim snaps onto some target, he's very likely using an aimbot. If he notices you speccing and suddenly he's no longer scoring the huge amount of kills he was before, then he's probably turned it off. These people are usually morons though and will easily slip up, giving you no doubt about his aimbot-usage.
People who use aimbots get so used to it, that you might see them shooting forward without moving the mouse for no particular reason. This is because they are expecting the aim to move toward their target, but their target hasn't arrived yet.
Another tell-tale sign is seeing the aim snap to targets that are already dead. This can panic them as they may be in mid-fight and can't stop the bot aiming at the floor. This is because the aimbot still registers that corpse as 'in use' while the dead players is viewing his death before respawning. Non-aimbotters don't have this trouble.
Even people who are very good at aiming miss shots. This just because they don't know exactly where the alien is going to go all the time. If you see the aim snaps firmly to a target without missing one shot- it's very likely he's botting.
Sometimes it's hard to see how fast their view changes and such, when you're not already spectating them. For this I can only suggest you be curious about their actions. If they behave strangely, or aren't wearing a combination of equipment that you'd expect a person scoring that highly wear- be suspicious. For example, I was just now playing human where I saw something strange. The guy who was on the top of the scoring list was going out with a lasgun and a battlesuit. This is suspicious because the dretches that he was picking off would only cause him trouble if he didn't know how to dodge and position himself well. An experienced player would take lasgun + light armour + helmet + Battery pack to ensure that he has plenty of ammo with which to defend himself. This guy on the other hand just wanted to act as a turret so he opted for more armour. Maybe he just hadn't played the game long enough to know this. If this is so, all the more reason to be suspicious of his high-score.
Generally, if a person is scoring well, that doesn't make him an aimbot. If he's scoring incredibly well, that gives you reason to be suspicious. That's when you spectate him to make sure. Don't accuse him straight off, without spectating first. If he turns out not to be an aimbotter, you'll just end up inflating his ego. =)
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Well, I don't aimbot, and i love the combination of a las gun and battle suit. I think it is a great combination because it does give you extra protection, plus the las gun has a very long range and is helpful when you have a dragon or tyrant who is trying to run away. But, I suppose an aimboter would like the combination too.
I think something to look out for is a player who loves the mass driver. That is an aimboters favorite weapon because it will kill a dretch in one shot at any range. However, the mass driver isn't a very good weapon in up close encounters with aliens. It is a weapon that is generally used for longer range encounters due to its accuracy and the fact it can zoom. An experienced player generally won't use a mass driver for close encounters since it has a slow reload time, is expensive to buy, and the truth is it is hard to hit a good dretch with it who knows how to move right. A player would normally pick a shotgun or another weapon for such encounters. If you see a player who picks a mass driver and kills dretches with every shot, especially at close range, that is a clue that he might be an aimbot.
Another clue to watch out for, is a play who doesn't seem to care about being killed when he is fully loaded with all sorts of equipment. An honest player has to work hard in order to earn his credits, so if he has good weapons, he is usually not going to go on suicide charges and risk only have a rifle from then on. An aimboter doesn't care. It was easy for him to get the credits, and with his aimbot, it will be easy for him to get more credits. So I guess another way to say it is if a player has high kills, and never seems to return to the med pad to heal because he always dies when he goes out, he might be an aimbot.
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I was expecting someone would say they use that combination but don't aimbot. I mentioned it only because that's the first thing that grabbed my attention. It was unusual and so led to further investigation. Pickin up on such a small thing allowed me to see him for what he really was after spectating him.
I'd say that MD is good for aimbotter who know when to fire. In my experience however, they'd more likely pick the lasgun because they don't want to have to time their shots and don't want long periods of time between shots while they're holding left mouse button, waiting for a dretch to come by.
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I think something to look out for is a player who loves the mass driver. That is an aimboters favorite weapon because it will kill a dretch in one shot at any range. However, the mass driver isn't a very good weapon in up close encounters with aliens. It is a weapon that is generally used for longer range encounters due to its accuracy and the fact it can zoom. An experienced player generally won't use a mass driver for close encounters since it has a slow reload time, is expensive to buy, and the truth is it is hard to hit a good dretch with it who knows how to move right. A player would normally pick a shotgun or another weapon for such encounters. If you see a player who picks a mass driver and kills dretches with every shot, especially at close range, that is a clue that he might be an aimbot.
You do not always expect to be caught in close range battle but sometimes you must. So the only really good point here is your last (underlined) sentence.
Another clue to watch out for, is a play who doesn't seem to care about being killed when he is fully loaded with all sorts of equipment. An honest player has to work hard in order to earn his credits, so if he has good weapons, he is usually not going to go on suicide charges and risk only have a rifle from then on. An aimboter doesn't care. It was easy for him to get the credits, and with his aimbot, it will be easy for him to get more credits. So I guess another way to say it is if a player has high kills, and never seems to return to the med pad to heal because he always dies when he goes out, he might be an aimbot.
High level players tend to do this as well. They bank up credits/evoes and then go on a rampage doing as much damage to the opposing team as they can. Usually the raids, even with their demise, result in enough cash to keep it up for a decent time during which heavy damage is dealt to enemy mapcontrol and bases. They do this because they know they are able to get plenty of cash when all they have is a mere larmor/helmet shotgun combo ($310).
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When good level players play in such a way that they never return to the med pad because they plan on playing it to the death, it is usually more towards then end of the game. And it is not usually at the beginning when they are carrying expensive weapons such as mass drivers and chain guns, they are usually going to want to return and get their health back before they are killed if they have a chance. Also you seem to miss understand what I was saying. Yes a shotgun is a very cheap expendable weapon, if they are going to suicide, that is the logical weapon to choose. Not a mass driver which is 350 credits along or a chain gun that is 400 credits.
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Take note of what level of mouse sensitivity they are using. If it seems to change in a drastic manner, they may have some assistance in repositioning the cursor. :wink:
Dumb aimbotters/wallhackers keep shooting their targets after it goes around the corner. Make a demo, and when you watch it, do /r_showtris 1. I don't care how good a genuine player's aim is, he isn't going to keep locked on when he can't visibly detect his target.
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One thing to look for is sometimes these players will accidentally press the DEL key, thus spamming the aimbot dl message. Instant bans for these people.
We got an unnamedplayer the other day who just kept saying n_aim 1 n_aim 2, didnt know how to use cvars. These are instant bans too
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we should say how to spot wallhacks and autofire as well. i'm too lazy to do it. maybe a good samaritan will fell like typing mor ethan me.
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we should say how to spot wallhacks and autofire as well. i'm too lazy to do it. maybe a good samaritan will fell like typing mor ethan me.
wallhacks are easy... just record a demo of them playing s1 humans and play it back with r_showtris 1.
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Hmm, I always thought the aimbotter was the idiot, not the spotter.
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Hmm, I always thought the aimbotter was the idiot, not the spotter.
considering how many good players that obviously didn't use aimbots i've seen accused of doing just that, i think calling the spotter an idiot is accurate.
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considering how many good players that obviously didn't use aimbots i've seen accused of doing just that, i think calling the spotter an idiot is accurate.
One of my many lame anecdotes: I once joined Avalanche, since the server I wanted to join was full up. Got accused 14 times in one hour of aimbotting by 4 different players. With a shotgun. Who the fuck aimbots with a shotgun, eh?
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i've been accused of botting with luci. rofl. hitscan luci FTW!
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Yup. It's easy to be accused of aimbotting when you aim alot better than some person has ever seen. This is, as I said, largely a compliment. The point of this guide is to give people a better idea of what makes an aimbotter. If they know what distinguishes good players from aimbotters then they're less likely to make that mistake.
To test your aimbot-spotting skillz, I give you a demo (http://uploaded.to/?id=wobgt9) to watch. If you think you can tell me what is suspicious in this demo, then watch my second demo (http://uploaded.to/?id=e5up97).
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I forgot who posted it the first time, but it has been repeatedly mentioned by several others: if you are sure its an aimbot, its an aimbot, if there is a slight doubt, it very likely is not an aimbot (though having watched the NT vs FU scrim, an aimbot in the hands of a skilled aimbotter can be hard to spot, but nonetheless it has been spotted).
False accusations usually are made by players that don't take the time to spec a player before making an accusation. Ingame accusations are ignorable.
Though I see the number of aimbotters increase last 2 month or so (thanks for the many threads about those), on the servers I play it was more fun than a real grief. It seems that these new leet aimbots have a autodisconnect on aimbot jokes.
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skilled aimbotter
that made me laugh
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When good level players play in such a way that they never return to the med pad because they plan on playing it to the death, it is usually more towards then end of the game. And it is not usually at the beginning when they are carrying expensive weapons such as mass drivers and chain guns, they are usually going to want to return and get their health back before they are killed if they have a chance. Also you seem to miss understand what I was saying. Yes a shotgun is a very cheap expendable weapon, if they are going to suicide, that is the logical weapon to choose. Not a mass driver which is 350 credits along or a chain gun that is 400 credits.
You misunderstood me. They generally bank up to $2000 creds. Then they go on rampages because when you don't have to save health and ammo you can go twice as far into enemy territory. In going so deep they encounter weak enemies who have retreated, forward unguarded eggs and boosters and maybe even the alien base.
All of which can provide credits for the player or a tactical disadvantage for the aliens when killed. Good players find this is worth the death.
They will also usually do this with high ammo weapons or high mobility combos such as luci+batpack, lasgun+batpack, psaw+gren+jetpack while using larmor/helmet. The bsuit just doesn't cut it for infiltrations.
They stop doing this around $310 credits because with the larmor/helmet/shotgun combo it's pretty easy to provide fire support and defense at their own base for getting your creds back up. It however is not a combination which will get you deep into enemy territory.
A good player, when in this situation, will care less about dying than about seriously weakening the enemy.
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I believe you still mis understand me. An aimboter wont just bank up credits, they will play that way throughout the entire game, and every time they leave the base they fight to the death.
Also, yes there are a lot of aimbot accusations, but remember that aimboters fervently deny that they aimbot. Did anyone see the invincis demo. A clear aimboter, yet he still posts in here and denies it.
Aimboter = Lier
That doesn't mean that people don't get falsely accused, but aimboters do deny that they aimbot.
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I am not the best player, but I have scored over a 100 kills in a game before, and I have never been accused of aimboting.
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And innocent people say they aimbot? Only people with a high reputation jokingly say that they aimbot and aimbotters who get a kick out of it.
As to cheating, I've only been accused once and that went to 'oh it's him' when I changed to my usual name.
Fact is text does not do that well in describing how an aimbot looks. Better would be to have a few demoes compressed into a youtube or better yet downloadable divx movie which has been edited with slowmo and textpopups to show people how it looks and clarify on issues.
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skilled aimbotter
that made me laugh
laughing is important when dealing with aimbotters :D
But you know what I mean. A skilled aimbotter is someone who reads Nux' tutorial about spotting aimbotters and tries to avoid all suspicious behavior except the aimbot's snapping on target feature.
Fu:Manchu in the clan war against NT was such a guy. Very difficult to spot. Luckely nonetheless spotable.
I find it a pity that those that aimbot do not talk openly about it in this forum. I would really like to know for example: how does it feel when you loose a match while using an aimbot. I would think this should be more damaging for ego than loosing against a group of skilled players in a fair fight. So to me it seems to work quite the opposite for ego boost addicted players. What does Dr. Ruth has to say about this?
In my experience in other games, and evlesoa proofs this point, is that cheaters are usually those that seem to be convinced that they are so good to be able to beat the best. When they can't, they automatically assume that any more skilled opponent must be cheating and in their eyes justifies using a cheat. These people need more real live friends to learn that there is always someone who can do something better than you. Or they should try picking up a musical instrument and learn that skill requires practice and not google.
Or are there some players that use aimbot because one time in their life they want to know how it is to pwn? Also there they fail, cause you only pwn when you win when it was really very hard to win and the odds were against you.
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A skilled aimbotter is someone who reads Nux' tutorial about spotting aimbotters and tries to avoid all suspicious behavior except the aimbot's snapping on target feature.
You raise an interesting point here. I can only hope I'm right in pressuming that the kind of people who use aimbots are also the kind of people who wouldn't bother reading in-depth discussions on forums.
I find it a pity that those that aimbot do not talk openly about it in this forum.
I'm sure there was at least one in the 'Spread of Aimbots' thread. Null he calls himself. He talked about his making of the aimbot and such.
how does it feel when you loose a match while using an aimbot.
Sadly, I don't think they feel bad enough. Though they might think "darn, this aimbot doesn't work" they aren't as likely to have played the game for as long or with as much enthusiasm as a player who developed skill playing the game alot for a long time.
What do they get out of it? I can imagine they want to be the unstoppable force without any practice. I can also imagine they have problems socially and like to take it out on people over the internet where they can't be punched in the face for it.
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Honestly I think most people that aimbot are relatively new players who get owned inside and out by skilled players for a couple weeks. This treatment discourages them from trying to improve their play at all, while simultaneously increasing their desire to instantly become like those skilled players and get a lot of kills.
In a way, an aimbot addresses both of these issues - it doesn't require any practice and it improves play (well, at least kills) significantly.
People using bots and hacks probably think the same way people using steroids in professional sports do: I deserve to be the best, other people do it too, even though I am getting some help I am still working hard, it's not that much of an advantage, anyone can do it.
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"]"This treatment discourages them from trying to improve their play at all
If they're using an aimbot then they've already chosen to cheat. If they don't admit it, then they've chosen to deceive. These people have already shown their worth to the trem-community. They've no intention to develop skill of their own.
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question: can one aimbot with the dragoon??
yesterday @ D*S Painsaw>>>, Ghostshell~ accused Yarou for aimbotting with his goon. he said aimbotting but it was probably just autoaim and snapping.
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"]"This treatment discourages them from trying to improve their play at all
If they're using an aimbot then they've already chosen to cheat. If they don't admit it, then they've chosen to deceive. These people have already shown their worth to the trem-community. They've no intention to develop skill of their own.
I was talking about the thought process leading up to botting, not after it's already started.
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I imagine that you can, though i'd think it will require more practice to do it right than using aimbot as a human where you simply press fire and go out for a stroll.
I have only seen yarou play a view times, but it is hard to imagine that he would benefit in anyway by using an aimbot. He is one of the most rapid strafe users I saw and I can imagine that aimbot is not very compatible with using strafe a lot since you keep turning in all directions (and with this I gave away one of my aimbot spotting cues :/ )
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question: can one aimbot with the dragoon??
yesterday @ D*S Painsaw>>>, Ghostshell~ accused Yarou for aimbotting with his goon. he said aimbotting but it was probably just autoaim and snapping.
Yep. I've seen it done with a mara and a dretch aswell. It's exactly the same bot.
"]I was talking about the thought process leading up to botting, not after it's already started.
If they haven't used it yet, they're not aimbotters and this 'treatment' isn't for them. I think the people who use them would already have a good idea of how much people approve of them.
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I was talking about after the aimbotter found out that to win a match teamplay counts more than killcount :D
I think people should disagree less when they are actually on the same line of thought but highlight different aspects of a matter :D
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That's very true.
You have stacked up a mighty kill-score. This however was a waste of time, because while you were busy NOT taking down their base, they managed to reach s3 and swarmed YOUR base. You have lost. =)
That said, if you are capable of racking up kills fast, your more likely to be the one killing all their spawns with some mighty s3 weapon.
Another aimbot-spotting tip occurs to me. If you don't recognise some guy who's suddenly getting very good kill-scores, you have reason to be suspicious. For the most part, players who play very well are also very well known (sorry if someone has already said this).
Has anyone watched my demos yet? Did they help?
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Since this is an open-source game in a free world, you are totally allowed to aimbot, given that the server you play on allows it.
I wonder when the first aimbot-only server launches...
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Has anyone watched my demos yet? Did they help?
Can you YouTube them?
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I personally have no experience in doing so. If someone else could kindly d/l my demos and do it for me, it would be appreciated. =)
@Lava: Yes, if a server owner permits it then there's no cause for concern as the admins word is gospel. However, in my experience most people who play tremulous want a fair fight and would happily join the lynching party against people who use such cheats.
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Actually I and some others proposed in another thread to have an aimbotters paradise server. The only question is who would be willing to set such a server up? :D
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Goons are extrem hard at humans stage 1. For both sides. Humans cant kill goon, they get 1 hit and ded. Alien dretches cant kill humans, because goon will kill those first. It will get boring very fast. Aimbotters get 100% succesful hit, so there is no chance to miss at corner. As a human, you must camp or die. Welcom to boringville.
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this forum is like a junkyard.
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this forum is like a junkyard.
Filled with a million little useful items that you don't have the ingenuity to see as more than junk? Maybe so.
The trouble with a Server called 'Aimbotters come here and play!' is I think that defies the 'point'. I don't think aimbotters generally use them because they want everyone to know they're doing it. I get the impression they want people to think they're not cheating and are actually very good.
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The trouble with a Server called 'Aimbotters come here and play!' is I think that defies the 'point'. I don't think aimbotters generally use them because they want everyone to know they're doing it. I get the impression they want people to think they're not cheating and are actually very good.
You're right. But I'm not an aimbotter, yet I might to want to use one or see if I can code one, to satisfy my curiousity. I would never do this on a normal server because that's just unfair, but if there was an aimbot server I could go to I would be happier with that.
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And if someone decides to make one, could they call it 'Hell' please? That would give new meaning to "Go to Hell, Aimbotter!"
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The trouble with a Server called 'Aimbotters come here and play!' is I think that defies the 'point'. I don't think aimbotters generally use them because they want everyone to know they're doing it. I get the impression they want people to think they're not cheating and are actually very good.
The initial idea was based on: Most that get caught by their name using an aimbot on non-hell servers have the excuse "I just wanted to try it out to see what it does so I can better detect cheaters".
Hell would make that line obsolete :D
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AimBotz0r: I was trying it out here because I didn't know there was a special server for testing aimbots.
SomeGuy: GO TO HELL!
AimBotz0r: Ok, Thanks! ^^
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SomeGuy: No problem, come back when you are done
--- I see your point :D
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Only one player was in human team and I joined aliens. Everytime I was trying to kill him ... bang! I was killed. I tried almost all my evasive strategies that almost always work, but nothing. He killed me about 10 times and I killed him once. I started to think that I sucked!
I consider myself as a middle-high skilled player, not high, but better than average. I usually don't have any problem taking a human (or more) down with my dretch. So I felt really bad about my self. Then someone that was watching the massacre, told him that he was using aimbot (obviously he denied it).
After reading this thread, I realized he was aimbotting:
1) I hardly reach to him (I always died before even touch him, eventhough I wallwalked, randomly jumped or zigzagged).
2) He didn't wear any shield, and barely moved/jumped.
3) It didn't matter which arm he was using, always the same result/behaviour.
My personal contribuition to this thread is:
If you are new to trem, it would be really difficult to identify if someone else is using aimbot, so...
before accusing someone, get some experience...
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This is Noob, he uses an aimhack while jettarding in ATCS, then posts a video of it on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjk3kxYV4xk&feature=related
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Can we just let the topic of aimbots die? All this talking about cheaters is completely useless. If you do not want to play with or against cheaters, then play on a good server with friends.
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About the human raids
Ever rushed into the alien window room in niveus with a luci-suit+nade? if you are lucky you can get the OM.
Also the pulse+batt+lightArmor+helmet combo OWNS when you get on a roll, it in its self is usable as:
alien base breaker
last human survival vent camping
s3 getter
it has to be one of the best combos
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About the human raids
Ever rushed into the alien window room in niveus with a luci-suit+nade? if you are lucky you can get the OM.
Also the pulse+batt+lightArmor+helmet combo OWNS when you get on a roll, it in its self is usable as:
alien base breaker
last human survival vent camping
s3 getter
it has to be one of the best combos
I fail to see how this relates to the current thread?
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there are some aimbots out there that are designed to not snap to the target. ive specced a few of these and if your not a very good player yourself, its unlikely youll be able to tell the difference. honestly, its almost impossible to spot. trying to spot an aimbotter by his behavior in late game and early game is bullshit. usually, early game, im just too lazy to walk back to the medpad, and would prefer dying because of low hp or ammo than walking all the way back. lots of other good people do this as well. just play on servers where there are 3 to 4 skilled people, and youll probably be fine. avoid bigger servers.
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usually, early game, im just too lazy to walk back to the medpad, and would prefer dying because of low hp or ammo than walking all the way back. lots of other good people do this as well.
That is just wrong. People like you is what gives the Aliens Stage2 before you can say 'camp'. And I wonder what 'other good people' you refer to, since the 'tactic' you present here is a sure way to lose the game.
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stay on topic lava, this is a discussion about how to spot aimbots, not if i give the aliens s2 or not. i was merely pointing out that looking for an aimbot based on how often someone returns to heal is probably not the best way to spot one. I have seen other good people stay out with health below 50 and get two or three more kills before dying. sure, they might have a better kill:death ratio if they healed everytime they were below 50, but they dont. if you havent, we must play on different servers, with different people.
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before accusing someone, get some experience...
..or better yet, just spec them.
If there is another bot around that misses occasionally: I haven't seen it. Hopefully there won't be such a bot.
Can we just let the topic of aimbots die? All this talking about cheaters is completely useless. If you do not want to play with or against cheaters, then play on a good server with friends.
We can let it die, and it wouldn't be so terrible if it did. That said, I wouldn't say talking about cheaters is useless. The philosophy that you can always go to your friends on your special servers works well enough for the more well established players, but for new players.. who may very well be THE FUTURE OF TREMULOUS!! ..it's not so helpful.
They might not know there are botters among them. This could make people think the game is unbalanced and make them leave.
They might think there are botters among them when there are not. So long as old trem members are accepting the cheaters and heading to their own private servers, why wouldn't they think that their public servers are overrun with them?
Of course they don't have their own gaming circles and private servers. They're new to the game and getting a damn bad impression of it.
Don't be botter paranoid, but still bear it in mind.
Spotting botters can be fun :P they're little freak occurrences that you can mess around with. They should be laughed at but not accepted.
..and so is the reason for having a spotter manual. If you're going to look at all, it's best you know what you're looking for.
P.S. Thanks for reviving my thread :P it revived me too ;) (briefly)
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hmm... if trem had a little column in tab (+scores) that said Deaths , there would be a lot less deaths in this game. People would become stat nazi's and make sure they dont die a lot. Other games have this and people just don't like to die or feed. I know this had nothing to do w/ botters but i just wanted to say that. This could have went under feedback lol.
For finding botters - get an aimbot, play the game using the bot and spec someone. as a spec, you will be able to see through walls and check the "botters" and what they are doing.
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or, record a demo, and then watch the demo with r_shownormals set to 1. That way you aren't tempted to use a bot :)
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Another tell-tale sign is seeing the aim snap to targets that are already dead. This can panic them as they may be in mid-fight and can't stop the bot aiming at the floor. This is because the aimbot still registers that corpse as 'in use' while the dead players is viewing his death before respawning. Non-aimbotters don't have this trouble.
I don't aimbot, never have never will, but I snap to dead bodies, because I trained myself to go to anything that is and alien/looks like an alien. So what should I do?
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stay on topic lava
I merely reply you a statement you posted, a wrong statement. If you do not want a reply to your statements, do not post them.
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i was going to make a sever like that but port forwarding is to complex for my little brain
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i was going to make a sever like that but port forwarding is to complex for my little brain
O_o Lava will rake you over the coals for that
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Why not use punkbuster?
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Just a question that popped in mind... (not sure if asked yet)
Is it possible that someone uses "aimbot" that automatically triggers fire when it traces the a player in cursor?
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iirc yes, for ammo saving, but it is very detectable if relied on solely, and if they misfire to hide it they still need to learn to aim to not waste a lot of ammo. Not a very useful bot.
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Well mostly I was talking about use with MDriver. Most often the person gets the cursor over target but fails to fire it with right timing.
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I think auto-fire pre-dates aimbots.
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Why not use punkbuster?
You must be new (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?action=search) here. Type in the word "punkbuster" in the handy SEARCH box, and get a million billion reasons why. 'Cuz, nobody thought of that before... ::)
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Just a question that popped in mind... (not sure if asked yet)
Is it possible that someone uses "aimbot" that automatically triggers fire when it traces the a player in cursor?
Autofire
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I don't aimbot, never have never will, but I snap to dead bodies, because I trained myself to go to anything that is and alien/looks like an alien. So what should I do?
Well I wouldn't expect your 'snapping' to be anything like that of an aimbot. If you really are so trained that your lightning reflexes have you point to the very middle of the corpse and hold it there all in a split second, then you should also have the lightning-fast recognition that what you're pointing at is a corpse and so not continue to point at it. Frequently I've seen botters have their aim directed to the corpse over and over as they desperately vie for the attacker.
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Just a question that popped in mind... (not sure if asked yet)
Is it possible that someone uses "aimbot" that automatically triggers fire when it traces the a player in cursor?
Autofire
I believe that its technically called a triggerbot...
Anyway, in order to help make finding aimbots easier, I took the thz source and locked all the features to spec. IT has a few bugs, but works okay. Only problem is that to use it, the server must be unpure...
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I guess this can help some people, but the best weapon against aimbotters is Counter Strike, Unreal, Half life gaming experience xD.
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Just like the best defence against poison is not eating.
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Pretty good guide, thanks for posting it.
I guess this can help some people, but the best weapon against aimbotters is Counter Strike, Unreal, Half life gaming experience xD.
I think it's actually experienced admins with ban :P
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It's called aimbotting with a mass driver. You should snap on the target and get a hit in less than half a second if you know how to use aimbot professionally without getting caught.
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It's called aimbotting with a mass driver. You should snap on the target and get a hit in less than half a second if you know how to use aimbot professionally without getting caught.
1. This is not a guide for using aimbots more effectively. We're discussing how to spot them, not how to cheat better.
2. Using "aimbot professionally" doesn't make sense with either meaning of the word. You're not going to get paid to aimbot and it doesn't leave much room for skill.
3. If you can't aim to begin with, in that split second your view is going to move from somewhere else, directly toward the target and stop in the dead center of it. This is suspicious behaviour.
Even if you are reasonably good at aiming and use the bot for an extra 'edge', you're going to find yourself aiming at other places to where you meant the bot to aim, at least occasionally.
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Watch me with a md
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Watch me with a md
Gladly. Though I'm not sure if you're trying to tell me you're good at aiming, or an 'expert aimbotter'. I'm not even sure how you expect me to watch you without you giving me a time and place to do so.
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If you've ever seen someone like DFO play trem then you'd be able to see that some people honestly just play like an aimbot, they twitch around in circles and keep a steady shot on the center of their target.
Not all aimbots are like that either, when I left admin on SST a while back I was up to date on most of the aimbots and some had been ported over as trem hooks from other Quake 3 mods and were what I call "scroll bots", they don't twitch out, instead their aim accelerates to one side like it would with a moving mouse, overshoots the target, and then goes back to it, it doesn't aim dead center, it rolls around within the target's boundary box and goes off of it if the target moves too fast. Have fun spotting those ones.
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This concerns me quite a lot. It's not like I'm paranoid and I really dont mind being "pwnd" by someone miles better but sometimes you get a feeling when the log shows up "xx was mass driven by xx" 5,6 maybe 7 times in a row when you're all dretching around.
They could just be really, really good, and thats great, but sometimes they just seem to see you coming - in S1 - and that feels dodgy, especially when ive taken measures to be stealthy.
What to do? Go and play somewhere else i suppose but I shouldn't have to.
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If you've ever seen someone like DFO play trem then you'd be able to see that some people honestly just play like an aimbot, they twitch around in circles and keep a steady shot on the center of their target.
Not all aimbots are like that either, when I left admin on SST a while back I was up to date on most of the aimbots and some had been ported over as trem hooks from other Quake 3 mods and were what I call "scroll bots", they don't twitch out, instead their aim accelerates to one side like it would with a moving mouse, overshoots the target, and then goes back to it, it doesn't aim dead center, it rolls around within the target's boundary box and goes off of it if the target moves too fast. Have fun spotting those ones.
In the case of this 'scroll bot' you speak of, there is still room for the inconsistency of ability I mentioned before (such as shooting at nothing, corpses, hidden aliens). Granted, such a bot would be harder to spot, but it probably still gives suspicious behavior like accelerating directly toward a target that was behind. If a nonaimbotter thought there was an alien behind them, it's unlikely their aim would head directly toward the attacker. Rather, they'd turn to face the other way and then start to aim.
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March 1, afternoon MS clan serv 4:00 GMT-8:00 (pacific time)
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Watch me with a md
Gladly. Though I'm not sure if you're trying to tell me you're good at aiming, or an 'expert aimbotter'. I'm not even sure how you expect me to watch you without you giving me a time and place to do so.
March 1, afternoon MS clan serv 4:00 GMT-8:00 (pacific time)
Just so you know, Nux lives in Europe, so why should he have to wake up at 4/5 am (am i right?) to watch you aimbot?
Just record a demo and upload it and private message him with the link.
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Well, that saved me having to post. Thanks Geni3. :)
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Ok, uh, name a time and place, I'll be there.
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demo,
upload,
link.
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In the case of this 'scroll bot' you speak of, there is still room for the inconsistency of ability I mentioned before (such as shooting at nothing, corpses, hidden aliens). Granted, such a bot would be harder to spot, but it probably still gives suspicious behavior like accelerating directly toward a target that was behind. If a nonaimbotter thought there was an alien behind them, it's unlikely their aim would head directly toward the attacker. Rather, they'd turn to face the other way and then start to aim.
I haven't seen any recent aimbots shoot at corpses, that's old news. They're usually set by default to not aim outside of the default 90* (120* for dretch I think) FOV.
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Hey tin, are you coming back?
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In the case of this 'scroll bot' you speak of, there is still room for the inconsistency of ability I mentioned before (such as shooting at nothing, corpses, hidden aliens). Granted, such a bot would be harder to spot, but it probably still gives suspicious behavior like accelerating directly toward a target that was behind. If a nonaimbotter thought there was an alien behind them, it's unlikely their aim would head directly toward the attacker. Rather, they'd turn to face the other way and then start to aim.
I haven't seen any recent aimbots shoot at corpses, that's old news. They're usually set by default to not aim outside of the default 90* (120* for dretch I think) FOV.
Thanks for the update. I can only hope there is still some aspect which is visibly 'bottish'.