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Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: Kaleo on December 03, 2007, 09:07:04 pm
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http://www.microsoft.com/australia/windowsserversystem/getthefacts/default.mspx
Lol
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doesnt this show how desperate microsoft is and what the stupidity level of those users is?
"we use win2k3 because they offer us good 64bit support that linux didnt gave us" do more research morons! ;D
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Don your asbestos suits, comrades! It's gonna get hot in here!
At least Windows/Mac/Linux flamewars are more entertaining than, say, religion flamewars. Those get über stale real quick.
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Microsoft's only saving grace is that they are necessary, because they have 90% of the PC OS market.
Microsoft's main fallacy is that they own 90% of the PC OS market.
:/ Although I must say Linux is a PITA to learn. I mean from a power user perspective. You play with too many settings, you'll find yourself staring at a command console wondering which config file you need to revert changes on. Heh, heh... good luck. I usually end up re-formatting and re-installing.
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its easy to let most linux distros make selective backups daily or w/e suits you (my server backs up kernel/important files every night)
even to see what config files you edited lately isnt that hard... you just have know what commands to use to find out :P
but besides that... the desktops of current distros (KDE/GNOME) are very easy to use and much userfriendly actually then windows
installing programs is easier (they go where they are supposed to aswell.. in startmenu games go in.. GAMES not somewhere in the list.. same goes for other applications etc. :))
also... live CD's!! :) no install.. minimum ammount of RAM (while its loaded innit) is needed to run Knoppix or Ubuntu (i managed to run ubuntu on 64mb and knoppix on... 32mb :) )
its just you still have to know more about linux then windows to do more then just writing emails or surf the net :P
and i cant see why governments run windows... they mostly have a custom application running... port it to linux.. not that hard :P plus for example.. holland government spends over 300million a year on Windows licenses... switch to linux and .... they have 300mill a year to spend on everything else :)
@Steely Ann:
Yes i like to discuss differences between linux/windows/mac
since allot of opinions are based on different uses of the OS :)
I'm using Windows on my home PC, win2k3 on a seperate test/messaround computer, i use knoppix/ubuntu every once in a while when im borked of using windows and i run Debian on my dedi :o
WinXP aint a BAD os.. not for long :) its pretty decent... especially for a microsoft product, it could easily do allot better but hey.. nobody's perfect.. microsoft tried :P
Linux is more specific, also when chosing a distro, but also the way you want it to use or what you want it to do :p
wherin windows is more global and supports a wider variety of systems where you'll find that there plenty of linux distro's that wont even make it past install on your machine :P (i cant seem to get debian install on mine :()
now you have Vista.... i tried it.. i used it... i got sick of it... userfriendly my ass! only if you use whats on your desktop after installing Vista perhaps... otherwise its just the most borked OS currently available.. i would rather use Win98se or WinME then ever switching to vista :o
and then there is mac..... i never really used it because i dont need it :p
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*yawn*
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I still think violet is a prettier color than blue.
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and offcourse people who dislike OS discussions are gonna act cool and try to make the ones disccussing look stupid
lol if you dont care or get annoyed... you dont have to post or discuss lol
ah well no use saying anything about it, not like i will post in there disccussion that have none of my interest or w/e just to proof a point or anything .. but ah well yes Lava Croft your the coolest person ever and we all bow to your supreme 1337 greatness... i guess thats what you wish and want? :laugh:
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and offcourse people who dislike OS discussions are gonna act cool and try to make the ones disccussing look stupid
lol if you dont care or get annoyed... you dont have to post or discuss lol
ah well no use saying anything about it, not like i will post in there disccussion that have none of my interest or w/e just to proof a point or anything .. but ah well yes Lava Croft your the coolest person ever and we all bow to your supreme 1337 greatness... i guess thats what you wish and want? :laugh:
I think this post gives everybody a great insight into your psyche, rather than what you think is mine.
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and offcourse people who dislike OS discussions are gonna act cool and try to make the ones disccussing look stupid
lol if you dont care or get annoyed... you dont have to post or discuss lol
ah well no use saying anything about it, not like i will post in there disccussion that have none of my interest or w/e just to proof a point or anything .. but ah well yes Lava Croft your the coolest person ever and we all bow to your supreme 1337 greatness... i guess thats what you wish and want? :laugh:
I think this post gives everybody a great insight into your psyche, rather than what you think is mine.
nah im just bored and i like to annoy people i dont like :)
besides seems like your part of the tremulous team.. why your spamming so much bullcrap everywhere? :)
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I still think violet is a prettier color than blue.
Violet however uses too much ram for simple processes.. blue at least will bring you coffee in the morning at 99 fps..... though robustness and compatibility are unparalleled with black.
Operating systems/servers are only as good as the people running them. This seems to be even more so the case for servers in my experience. I love linux servers but windows servers that are properly administrated are definitely a force to be reckoned with. They both run well. It just takes an inexperienced user at either to make them suck, and no doubt a lot of companies pick up windows techs that get frightened by a console and you end up with those companies having less reliable linux servers and eventually switching over to windows.. its all marketing when you make a big fake newspaper, but if you look into it enough the comparison between the linux and the new MS servers they are pretty level imho.
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Great, another OS elitism war.
Face it people, just because you like something, doesn't mean others have to.
I like OS X, but am forced to use windows. I find linux a pain to maintain a system. Others find windows a pain, and love linux, others still just like os x, its all a matter of opinion.
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Also "Volume 1 - Issue 1" <<
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Like Microsoft wouldn't know what they're saying ....
I Use Win2k Pro and IMHO it's the best O/S I've ever used. Super fast, reliable , has service packs (unlike Vista), nice interface (yup, thats right, I like it) and doesn't waste so much resources. I like it better than that crappy XP.
And yes, I have used linux before.
Ohh well, thats just my opinion.
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I use TremulOS. I run all my apps in the QVM.
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Like Microsoft wouldn't know what they're saying ....
I Use Win2k Pro and IMHO it's the best O/S I've ever used. Super fast, reliable , has service packs (unlike Vista), nice interface (yup, thats right, I like it) and doesn't waste so much resources. I like it better than that crappy XP.
And yes, I have used linux before.
Ohh well, thats just my opinion.
Why don't you just disable the theme and other services you don't want on XP, then it will run just like 2K, except better?
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except better?
o rly?
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Yarly... it can run games better = it runs better. :p I win.
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apparently some new games dont work on win2k because its no longer supported by microsoft.
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Win2k is still supported, it's just some games are compiled with the inanely useless new editions of VC++ that tie into XP kernel specific functions for no reason other than to get XP more into the market
See: Doom3/Quake4 Win9X fiasco
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Like Microsoft wouldn't know what they're saying ....
I Use Win2k Pro and IMHO it's the best O/S I've ever used. Super fast, reliable , has service packs (unlike Vista), nice interface (yup, thats right, I like it) and doesn't waste so much resources. I like it better than that crappy XP.
And yes, I have used linux before.
Ohh well, thats just my opinion.
Why don't you just disable the theme and other services you don't want on XP, then it will run just like 2K, except better?
I did and I still find Win2k faster.
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Hmm... did you disable the Indexing service, as well as the Recovery service?
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No, I don't even know what they are. I just changed the theme to classic and turned of the firewall.
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Err... that doesn't work. I'll find a list of services to disable and get back to you, if you want.
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IMO, Windows 2000 Pro, and Windows ME, and Win XP pro are the best.
There is a small problem with linux. It's backwards compatibility with windows games. The so-called compatability actually sucks, and is very complex
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Evlesoa
Uhh... ME is one of "the best"? I wouldn't mind having a hit of whatever you're smoking, good sir. ;)
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Well... I tend to agree, but I've heard that ME either works wonderfully for you, or will give you no end of problems... flip a coin and hope for heads. XD
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well, here is what our fathers thought we would be arguing about --
I like this the best personally.
(http://rajivtayal.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/oldest-computer.jpg)
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mooseberry
I'm not sure what ancient Fark Photoshop contest entries (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1115586) have to do with anything.
// Long-time Farker. ;D
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Great, another OS elitism war.
Face it people, just because you like something, doesn't mean others have to.
I like OS X, but am forced to use windows. I find linux a pain to maintain a system. Others find windows a pain, and love linux, others still just like os x, its all a matter of opinion.
I agree Paradox, and once people begin to realize that it is my opinion that is important, then we'll be getting somewhere!
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Of the windows side, I too liked Win2k the most. Stripped down and fast. XP is when oprah started chunking up again. Personally, I think Vista is the new ME. Vista is the best thing to happen to alternative OS' since whomever decided to build activex into IE made that decision (anyone know that guy? we should probably lynch him!) A little after winXP came out, I started seriously investigating linux as a desktop. I could see the writing on the wall, XP was already a bloated up version of win2k, but it required more resources in return for a bubble gum interface that interferes with my work and I was pretty much forced to upgrade, though I felt absolutely NO REASON to (drivers on a new machine :( ) (My sentence structure is already mangled, so I feel the need to put something in parenthesis)
Since switching to Linux (Macs were too expensive for me when I started getting away from MS) I have not had a problem that I could not solve. I haven't had to suffer with an old version of DirectX because the vid card manufacturer isn't releasing new drivers that are compatible with new versions of DirectX. I haven't had to say goodbye to old games that will simply no longer run in the newest version of windows(in fact, some of those old games I've been able to get running on Linux \o/ .) I haven't had to buy a new computer for the simple pleasure of loading up the newest version of the OS. I haven't had to spend an hour reconfiguring my base install to make it remotely secure while also being usable. I've spent less time dealing with other windows admins who say "why don't you just do this simple but mindlessly disconnected activity to fix your undocumented problem? Sheesh, its on the 2nd page of the ms.com search if you just search technet for the process name and event ID." I haven't had to spend countless hours scanning for virus' or adware or spyware (unless you count relatives machines ;) ) I always thought it funny when pure windows admins would tell me that I'm being silly, and that they don't have a problem with spyware or any of that. Then I stop by their desk to find them running a virus scan or some such utility. They don't have a problem cause they turn their machines into bricks for a couple hours out of every week while it defrags or scans for virus' or adware. Hey, thats one more headache I don't have to deal with. \o/
What else have I gotten? Software. Piles and piles and piles of software. Software to do just about everything imaginable, and lots of things I hadn't imagined before. Some of the software is really crappy, and some of it is amazingly good. Its a mixed bag, but there is software that I would have to steal to run on windows.
Wow, I ranted. Sorry. I will disavow all knowledge of this post!
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A small thought...
People seem to totally overlook the fact that most of the computer users in the world are not like us, they don't play games, they don't fiddle with settings and do not know about filesystems. These people want to press a blue-lit LED button, see a nice composited Windows screen, click on their picture, enter their 4-letter password and open Outlook Express and Internet Explorer. You can talk to these people for hours about how Linux is better, you can be completely correct, but it will not impress them. They have no interest in these matters.
As long as the mainsteam computer user has no deeper interest in computers, just like most people have no deeper interest in microwaves, they will never see the benefit of switching to a OS like Linux/GNU. They will only see obstacles, changes, problems.
Linux/GNU Will Eat Itself
Furthermore, the 'masterplan' to get every computer user in the world to use a 'open' OS like Linux/GNU is being seriously hampered by most of the Linux/GNU users themselves, who constantly feel the need to express the technical superiority of their OS, while blatantly ridiculing the OS the mainsteam (the people we want to join our cause, remember?) is using.
You do not have to be a genious to realize that ridiculing people usually does not relieve them of their conviction, it will only make it stronger.
Final Fantasies
Let's just let everyone live in peace and mutual respect, and if people want to use software you deem inferior, let them. There are far more important matters at hand in this world. Because we know that while you climb on your soapbox to preach about your OS, you are either stuffing your mouth with poison, typing on a keyboard that's so cheap because of child labour involved in its fabrication, and your old computer is piled up in China, ready to be disassembled by poor people, under inhumane working conditions. Try to solve those problems, instead of creating problems that do not exist anywhere but in the virtual world. A small, nerdy virtual world that is of absolutely no consequence.
PS: I intentionally did not mention Apple!
[EDIT] typo mess
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Thread over. Lava wins. :P
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A small thought...
People seem to totally overlook the fact that most of the computer users in the world are not like us, they don't play games, they don't fiddle with settings and do not know about filesystems. These people want to press a blue-lit LED button, see a nice composited Windows screen, click on their picture, enter their 4-letter password and open Outlook Express and Internet Explorer. You can talk to these people for hours about how Linux is better, you can be completely correct, but it will not impress them. They have no interest in these matters.
As long as the mainsteam computer user has no deeper interest in computers, just like most people have no deeper interest in microwaves, they will never see the benefit of switching to a OS like Linux/GNU. They will only see obstacles, changes, problems.
Ya, true...
Linux/GNU Will Eat Itself
Furthermore, the 'masterplan' to get every computer user in the world to use a 'open' OS like Linux/GNU is being seriously hampered by most of the Linux/GNU users themselves, who constantly feel the need to express the technical superiority of their OS, while blatantly ridiculing the OS the mainsteam (the people we want to join our cause, remember?) is using.
You do not have to be a genious to realize that ridiculing people usually does not relieve them of their conviction, it will only make it stronger.
Not to mention they make it hard to actually configure their OS if you are a power user that's not used to their OS <!!>. One screwup and you're stuck at the command prompt hoping to find whichever config file you screwed up.
Final Fantasies
Let's just let everyone live in peace and mutual respect, and if people want to use software you deem inferior, let them. There are far more important matters at hand in this world. Because we know that while you climb on your soapbox to preach about your OS, you are either stuffing your mouth with poison, typing on a keyboard that's so cheap because of child labour involved in its fabrication, and your old computer is piled up in China, ready to be disassembled by poor people, under inhumane working conditions. Try to solve those problems, instead of creating problems that do not exist anywhere but in the virtual world. A small, nerdy virtual world that is of absolutely no consequence.
PS: I intentionally did not mention Apple! Crash Think different ;D
[EDIT] typo mess XD