Tremulous Forum
Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: Tycho on May 04, 2008, 09:28:01 pm
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*** Pics soon as I get to upload them from my friends phone. ***
We just saw Tremulous boxed and on the selves in a Tesco hypermarket here in hungary for 1990HUF - they are takeing money for freeware.
I'm also thinking of sending a mail to the 'national consumer-protection authority' (don't know how to properly translate the name of 'Nemzeti Fogyasztóvédelmi hatóság' so pls get over it...) and to a well known blog that is themed around these sort of mischiefs...
Am I stupid or this is the proper action take (as a shocked and appalled customer) ?
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oh lol, they made a box and everything?
but no they arent doing anything wrong, legally, and morally i say good luck to them.
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yeah they made...
So technically it is legal for them to sell Tremulous? Some GPL expert could show up here :-[
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Pics or it didn't happen!
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Does the GPL allow me to sell copies of the program for money?
Yes, the GPL allows everyone to do this. The right to sell copies is part of the definition of free software. Except in one special situation, there is no limit on what price you can charge. (The one exception is the required written offer to provide source code that must accompany binary-only release.)
Does the GPL allow me to require that anyone who receives the software must pay me a fee and/or notify me?
No. In fact, a requirement like that would make the program non-free. If people have to pay when they get a copy of a program, or if they have to notify anyone in particular, then the program is not free. See the definition of free software.
The GPL is a free software license, and therefore it permits people to use and even redistribute the software without being required to pay anyone a fee for doing so.
But also..
Can I release a modified version of a GPL-covered program in binary form only?
No. The whole point of the GPL is that all modified versions must be free software—which means, in particular, that the source code of the modified version is available to the users.
I downloaded just the binary from the net. If I distribute copies, do I have to get the source and distribute that too?
Yes. The general rule is, if you distribute binaries, you must distribute the complete corresponding source code too. The exception for the case where you received a written offer for source code is quite limited.
I want to distribute binaries via physical media without accompanying sources. Can I provide source code by FTP?
Version 3 of the GPL allows this; see option 6(b) for the full details. Under version 2, you're certainly free to offer source via FTP, and most users will get it from there. However, if any of them would rather get the source on physical media by mail, you are required to provide that.
If you distribute binaries via FTP, you should distribute source via FTP.
And please.. pics! :P
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So legally they are ok if they have the sourcecode available on their disks or they give a working link for you to download it from - but technically they are selling a program that is freely downloadable and only playable online... ::) It's still worthy for that blog. :D
Pics as soon as my friend gets home and uploads them on his pendrive and get's back to my place tomorrow same time as today... 8) So be patient. I don't have bluetooth and he doesn't have net. :(
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NICE! XD
I really want to see the boxart! :D
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Need. Pics. Nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. (Please :3)
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£6.22 - seems cheap, however anyone who doesnt like the idea could piss Tesco off some if they're not providing the source code on the CD, by requesting they send it in the mail free as an extra :P
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Get a sharpie and write http://tremulous.net across every box.
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Get a sharpie and write http://tremulous.net across every box.
Too bad hungarian security guards are just thugs in uniform... They'd beat me into a pulp for it until I give in and buy all the boxes I wrote on... :(
The boxard is kind of lame... The rear is traditional text with screenshots. As soon as I get the pictures I'll upload them and give a full translation of the text :D
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Wait google is telling me tesco is in Malaysia?
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Yeah, 'cos google is retarded. Use yahoo. =D
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Nowai! Yahoo is for porn!
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No it isn't. Thats alltheweb.
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I assume only the Hungarian Tesco? Because the Tesco hypermarkets in Malaysia are not selling any kind of video games.
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Malaysia has hypermarkets?
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Fuck Hungary for being smarter than you and trying to make money this way! It's uncalled for in the Western world!
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(http://kepfeltoltes.pirateclub.hu/thumbs/20080505193434DSC00023.JPG) (http://kepfeltoltes.pirateclub.hu/pics/20080505193434DSC00023.JPG)
(http://kepfeltoltes.pirateclub.hu/thumbs/20080505193434DSC00024.JPG) (http://kepfeltoltes.pirateclub.hu/pics/20080505193434DSC00024.JPG)
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Well I must say they made a pretty good job.
Also, I didn't know dretches where made of steel.
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They should hire the guy who did that artwork.
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I wished they had used a trem-related image on the front.. that was kinda dissapointing :(
Still cool to see anything tremulous-ish in the real world 8)
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Very Awesome.
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Lol, why DVD rom, are just 100 MB...
They really like the money :P
Btw, that isnt a dretch, maybe he copypasted a image from a designer/another game.
What says in the backside? lol
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Thats a new alien upcoming in 1.2, called a Cyber Dretch.
Another upcoming alien will be the Teknolisk
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Thats a new alien upcoming in 1.2, called a Cyber Dretch.
Another upcoming alien will be the Teknolisk
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FAIL
Is not funny :P
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Sure ;)
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"The software moulds fps with certain strategy elements. Some of the players are builders who build the base and defend it. They are responsible for the upgrades (lol wut??) and they provide a safe place to respawn. The fighters must defend their bases or attack their enemies.
The game can be played on the internet and on LAN with other players. (no shit Sherlock?!) Players can choose from the human and the alien race."
Exact translation for you ;D
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Lesson of the day: Don't buy stuff from Hungary (:
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kthxbai
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Well, that must be writed by someone who played like 1 day :P
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Lesson of the day: Don't buy stuff from Hungary (:
let me fix that for you: avoid Hungarian Tesco/Auchan/Media Markt like the plague...
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Lesson of the day: Don't buy stuff from Hungary (:
let me fix that for you: avoid Hungarian Tesco/Auchan/Media Markt like the plague...
Lemme fix that for you: Dont buy anything from hungaria (=
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Wow, that box art is hawt. It actually looks like a real buyable game. XD Although the font "Tremulous" is in on the front sucks.
Oh, and that metal thing? It's a dragoon who's eaten too much lead. :3
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Lame to gain money from a game you took on the net...
I would not apreciate it if i were the dev team
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Lame to gain money from a game you took on the net...
I would not apreciate it if i were the dev team
Then the Devs should not have used the GPL license.
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Dont you think it's odd that this license give the right to sell what everyone did?
Someone take it and sell it without even made it.
If it's free for everyone, it should be everywhere and no one would make profit.
Bah it's only what i think, i have nothing to complain for, it's only my opinion.
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Hmm, someone should go take the game, and carry around a copy of the GPL license. Show them that it is legally free.
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Ya, GPL is teh Jesus of the software licenses
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I just want to know who is dumb enough to pay money for it. Maybe I'm an odd case, but I don't make impulse purchases, if I see a game that looks kinda cool, I look it up to see what other people thought of it, and if it really is worth the cash I'll be spending on it. Or I torrent it first to try it, then buy the legal copy if I like it.
Really, it's only the impulse shoppers that will get screwed by this... and they probably have it coming for being so naive.
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Ah. I was hoping the cover would be a pouncing Dragoon. That would be awesome.
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Nah, only a steel-made-of-Spider not related to the game itself...
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Ya, GPL is teh Jesus of the software licenses
It's obvious that you spent as much effort into this post as you did creating that wallpaper.
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Ya, GPL is teh Jesus of the software licenses
It's obvious that you spent as much effort into this post as you did creating that wallpaper.
No shit.
Let me file that under the shit I allready know.
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No shit.
Let me file that under the shit I allready know.
You have some anger issues you should be working on. Right now.
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No shit.
Let me file that under the shit I allready know.
You have some anger issues you should be working on. Right now.
Yes daddy.
On it.
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I just smelled my balls.
They smell like....
..Nitrox. :D
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Trem being under GPL now is kind of sad... They could have demanded a lot of money if the product was theirs.. :(
But then again, we would't have had an AWESOME and FREE game to play, so I am self contradicting, twisting my head in several directions at the same time.
Boom!
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I'd better go start selling burned copies on the street! xD
Lol, that really is kinda funny, though. :D
Ages 10+? ;P
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I just smelled my balls.
They smell like....
..Nitrox. :D
/----> on topic:
Trem being under GPL now is kind of sad... They could have demanded a lot of money if the product was theirs.. :(
But then again, we would't have had an AWESOME and FREE game to play, so I am self contradicting, twisting my head in several directions at the same time.
Boom!
No wonder you enjoy smelling your balls
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Just shuddup, and get back on, erm, off-topic. ;)
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Well who ever provided tesco with those boxes need to be shot, hanged, drawn, and quartered. Preferably while still alive. Then maybe skinned alive and dumped in a vat full of salt <3
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If it's on a DVD it probably includes maps, and some of those probably have different licenses... in short, depending on what maps may be packaged with it, they could be sued.
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If they were smart they would only include stock maps, which is easier any ways. Plus afaik most Tremulous maps are realesed under the gpl. And even if they weren't, I doubt the map makers would bother to sue them. In short, they look pretty safe.
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What's this bullshit about Tremulous being under the GPL?
The code, binaries, and qvms are licensed under the GNU General Public License 2. That license is about publicizing software. It says that you may not change the license, and if you make modifications to the software, and distribute it, you must provide the changes in source form too. There is not a single word about using the content commercially, and "selling" the code is explicitly allowed: "You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee."
Textures, maps, models, animations, sounds, music, etc. are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 license. That license is used for non-programmable art. As with the GPL, you can make money with CC'd content.
I don't know what to say about licensing art under the GPL (is it even possible?). Since the GPL states that you must include sources to all your distributions, if you release maps under the GPL, you must also give its sources out too.
Also, a lot of map .pk3s don't contain any licensing information, which means that you are allowed to use it for whatever you want. If the file was at some point distributed with a license, I believe it is the liability of the entity that broke the chain.
Then the Devs should not have used the GPL license.
That is just plain invalid! Nobody has "chosen" that license. People can borrow GPL'd and CC'd content, which is a opportunity for the Devs to create something. It's not that the Devs decided to give their own work out like that. If they owned the content, they would have permission to rerelease it under any license.
What about the BSD license? It's 2 sentences long: you may not remove the copyright, and you must reproduce the copyright. (Interpretation: if you redistribute copies of the software, please give the author some credit.) And the BSD guys DO provide polished code for free and their intent is to make it available for commercial use.
PS: Knowledge is power and is to be respected. If someone does not know anything about copyleft licenses, then let them pay for Tremulous.
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http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/
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I don't see why this is a problem, as a number of people have already pointed out, the license under which Trem is released allows for its resale. Just think of this as a neat way to expand the reach of the trem community, i would probably grumble a little if the price were extortionate, though i suppose it might be considered such for a game with no single player content but then no one seems to mind these days *coughWOWcough*, for just over 6 quid it's not too bad. I'd love to see tesco offering more Free and open source software at reasonable prices, it would do a lot to help marketshare.
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Thread of the year. Thanks, Tycho :D
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In my opinion, it's simply a matter of morals. You want to "Legally" distribute someone else's work without compensation? Fine. But I'll choose not to.
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When I've imagined a Tremulous boxed version, I always imagined that it'd be something simple and classy, ala the Quake series box art. Not that the people that produced this box would have really cared much about aesthetics. I imagine that cover art is just a swiped piece of art from somewhere off the internet with a cruddy title font added in Photoshop.
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People who know that this game is some open-source FPS who sell it when they don't even own it wouldn't spend so much time/effort into stuff like that.
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Surely they have to have some sort of credit/contact details on the box, which would inevitably lead people to this site where they would see it's free, though? :-\ . That's it, let's all go and camp in the supermarket and bleed the customers!
Edit: Oh, and I get to decon the checkouts!
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Nowai! Yahoo is for porn!
Oh my god, I feel the same way. Just as an experiment, go to Yahoo! images and type in random.
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Nowai! Yahoo is for porn!
Oh my god, I feel the same way. Just as an experiment, go to Yahoo! images and type in random.
+1 for the offtopic and necro.
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Nowai! Yahoo is for porn!
Oh my god, I feel the same way. Just as an experiment, go to Yahoo! images and type in random.
Ah, a beautifully executed thread necro 8)
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as much as i am morrally opposed to it i reckon the guys that have done this are great. you have to say its a great scam but if i found who it was....
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OMFG NECRO.
Ahem.
You're about half a year behind the times.
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This is why SMF needs a sink function.