Tremulous Forum
General => Feedback => Topic started by: fewmets on December 06, 2007, 08:33:08 pm
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I know that this is a great game i play it alot but its engine is quite old and outdated and is going to die like planetside if not updated. All the engines i have listed have their benefits as well as their faliures.
1). Quake four is a great game engine but has bad graphics and unrealistic physics but is way easier to use and better feeling than Q3.
2). Cry engine is hard to get your hands on and requires Hi-Fi Systems but rewards you with a great feel and simplisity as well as really perfect graphical rendering.
3).The source engine is well established and if you can get on steam it would improve the number of users and players massively.
Please post your oppinions as i would like to know even if it is never looked at by the Devs.
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For those who don't understand the concept of the search button, this has already been suggested and discussed into the ground. Furthermore, all of the suggested alternatives in the poll are commercial engines.
To summarise, the conclusion of many previous engine discussions is that commercial engines are unsuitable (for obvious reasons), and that porting trem to another Q3 based engine with modern graphics features could be worth the effort if there were any that could perform well.
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Taiyo said it all. Commercial = bad. Tremulous wouldn't be free, and I doubt that there would me as much custom content as there is now. Tremulous is thriving, and I believe it will be for a long time.
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Im not stupid ok. you dont need to make fun of me to get your point across. ya. i know that the cry2 engine is commercial but q4 and source are not. thay are open source engines now that have been freely released and the engine doesnt determine the content it determines the way additions are programed. anything can be added to an engine given enough work. Even if its not changed now it might be a good idea in the future because currently this game is going the way of planetside, EQ, EQ2, Starwars Galaxies and many other games that were fun at first but then got outdated. I still love this game though best open source game out there!!! :D
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I don't believe that the source for the Q4 engine has been released.
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None of those engines are open source.
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Isn't Doom 3 Open source? Or no?
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No. I doubt it will be for some time yet - ID Software is currently licensing this at $250,000 per title + 5% royalties.
http://www.idsoftware.com/business/idtech4/
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WTF?!
@op #10
Please get your facts straight before you try to sound as if you had a clue.
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I'm sure whatever engine you buy for us the devs would be more than glad to give it a try.
Can... everyone vote for every option or is this some completely useless moderator thing?
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ok i am done
YAY! Oh, you meant this post didn't you...
thanks for reading
You assume too much of your audience.
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You assume too much of your audience.
+1
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port trem to BASIC
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I would of read your post if you'd knew how to use punctuation and spelling.
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I would of read your post if you'd knew how to use punctuation and spelling.
You talk about spelling? selfownage ...
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Now tell me, where did I make a spelling mistake?
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ok, I'll bite. of should be have. I guess that is technically a misspelling of of. :P I'll leave the other to someone else :)
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I would have read your post if you'd known how to use punctuation and spelling.
There, all better.
Not that it actually matters, really.
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Uh why not ask Bill Gates, He is rich right?
Maybe he will spare us a couple thousand and a great engine, but then that engine would be open source, or maybe we could sue him because in halo 3 everything is coped from tremulous including telenodes if you ever play forage.
But anyway, how much is a commercial engine or what is the one that call of duty uses, because I think that is open source.
We could use quake 4 because this is quake 3 which is about the same as quake 4.
We could maybe cut and past or could we maybe? I have no clue what i am talking about. Oh, wouldn't have guessed
If you haven't already noted and when is 1.2 coming out, maybe by the time of 1.3 ( if tremulous is still alive around then) there will be a new engine out or bill gates will give us some cash for a new one( i don't know(indeed, you don't) ).
Maybe he could make a contract that says that its non profit or you cant use. What i mean is if you are using his engine for profit you have to give all your money to Gates.
Oh and for 1 .2 boosters should poison humans if they jump on it (just saying) Random >.>
I really think that the call of duty engine is up for grabs or maybe you have to crack the source code.
Anyway, how hard is it to make a engine in the first place do you have to go through 100010010100111 like that or can you do it on notepad?
That is what is stupid about apples they don't have notepad, or do they?
I don't think that vista does. vista sucks I don't think vista is the one who sucks here atm..
The only reason that anyone uses it is because its the only way they could buy. Vista is an OS, not a computer and Vista costs money...
Their computer, it sucks because they thought that mac was a small bug that they could beet by making a better program, a bigger bug but what they didn't know is the smaller the bug the more deadlier so mac owned vista and Microsoft wasted all its time on making a bug that was killed by mac, so now its has to go back to what it does best make xp type programs with lots of virus.
Think that is the problem with most non macs is outdated virus protection. Most virus software fills you computer with cookies.
Evil cookies that fatten up your computer so it is sluggish and unmotivated. The sentence after this one didn't make any sence at all, even less then the others so I didn't include it.
There should be an alien in tremulous. One that jams up the armory so it steals your money and you can't get your creds back.
That would suck.
Maybe it eats you too that would be funny an armory that eats you, that would be a good mod.
Where did benmacheens mod go anyway?? I liked it.
Really i want to host a server with it. Can someone please give the link in the next post that would be very helpfull plus where do you get the tremulous source code anyway because I know you have to extract it or something.
I said include source code when I downloaded it but it still didn't work or I can't find it.
Could you cut and past in it to make a tyrant clime on walls.
Is it in c++ or just c or is it in b?
Is there such thing as c+ or just c++? I think just c++. Am i right?
I read the beginning of C programming for dummy's i guess i wasn't a dummy because i couldn't understand it.Figures
Well i could, but didn't know what to do. It just gave me useless facts like b stands for belgaim or something and at&t made C should c be capsulized. Did you even get past the first chapter or something?
I guess not considering that my grammar it sucks.lol
If you haven't noticed the hovel doesn't look like a hovel see :hovel:
I forgot what hovel means anyway :advmarauder:and lucifer and many other things have real meanings, tyrant.Yea, It sucks that hovel doesn't really exist eh?/sarcasm
Someone should make a post about everything and its definition. I wonder what its definition is or where you would post it. On this forum, off topic or general discussion. Guess general discussion because more people would look at it.And you started off so well :(
It should be made a sticky. Is that what they are still called?
Why doesn't this site got any good skin anyway.
Its lame and looks unprofessional. Please make the better skin.
Someone shrinked my sig. I like it better.
You know noob pluks N00b pl0x sig how its How do i sort out sig.
I think he needs to just take out the boobs and he is fine.
I think that is what the moderators were getting made at. It's so funny, in xfire it says in the service agreement that I am at least 13 years or older I should disconnect .
#1 what 12 year old is going to be on xfire and #2: Who is going to read the service agreements? Well me, but still how many people ever read the service agreements.
I never understand why someone would want trem to be supported by steam. What is the point?
You don't need a disk and its FREE.
pointless. My attempt to improve your post is.
I think trem is the best free game ever but its hard to find. Before I played tremulous, sometimes I would just Google free demo war game or something to find something good.
It was hard to find anything that was good tremulous should be easier to find or be advertise a little. That would cost money but I don't know. It was just an idea anyway. The quake engine is fine, it just needs some work like making it less laggy. Is that even possible? Yea it is. It's called upgrading your computer
That is the main problem with tremulous is the lag. If the lag was gone it would be fine plus aimbots maybe punk buster that is what they use in call of duty and that works well.
ok I am done thanks for reading. Amen
Hope this helps reading it. I had lots of fun reading through the whole damn thing...
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I would have read your post if you'd known how to use punctuation and spelling.
There, all better.
Not that it actually matters, really.
That is vocabulary not grammar/spelling.
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I would of read your post if you'd knew how to use punctuation and spelling.
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Punuwation spelling please enplane not everyone is as smart as you you know
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I would of read your post if you'd knew how to use punctuation and spelling.
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Punuwation spelling please enplane not everyone is as smart as you you know
Punctuation = ! ? , . : ; / etc..
Spelling = Punctuation, Football, Games and every word grammatically correct
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I would of read your post if you'd knew how to use punctuation and spelling.
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Punctuation, spelling?? please explain. Not everyone is as smart as you, you know.
Punctuations are things like . and , and !.
They're there to make things easier to read. (dot at the end of a sentence)
Didn't you learn about them at school?(Question mark here, because it is a question)
Writing that way makes things easier to read, because it looks cleaner and it's more obvious when a sentence has come to an end.(comma between read and because, so that you can take a small break reading. )
Spelling? Damn, how old are you anyway? 10?
Not everyone is as smart as you you know
Indeed, as you just proved it.
It's basic stuff; don't you go to school or something?
edit: Awww, Nitrox beated me :'(
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If/When id releases the Quake 4 source code will Tremulous be ported/updated to the newer engine? I'm sure that it won't be released for quite some time, and I would like to hope that the Tremulous' dev's and community will still be around, but having some idea of what's to come is always nice.
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If/When id releases the Quake 4 source code will Tremulous be ported/updated to the newer engine? I'm sure that it won't be released for quite some time, and I would like to hope that the Tremulous' dev's and community will still be around, but having some idea of what's to come is always nice.
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it would basically mean rewriting trem from scratch, so i doubt it will happen
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I clicked on this topic expecting to see intelligent discussion of the pros and cons of using a new engine for Tremulous. I guess I was wrong.
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Pros:
Well, if we can wait for idtech4, we'll have an improved graphics engine (though, I don't believe id did a very good job on the idtech4 engine. There's so much more it could have had and featured, yet it doesn't. =/).
Being able to use easier, more powerful programs (while I'm a Radiant fanboy, it's no UnrealED).
Cons:
Doing all the models/maps from scratch (though, we could, if needed, port the models to the new engine. But this wouldn't show us the sparkling, new graphics we want.
We'd lose a fair few players to crappy hardware. At least you need an ATi Radeon 9600 to play Quake 4/Doom 3 smoothly.
That's about all I want and can type about at the moment.
Cryengine2? Are you CRAZY?! Do you have any clue what you're talking about? Two things. The CryEngine2 code will not be useable/under GPL for another...it may never be availible to us.
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Also from what I've heard Cryengine2 is badly optimized and takes up too much hardware for what it actually draws. Anyways I don't think trem players have hi-fi PCs. But if trem would ever get Cryengine2 for free to use: that'd be the time when they'd give out 2 free ATI HD2900XT-s for every download of trem... in b4 idiots not noticeing sarcasm: That is just as unlikely as we'd ever get cryengine2...
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The only feature I like about CryEngine2 is it's amazing ability to sanely draw the scene.
By this I mean the engine does not need hinting. It does it automatically, which is by all accounts an amazing feature that I wish ioQ3 had. If you can't see it, it doesn't get drawn.
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As with the CryEngine1. Download the demo of Farcry (or buy it...>.>), check it out. Awesome. :)
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if we change engine it will ruin Trem. why ? all these engines doesnt have the same functions that id tech 3 engine has. see ? also if we will change engine i wont play. why ? MY DAMN FUCKING COMP IS TOO BAD.
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As with the CryEngine1. Download the demo of Farcry (or buy it...>.>), check it out. Awsome. :)
10 frames per second has never looked so good.
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OK.
Idea.
Tremulous let we with the normal eninge.
And make in few years when the eninge is free a Tremulous 2 with Starship Trooper Eninge (Quake 4 Eninge + Swarm-Eninge). Cool Graphic, nice Physik and with the Swarm-Eninge thousand of enemies can be stand in the same level without lags you need only 2 GHz i think. With the Swarm Eninge make a Single Player Campaign.
One human with many weapons against thousands of Aliens =). Or over internet a Group of humans against thousands aliens.
Nice Idea.
The Tremulous Developer must then only develope two games at the same time.
(Need bigger Community i think.)
Tremulous 1 with Quake 3 eninge for Player with old PC's and Tremulous 2 for Players with 2 Year old PC's or up-to-date PC's.
But for the Game Starship Troopers you need only an PC from 2004.
The Tremulous developer have time.
I say in FEW years when the Eninge is for free.
Then the Tremulous Community is death (what i don't think) or the Tremulous development community is 400% bigger =). Humans over the world work for new Tremulous game. =) Open Source Game with open source eninge in few years. =)
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The Tremulous developer have time.
lol.
The Tremulous Developer must then only develope two games at the same time.
Oh, only two games at the same time. Ahh, no problem >.>
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And my idea?
Good or bad?
And i mean Tremulous have in few years more developers. 400% more i think =)
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They're prob not going to hire new devs, seeing how they're doing this in their free time if I'm right.
Heck, if I'm right on this part as well, then they even lost devs compared to the initial release, atleast I've never heard of them after the initial release.
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I hope they don't lost Devs.
They can make a notice at Trem homepage.
"We search developers. Please contact us if you have interesting and experience".
This notice.
For all the map or mod maker on the world.
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The Devs probably have The Great Escape reminiscent tunnels linking all their houses/caves/castles/forts/evilgeniuslairisland/submarines/spaceships together. But I think a few Devs have floated off in their hot-air balloon fortresses.
400% developers?
Wow.
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THE INVASION OF THE DEVELOPERS!!!!!!!! :battlesuit: :basilisk: :human: :marauder: :jetpack: :medstat: :overmind: :barricade: :armoury: :advmarauder: :acidtube:
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sadly, universe is still very active
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tru dat... i wonder how mars is doin these dayz....
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:armoury: a question.
What is karma in this forum and how i get it (+/-)?
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Karma is those numbers underneath your name, and you can raise or lower karma of other people, depending on if you like them or not, or they have done "good" or "bad" things.
As well as this, Karma is completely Off Topic.
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i am nice please more karma =)
waht is the max karma in +/-?
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Positive, I dunno, no-one has a very high karma here, negative...
Now what was n00b pl0x on?
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the tremulous devs r probably burnt out after making trem work.....
it could almost be a completely new game, because the whole code would have to be reworked for a new engine....
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right.
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People, stop dreaming about something that is never going to happen. All this talk about changing to another engine is totally devoid of any respect for the current game.
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People, stop dreaming about something that is never going to happen. All this talk about changing to another engine is totally devoid of any respect for the current game.
Lava you are too pessimistic... Maybe they love Trem so much they have wet dreams about Trem becoming so beautiful by today's standards that it'd wash off crysis from the top. (http://usteam.hu/forum/Smileys/default/1040333906.gif)
Tho' I completely agree with you that it will never happen. :(
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There are free, open source 3D engines like Ogre or IrrLicht (my personal favourite), but I doubt that a new engine should be implemented. Changing the engine implies reprogramming the whole game. I would vote for the keeping of Q3A engine (although bumpmapping and specular features would be welcome).
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What about switching to ogre or irrlicht? They are both free, open-source graphics engines. I would go get links, but I am too lazy.
While we are thinking about it...
What about implementing a full-scale physics engine? There is at least one pretty decent, free, open-source one. Then we could kill teh hitboxes!!!
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Because the ioquake3 engine is fine. There are engines like(dare I say) XreaL (http://xreal.sourceforge.net) that are Quake 3 with updated renderers. Problem is, XreaL is dog slow at the moment.
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Then we could kill teh hitboxes!!!
And the CPUs. Rigid body dynamics (Bullet (http://www.bulletphysics.com/Bullet/) et al) may be feasible in terms of resource usage, but integrating it with the current engine will be difficault. Then comes the influence of different physics model on the game. The settings, weapons and balance are tweaked for the Q3 physics model, and will need substantial reworking.
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What about switching to ogre or irrlicht? They are both free, open-source graphics engines. I would go get links, but I am too lazy.
While we are thinking about it...
What about implementing a full-scale physics engine? There is at least one pretty decent, free, open-source one. Then we could kill teh hitboxes!!!
I'm afraid that I've opened a Pandora's box. The actual engine is fine. I suggested those engines as open-source examples merely. They should not be implemented. Q3A is fine and couldn't be better.
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What about switching to ogre or irrlicht? They are both free, open-source graphics engines. I would go get links, but I am too lazy.
While we are thinking about it...
What about implementing a full-scale physics engine? There is at least one pretty decent, free, open-source one. Then we could kill teh hitboxes!!!
I'm afraid that I've opened a Pandora's box. The actual engine is fine. I suggested those engines as open-source examples merely. They should not be implemented. Q3A is fine and couldn't be better.
Gee, Not like this discussion is going to kill anyone. :P
Atleast it is good reading, and imagining trem with imba phys'sz or graf'x is fun.
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Gee, Not like this discussion is going to kill anyone. :P
Atleast it is good reading, and imagining trem with imba phys'sz and graf'x is fun.
:)
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Physics engines are slow and Tremulous already is pretty CPU-intensive. Not a good idea before a good rewrite of the renderer so it actually uses your videocard instead of your CPU.
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R u serious Lava? Ok this engine needs LOTS and LOTS of improvements.... I just hope devs will release next version before they are done with everything they can come up with. It has already taken lots of time. Cant we get at least most of what has been done by now?
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No. "almost done" = very broken.
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Thats not what I meant. What I meant was that they shouldn't take on 100 changes/updates to finish for next release. First some things, later others.
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Thats not what I meant. What I meant was that they shouldn't take on 100 changes/updates to finish for next release. First some things, later others.
I don't think anyone besides TremDev is in the position to tell what they should and should not do.
Also, if you knew Tremulous' history a bit, you would realize that it's not that long since 1.1.0 got released, not even 2 years. Be full of respect and patience and you will be served. For free. Because that is how TremDev is. Really nice.
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Physics engines are slow and Tremulous already is pretty CPU-intensive. Not a good idea before a good rewrite of the renderer so it actually uses your videocard instead of your CPU.
The renderer uses the CPU and not the GPU?! I never knew that before. :-\
Also, physics engines aren't really slow. (I have an AMD Athalon 2x 3800+ though, so I can't really judge their speed on average computers. 8) )
Furthermore, I'm sure the devs would be happy to rewrite the entire game into a new engine if we bought the engine and paid the devs to rewrite Trem. Otherwise we will just have to look for Q3 based games that have improvements and submit patches.
Edit: I just noticed the poll had a mistake. NS does not use the Source engine. It uses the GldSrc engine. The Source engine is far superior to the GldSrc engine.
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Well, not entirely on the CPU :D The Q3 renderer uses the GPU in the way that it would use a 1999 'GPU'. These were little more than fixed-function rasterisation accelerators and not the programmable render farms that contemporary graphics cards are. There is some rendering work that can be moved from the CPU to the GPU, but whether anybody wants to jump into the rendering code is another question.
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I'm not sure whether modern graphics drivers allow "1999 'GPUs'" to operate like modern GPUs.
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Uhm... Modern graphics drivers often contain optimisation routines that will make efficient use of a modern GPU even for olde game engines, but if a game engine executes some rendering related operations on the CPU (i.e. outside of GL) then there's nothing that the driver can do about it.
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Tremulous already is pretty CPU-intensive??? Are you joking? It's about 100 MB and runs great. Than again I do use an Alienware area-51 laptop for gaming so...
If you want a huge game try World In Conflict (http://www.worldinconflict.com/us)
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since when does the size of the download have anything to do with cpu usage?
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Tremulous already is pretty CPU-intensive??? Are you joking? It's about 100 MB and runs great. Than again I do use an Alienware area-51 laptop for gaming so...
If you want a huge game try World In Conflict (http://www.worldinconflict.com/us)
The game size doesn't infuence the CPU load, and the game experience pretty much depends on the CPU you have. Probably you have a fast CPU, but not all people have one. However, the game runs well in my old Pentium IV (hope it stays that way).
The configuration should be as flexible as possible. That is, the user should be able to choose if he wants advanced physics, and if yes, if he wants to use the CPU for physics (must have a very fast processor for that and a software physics engine) or the FPU that comes with Phys-x. A FPU is still an option, I'm afraid. Like the GPU years ago. Old games would use CPU for every task, if I recall.
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Good luck with persuading Ageia to release sufficient programming information for their physics cards.
x86 processors have had integrated FPUs since the 486DX.
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you realize 90% of the people on this forum wont read those REALLY long posts that are like A WHOLE BOOK LONG! (not the one above me mind you)
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you realize 90% of the people on this forum wont read those REALLY long posts that are like A WHOLE BOOK LONG! (not the one above me mind you)
Heh... I take it those would be the same ones that can't figure their own problems out by reading the frakking manual?
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you realize 90% of the people on this forum wont read those REALLY long posts that are like A WHOLE BOOK LONG! (not the one above me mind you)
Heh... I take it those would be the same ones that can't figure their own problems out by reading the frakking manual?
Perhaps "off topic" for this thread in general, but the particular discussion here might make this relevant:
http://www.bl.uk/news/2008/pressrelease20080116.html (http://www.bl.uk/news/2008/pressrelease20080116.html)
Might certainly explain why I find myself repeating "RTFM" more often at work now than I used to.
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oh my fuckin god jr2 you fuckin r-tard that had no realavance to what i was saying, there putting stupid life stories (ok maby i wasn't specific enough NO ONE ON THIS PAGE DID THE BOOK LONG POST (page 3)
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Why not just quote it? You could remove the text from it so it's just a clickable link. =P
uh why not ask bill gates he is rich right maybe he will spare us a cuple thousand and a great engine but then that engine would be open source or maybe we could sue him because in halo 3 everything is coped from tremulous including telenodes if you ever play forage but anyway how much is a commercial engine or what is the one that call of duty uses because i think that is open source. or we could use quake 4 sence this is quake 3 about the same as quake 4 we could maybe cut and past or could we maybe i have no clue what i am talking about if you haven't already noted and when is 1.2 coming out maybe by the time of 1.3 ( if tremulous is still alive around then) there will be a new engine out or bill gates will give us some cash for a new one( i don't know ) maybe he could make a contract that says that its non profit or you cant use i what i mean is if you are using his engine for profit you have to give all your money to gates oh and for 1 .2 boosters should poison humans if they jump on it (just saying) no but i really think that the call of duty engine is up for grabs or maybe you have to crack the source code anyway how hard is it to make a engine in the first place do you have to go through 100010010100111 like that or can you do it on notepad that is what is stupid about apples they don't have notepad or do they i don't think that vista does vista sucks the only reason that anyone uses it is because its the only way they could bye there computer it sucks because they thought that mac was a small bug that they could beet by making a better program a bigger bug but what they didn't know is the smaller the bug the more deadlier so mac owned vista and Microsoft wasted all its time on making a bug that was killed by mac so now its has to go back to what it does best make xp tipe programs with lots of virus think that is the problem with most non macs is outed virus protection most virus software fills you computer with cookies Evil cookies that fatten up your computer so it is sluggish and unmotivated to do what you wont i had a flash drive that puts cookies on any compute you plug it into that should be an alien in tremulous one that jams up the armory so it steals your money and you can't get your creds back that wouls suck maybe it eats you too that would be funny an armory that eats you that would be a good mod where did benmacheens mod go anyway ?? i liked it really i wont to host a server with it can someone please give the link in the next post that would be very helpfully plus where do you get the tremulous source code anyway because i know you have to extract it or something i said include source code when i downloaded it but it still didn't work or i cant find it could you cut and past in it to make a tyrant clime on walls is it in c++ or just c or is it in b is there such thing as c+ or just c++ i think just c++ am i right i read the begging of C programing for dummy's i guess i wasn't a dummy because i couldn't understand it. well i could but didn't know what to do it just gave me useless facts like b stands for belgaim or something and at&t made C should c be capsulized i guess not considering that my grammar it sucks if you haven't noted the hovel doesn't look like a hovel see :hovel: i forget what hovel means anyway :advmarauder:and lusifer and many other things have real meanings tyrant someone should make a post about everything and its definition i wonder what its definition is or where you would post it on this forms off topic or general discussion guess general discussion because more people would look at it it should be made a sticky is that what they are still called why hasn't this sight got any good skin anyway its lame looks unprofessional please make the better skin someone shortage my sig i like it better you know noob pluks sig how its How do i sort out sig i think he needs to just take out the boobs and he is fine i think that is what the moderators were getting made at its so funny in xfire it says in the servace agreement that i am at least 13 years or older i should disconnect . #1 what 12 year old is going to be on xfire and 2 who is going to read the servaec agreement well me but still how many people ever reaad the servace agreement i never understand why someone would wont trem to be suported by steam what is the point you dont need a disk and its FREE pointless i think trem is the best free game ever but its hard to find before tremulous sometimes i would just Google free demo war game or something to find something good it was hard to find anything that was good tremulous should be easer to find or be avertized a little that would cost monney but i dont know it wasa just an idea anyway the quake engine is fine it just needs some work like making it less laggy is that even possible? that is the main problem with tremulous is the lag if the lag was gone it would be fine plus aimbots maybe punk buster that is what they use in call of duty and that works well. ok i am done thanks for reading
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Reading that is like looking into a black hole of intelligence, legibility, and time.
Oh wait, it is.
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Reading that is like looking into a black hole of intelligence, legibility, and time.
Oh wait, it is.
are you implying that there is a bunch of intelligence, legibility, and time stuck inside? because even if none of it can escape i have trouble believing that there are noticable quantities of it inside
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I can so read that. Right. I gave up on the second line.
I know, let's port to the Duke Nukem 3D engine! Or better, Zork.
On a serious note, has anyone considered ca-3d? It's not finished but looks fairly sweet.
http://www.ca3d-engine.de/c_Features.php
It would probably kill most people's computers though. But I'd like it. SPECULARITY! BUMP MAPPING!
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I can so read that. Right. I gave up on the second line.
I know, let's port to the Duke Nukem 3D engine! Or better, Zork.
On a serious note, has anyone considered ca-3d? It's not finished but looks fairly sweet.
http://www.ca3d-engine.de/c_Features.php
It would probably kill most people's computers though. But I'd like it. SPECULARITY! BUMP MAPPING!
It looks cool I would support that. :) I just scanned the site but it looks like they've at least released a version. Of course I know it would be very difficult to this, so we would probably have to wait till 1.3 at least.
EDIT: some of it looks good, other parts...
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This topic turned somehow into a flame war.
I guess this is the reason why some interesting topics are now closed.
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On a serious note, has anyone considered ca-3d? It's not finished but looks fairly sweet.
http://www.ca3d-engine.de/c_Features.php
Interesting, but there is just one teeny weeny lil' problem: It's a proprietary engine.
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It looks cool I would support that. :) I just scanned the site but it looks like they've at least released a version. Of course I know it would be very difficult to this, so we would probably have to wait till 1.3 at least.
EDIT: some of it looks good, other parts...
Porting Trem to a new engine would probably make it version 2. It would be a very big change after all.
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It looks cool I would support that. :) I just scanned the site but it looks like they've at least released a version. Of course I know it would be very difficult to this, so we would probably have to wait till 1.3 at least.
EDIT: some of it looks good, other parts...
But what about maps and editors? If you port the game to a new engine you have to ask yourself if the new engine can be adapted in order to run the old maps, and if there are dedicated level editors for the new engine.
I would stick with Q3. It is old, but it serves more than well and runs perfectly in old computers. You don't really need "state of the art" graphics with real time shadows, specular maps, bump maps and all that luxuries.
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Ya I know it probably won't happen, but hey, a man can dream! :)
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id Tech 3 is OPEN SOURCE, a MIGHTY FINE GAME ENGINE and is VERY, VERY COMPATIBLE!!!
WE DO NOT NEED A NEW ENGINE! ESPECIALLY THE FUCKING SOURCE ENGINE!
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id Tech 3 is OPEN SOURCE, a MIGHTY FINE GAME ENGINE and is VERY, VERY COMPATIBLE!!!
WE DO NOT NEED A NEW ENGINE! ESPECIALLY THE FUCKING SOURCE ENGINE!
I'll quote this just so people cannot miss it, and add that I think this is the first truly smart remark you ever made on these forums. Very good.
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id Tech 3 is OPEN SOURCE, a MIGHTY FINE GAME ENGINE and is VERY, VERY COMPATIBLE!!!
WE DO NOT NEED A NEW ENGINE! ESPECIALLY THE FUCKING SOURCE ENGINE!
Ya lets get that engine!!!!
sorry, it was waaay to tempting.
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If we could make a nice punch-line out of it, we might be able to fool most people into thinking that Tremulous 'switched' to id Tech 3 and generate a lot of publicity!
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Yaa..! ;D We've already switched Trem to id tech 3, so donate more money and who knows what we will be able to do?