Tremulous Forum
General => Feedback => Topic started by: blood2.0 on April 28, 2008, 10:26:39 pm
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its simple but might work make it so turrets shoot at aliens even if there is a human standing in between them that way humans who camp get killed by there own base :)
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Firstly, humans camp *behind* their defenses. Secondly, this will allow the aliens to kill the humans by simply running around their base. To conclude: that is a crap idea.
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A good way to stop campers is to force them to read every blood2.0 post. They will never camp again.
A good way to stop campers is to force them to read every blood2.0 post. They will never breathe again.
woot retroactive quoting
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A good way to stop campers is to force them to read every blood2.0 post. They will never breathe again.
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Technical solutions to social problems...
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Aw, stop bullying blood. I admit it was a stupid idea, but give the blood a break. :D
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Blood needs bullying.
That way he will be faced with the hard realities and seriousness of forums such as this, and be forced into less stupid behaviour.
MWAHAh
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You don't think the same could work for paradox, could it?
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Nah, im immune.
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Ok, let's try being on- topic here, I feel a lil' bad about this.
Sometimes humans have to defend, (well, most of the time, really) having the turrets shooting your ass while doing this would just be so annoying that I would instantly quit playing.
Dunno if others think the same, but that's my reason for not liking it atleast. :p
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So, you want to punish those players who were attacking the alien base? They run back to with low health and ammo, just to die because there is a dretch chasing behind them and their turrets shoot them instead. GENIUS!
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My best advice for keeping humans from camping in a (smaller) public game is just to not evolve. S1 humans will almost always puss out if there is a goon in play. If you just hoard evos and dretch from the hall in atcs all game, eventually humans get s3, grow a pair and all charge the hall together, at which point you run back thru base, and goon/rant their empty base from the middle.
There are probably better ways, but that's what I do.
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Most people don't even know what camping is, so this whole discussion is pretty useless. Most people start to whine about campers at the completely wrong moments. If you don't like campers, you have two choices:
You either go and get them and smear them all over their own camping spot,
or
you just say Fuck All and go smoke a cig while watching some telly.
I suggest the latter, it's better for your blood pressure.
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Of course, if you can stop feeding a group of campers, eventually they'll become curious about what happened to their easy creds/evos and venture out of their bunker, at which point you tear them to shreds.
Alternatively, feed them to s3 and cross your fingers, they're likely to leave the base but you might not last long if you've been concentrating on feeding and bitching about campers, rather than building your own base...
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A good way to stop campers is to force them to read every blood2.0 post. They will never camp again.
A good way to stop campers is to force them to read every blood2.0 post. They will never breathe again.
woot retroactive quoting
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TBH, I have yet to see a fair complaint of camping coming from alien team. All I've seen is aliens whinneing about humans not feeding them, but at the moments some humans really camp (don't attack when human team is stronger) aliens never complaint of human camping ;)
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Jal. I think the main issue isn't whether complaints about campers are legit or not...
The reason people get upset about camping, imo, is that it's one big fucking waste of time. I'll admit, I have a pretty short attention span, which is why I play video games. To join a videogame like Tremulous that I'd like to play, only to find I've wasted half an hour of my time waiting for the humans to "finish building" just doesn't do it for me.
I don't care if it's a legit complaint or not... I'm still going to complain about having my time wasted. Or if I'm on humans and my team is camping, I get yelled at occasionally for "feeding" because I have to leave the base alone since the rest of my team is full of pussies. Winning is really a very small part of it. I complain about campers because they fucking suck the fun out of a game when I'm already trying to blow off steam.
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Jal. I think the main issue isn't whether complaints about campers are legit or not...
The reason people get upset about camping, imo, is that it's one big fucking waste of time. I'll admit, I have a pretty short attention span, which is why I play video games. To join a videogame like Tremulous that I'd like to play, only to find I've wasted half an hour of my time waiting for the humans to "finish building" just doesn't do it for me.
I don't care if it's a legit complaint or not... I'm still going to complain about having my time wasted. Or if I'm on humans and my team is camping, I get yelled at occasionally for "feeding" because I have to leave the base alone since the rest of my team is full of pussies. Winning is really a very small part of it. I complain about campers because they fucking suck the fun out of a game when I'm already trying to blow off steam.
If you just want to shoot shit go play Urban Terror or another FPS. There's a lot less camping there. Trem is a much more strategical. If you just ignore the tactical part of the game because you don't want to sit in base for a while, then you are playing the wrong game. Many people play trem because it is different than other FPS games. It requires much more teamwork. You can call strategical campers pussies all you want. I'll call you a moron for not understanding how the game is played.
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Play the game with me, then accuse me of not thinking through my play.
Tactics is all I have... anyone will tell you my aim is lacking. There is nothing strategic about s3 human chainsuits (glorified turrets) sitting in their base against a flood of s1 dretches. When I join late in a game like that (as I often do) it pisses me off to sit around twiddling my thumbs for 6 minutes just to get a goon, only to lose it the second I pop my head into the human base.
Play to win. People put too much weight on their killcount. Noobs think they're the shit because they can sit there all game picking up easy kills with from the relative safety of their base.
I play games to play them, but more and more often now I join a game and just leave my dretch sitting behind the Overmind, run down the street for some coffee, pick up a newspaper and come back to find the base is fine, humans haven't moved, and I finally have enough evos to make a dent.
That is pathetic, my friend.
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I join a game and just leave my dretch sitting behind the Overmind, run down the street for some coffee, pick up a newspaper and come back to find the base is fine, humans haven't moved, and I finally have enough evos to make a dent.
That's what i call tactics. If i have enough cash when human at s3, i forgot about my campers, and just run around trying to see how far i get away from H base before dying or having to return for hp XD
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Play the game with me, then accuse me of not thinking through my play.
Tactics is all I have... anyone will tell you my aim is lacking. There is nothing strategic about s3 human chainsuits (glorified turrets) sitting in their base against a flood of s1 dretches. When I join late in a game like that (as I often do) it pisses me off to sit around twiddling my thumbs for 6 minutes just to get a goon, only to lose it the second I pop my head into the human base.
Play to win. People put too much weight on their killcount. Noobs think they're the shit because they can sit there all game picking up easy kills with from the relative safety of their base.
I play games to play them, but more and more often now I join a game and just leave my dretch sitting behind the Overmind, run down the street for some coffee, pick up a newspaper and come back to find the base is fine, humans haven't moved, and I finally have enough evos to make a dent.
That is pathetic, my friend.
You only talk about one instance of camping. I don't approve of camping when you have the upper hand either. However, if there are a crapload of goons and tyrants vs a human team with low credits, I will not fault my team for wanting turret help. I may linger near base when the aliens are looking ahead, but once the dretches start flooding in with little upper class aliens showing, then its time to start pushing forward. Camping is part of the game's strategy. Yes, it can be used incorrectly, but it can also be used for the purpose of helping your goal of killing the other team as well.
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Jal. I think the main issue isn't whether complaints about campers are legit or not...
The reason people get upset about camping, imo, is that it's one big fucking waste of time.
Nah, the reason why people complaint of camping is cause they want to be fed. Here is a golden rule when playing Trem: If aliens complaint of camping Humans are doing a good job.
And this is funny when who says it is someone who always plays human cause he finds playing alien too campish ;)
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Most people don't even know what camping is, so this whole discussion is pretty useless. Most people start to whine about campers at the completely wrong moments. If you don't like campers, you have two choices:
You either go and get them and smear them all over their own camping spot,
or
you just say Fuck All and go smoke a cig while watching some telly.
I suggest the latter, it's better for your blood pressure.
It's your lungs I'd be worrying about...
Also, I wouldn't want blood to be banned... We'd all miss him.
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I know I wouldn't.
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I would. I see myself in him. How he tries to be funny but instead earns the hate of those he tries to entertain. *sniff*
EDIT:
Notice how we talk about him like a project...xD
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In my expert opinion, the best way to stop campers is to have moving floors, walls and ceilings. If everything shifts around there is no way for campers to establish a secure spot to hide behind.
Problem solved, you may thank me later.
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Having a map like the harry potter castle, ever changing WOULD be simply genious!
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In my expert opinion, the best way to stop campers is to have moving floors, walls and ceilings. If everything shifts around there is no way for campers to establish a secure spot to hide behind.
Problem solved, you may thank me later.
This seems slightly familiar.... ;)
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ZOMG! Genius! Pure genius!
Are you just posting to read your own writing?
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ZOMG! Genius! Pure genius!
Are you just posting to read your own writing?
ZOMG ITS WHO. That guy who is around for friendly advice and to stalk the devs!
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ZOMG! Genius! Pure genius!
Are you just posting to read your own writing?
ZOMG ITS WHO. That guy who is around for friendly advice and to stalk the devs!
Even his avatar looks legendary! =D
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You only talk about one instance of camping. I don't approve of camping when you have the upper hand either. However, if there are a crapload of goons and tyrants vs a human team with low credits, I will not fault my team for wanting turret help. I may linger near base when the aliens are looking ahead, but once the dretches start flooding in with little upper class aliens showing, then its time to start pushing forward. Camping is part of the game's strategy. Yes, it can be used incorrectly, but it can also be used for the purpose of helping your goal of killing the other team as well.
And of course I agree 100%. Jal's attitude about camping got under my skin, and brought this frequent scenario to mind. I didn't mean to be generalizing on the entire concept. Obviously some human defense of a base is required.
However.
@Jal: Your "golden rule" is as fucking pathetic as your intellect. Leaving your base doesn't automatically make you a feeder... in fact it's the only way to win (ie: killing the enemy's spawns). While I agree with Equi that playing intelligently can/should include some base defense, this Jal prick is preaching straight up, total campage. Which is exactly what my issue was with.
Jal, try going to a good server with good players and just spectate a bit. What I think you will find is that the better players rarely camp (scrims as exception) and can throw up a passable base in under 3 minutes. Teamwork is pretty important for humans, especially for players who haven't gotten very good yet. Try getting a friend to play with you, you might be suprised to find that 2 of you with pretty much any gun (helm+armor) can take out a good player's goon if you just work together. Even without any turret help.
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Unless the goon is a killwhore and you cant dodge. :D
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You only talk about one instance of camping. I don't approve of camping when you have the upper hand either. However, if there are a crapload of goons and tyrants vs a human team with low credits, I will not fault my team for wanting turret help. I may linger near base when the aliens are looking ahead, but once the dretches start flooding in with little upper class aliens showing, then its time to start pushing forward. Camping is part of the game's strategy. Yes, it can be used incorrectly, but it can also be used for the purpose of helping your goal of killing the other team as well.
And of course I agree 100%. Jal's attitude about camping got under my skin, and brought this frequent scenario to mind. I didn't mean to be generalizing on the entire concept. Obviously some human defense of a base is required.
LOL, you didn't understand my post at all. I didn't say I stayed in base (in fact I did say the opposite), but that aliens complaint of camping when they feel they are loosing, but that doesn't mean humans are camping ;)
I don't remember the last time I saw humans camping, tbh. I do see camping complaints everyday, but don't see camping. It's ridiculous to the point that I've read camping complains when I just took down their eggs.
Actually, many aliens have a more campish attitude than humans. They sit behind their corner and think that humans have the obligation to go there to feed them, and if humans choose to go elsewhere, they complaint of humans camping instead of stop camping themselves. This is what leads to that typical situation of seeing camping complaints while attacking aliens base.
And obviously I don't need to go seeing "the good players" as I'm good enough myself.
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What I've seen for the past 2 years i've been playing trem is that in the beginning of the game, both teams rush each other and try to kill anything or anyone. Then about 5-10 minutes into the game, some alien(s) get a dragoon or a few and start beheading the humans one by one and people start to settle. Humans instantly become very protective of their base. Then, some group of humans decide that the path is safe and start their way to the alien base but to their demise, a goon jumps out of nowhere and eats them up. Eventually, that goon gets full of evo's and starts sharing to others. Now the aliens have multiple goons or maras and they crowd around exits of the humans' base. They wait for those heads to turn the corner and eat them up in less than 3 seconds. Now the humans are pressed down and can't do anything but step outside and feed. This is the part where most alien players say Campers! or Noob Campers or something in that respect. Here is the divide of camping and being pressed. You can press these humans so that they have no choice but to stay in their base and not feed or they can feed like idiots. Where this is different from camping is that camping is when the aliens aren't right outside the human base and they're not just waiting there. Camping for humans is basically when they have a chance to do something and don't want to do it due to fear of dying and losing credits or just being an idiot and staying in base. Aliens can camp as well in the same manner where humans get s3 and start attacking but in most cases, the aliens will just lose to the high firepower of the humans.
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Camping: It's not just for Humans.
(http://www.scoutshop.biz/funbadges/camping.jpg)
We'll leave a light on for ya....
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Player1 do you keep a stock of those badges at home for times like these?
(I feel as if I've seen hundreds. :P )
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What I've seen for the past 2 years i've been playing trem is that in the beginning of the game, both teams rush each other and try to kill anything or anyone. Then about 5-10 minutes into the game, some alien(s) get a dragoon or a few and start beheading the humans one by one and people start to settle. Humans instantly become very protective of their base. Then, some group of humans decide that the path is safe and start their way to the alien base but to their demise, a goon jumps out of nowhere and eats them up. Eventually, that goon gets full of evo's and starts sharing to others. Now the aliens have multiple goons or maras and they crowd around exits of the humans' base. They wait for those heads to turn the corner and eat them up in less than 3 seconds. Now the humans are pressed down and can't do anything but step outside and feed. This is the part where most alien players say Campers! or Noob Campers or something in that respect. Here is the divide of camping and being pressed. You can press these humans so that they have no choice but to stay in their base and not feed or they can feed like idiots. Where this is different from camping is that camping is when the aliens aren't right outside the human base and they're not just waiting there. Camping for humans is basically when they have a chance to do something and don't want to do it due to fear of dying and losing credits or just being an idiot and staying in base. Aliens can camp as well in the same manner where humans get s3 and start attacking but in most cases, the aliens will just lose to the high firepower of the humans.
Thus why share is the cause of all camping.
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David: Wrong.
If one human manages to kill a dragoon, then gets cash, buys armor, and kills another goon, his/her bank account would be max, while the teammates would be still flat out 0. If share was enabled, that human could share cash with others, and thus allow humans out of their base, without feeding.
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Bull shit.
It takes well over 2 goons to fill your bank, and the whole point of humans is TEAM WORK. If you all go you all get your creds.
The game is balanced for non-share, what with share being a mod.
Have you ever even played on a non-modded server with 12-16 players?
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2 goons when those goons have repeatedly been eating your teammates, while getting filled with lead. From what i've seen, once a killwhore goes down, loads of cash bursts out. And yes, i've played on nonmodded servers. It sucks when only one guy has 2000 and the rest are naked. They would camp, while the one guy would have to do all the work by himself, as to avoid feeding the other team due to having no upgrades.
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2 goons dont fill. ktnxbai.
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once a killwhore goes down, loads of cash bursts out
wat.
No, it doesn't work like that. At all.
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once a killwhore goes down, loads of cash bursts out
wat.
No, it doesn't work like that. At all.
Lol, it's a Piñata!
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once a killwhore goes down, loads of cash bursts out
wat.
No, it doesn't work like that. At all.
Lol, it's a Piñata!
If candy came out that might stop people from camping.. How can you sit on a turret and camp when you are all hopped up on sugar?!
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once a killwhore goes down, loads of cash bursts out
wat.
No, it doesn't work like that. At all.
Lol, it's a Piñata!
If candy came out that might stop people from camping.. How can you sit on a turret and camp when you are all hopped up on sugar?!
Then people are going to whine about humans feeding. People will always find something to complaint about.
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Player1 do you keep a stock of those badges at home for times like these?
(I feel as if I've seen hundreds. :P )
(http://www.scoutshop.biz/funbadges/S1927-thank-you.jpg)
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I wish there was more reasons for running across the map than just attacking the enemy base.
I have always imagined a system where the land a team covers and occupies, the more resources they can get. When the enemy covers the same area, then they start to gain resources instead of the other team. Never tried to take it any further but some motivation to leave the base would be better.
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The fact that the enemy spawns are not in your base is more than enough motivation to leave your base.
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If humans didn't camp, Tremulous wouldn't be Tremulous.
Stop bitching and get back to playing...
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If the humans or aliens didn't camp, Tremulous wouldn't be Tremulous.
Fixed.
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Rare is the game where Aliens camp properly.
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temple: Play domination.
Kaleo: Most games aliens are nearer to camping than the humans are.
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Kaleo, Kaleo, I will be back, and I will be back with vengeance.
Just kidding but despite people camping we still enjoy playing Tremulous right? So why are we you whining?
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Firstly, humans camp *behind* their defenses. Secondly, this will allow the aliens to kill the humans by simply running around their base. To conclude: that is a crap idea.
sorry but i have to agree with Taiyo.uk on this one
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its simple but might work make it so turrets shoot at aliens even if there is a human standing in between them that way humans who camp get killed by there own base :)
1.that happened to me before on the 1 of the obby course servers
2.a way to make them come out from behind it,make a mod with turret recoil
*shoot**bang*
ie: :turret: :human:OH GOD ME FACE
or how in old western movies,the way the magnum's recoil is upwards kinda,why not turrets?
:human:OH **** ME BA***
:turret:
P.S.I put the *'s because i thought i would get banned again :-\
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I dont give a fuck if you swear, just dont be a stupid user.
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We don't care if you make it say OH FUCK ME BALLS, it's easy to guess so why not just say it?
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I dont give a fuck if you swear, just dont be a stupid user.
hey,ive been banned twice in less then 3 weeks,im taking NO risks
We don't care if you make it say OH FUCK ME BALLS, it's easy to guess so why not just say it?
my 5 year old bro was watchin me post.....he wouldnt go away,so.....yeah.
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Oh...
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my 5 year old bro was watchin me post.....he wouldnt go away,so.....yeah.
Your 5 year old brother can read well enough to recognize the words 'Fuck' and 'Balls'?
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You'd be surprised...
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my 5 year old bro was watchin me post.....he wouldnt go away,so.....yeah.
Your 5 year old brother can read well enough to recognize the words 'Fuck' and 'Balls'?
he started reading at 3 yrs old,also he may not know what they mean he'll go ask his mom and it'd all be bad.also he wanted me to read it out to him>_<
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Yikes... Well, I suppose that answered my unasked questions.
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Sound like a bad idea
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Sound like a bad idea
Necky-row
Necro.
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Oh like anyone really minds... it was totally worth it, if only to bring this excellent quote back to mind:
Your 5 year old brother can read well enough to recognize the words 'Fuck' and 'Balls'?
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I'm sorely tempted to sig that one.
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It's been done before. :P
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What would be wrong with charging people to reload big weapons, like the P rifle, chain, or Luci? Just maybe 50 credits per reload so people don't just spam spam spam them out of their base? It makes sense for the grenade but why not those (especially the luci).
I know people would say 'OMG that would suck'...well so does spammers and campers.
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And when you're out of money to purchase a reload, then what?
Charge in and kill their whole base with a blaster? What would the balance version be for aliens... they lose health if they stand still, but regen while moving?
Cute idea, but impractical.
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And when you're out of money to purchase a reload, then what?
Sell your weapon, get another.
Stop spamming.
Kill something.
Actually accomplish something other than delaying the game.
The balance for aliens would be suiciding your rant into the campers' base, like they always end up doing.
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Or, would having to pay to reload force players to camp even harder so they could afford to buy ammo?
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Or, would having to pay to reload force players to camp even harder so they could afford to buy ammo?
Nothing is going to stop camping. Lets make it less attractive. And I didn't say all weapons, just the expensive ones. No one cares about rifle, lasgun, or shotgun 'spam'. Its people that sit in the base and fire off the P rifle, luci, and some degree chain that ruin the flow of a game.
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Remove timed credits/evo's and credit sharing. It may not prevent camping, but it should prevent camping players from affording more annoying weapons.
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I suggest we remove all players and replace them with bots.
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I suggest we remove all players and replace them with bots.
Bots camp too!
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I suggest we remove all players and replace them with bots.
Bots camp too!
They don't make shitty threads about how to stop camping though!
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I suggest we remove all players and replace them with bots.
Bots camp too!
They don't make shitty threads about how to stop camping though!
Of course, in the future, since bots will have much-improved AI, perhaps they will each have forum personalities, also.
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I suggest we remove all players and replace them with bots.
Bots camp too!
They don't make shitty threads about how to stop camping though!
Of course, in the future, since bots will have much-improved AI, perhaps they will each have forum personalities, also.
Now that would make a horror movie beyond all horror movies...
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the only way to stop campers is to set up police checkpoints, or just shoot them all
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um yeah that would kill the non campers going out to battle
I suggest we remove all players and replace them with bots.
Bots camp too!
They don't make shitty threads about how to stop camping though!
Of course, in the future, since bots will have much-improved AI, perhaps they will each have forum personalities, also.
Now that would make a horror movie beyond all horror movies...
riight
its simple but might work make it so turrets shoot at aliens even if there is a human standing in between them that way humans who camp get killed by there own base :)
um yeah that would kill the non campers going out to battle and in no way help anti camping efforts
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its simple but might work make it so turrets shoot at aliens even if there is a human standing in between them that way humans who camp get killed by there own base :)
um yeah that would kill the non campers going out to battle and in no way help anti camping efforts
Dude, blood2.0's idea has already been beaten up and pissed on. There's no need to humiliate it even more.
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(http://www.scoutshop.biz/funbadges/s245.jpg)
Campers. Just kill them all and rape their base already. And stop talking about it, please.
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Campers. Just kill them all and rape their base already. And stop talking about it, please.
KTHXBAI