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Media => Other Tremulous Media => Topic started by: Nux on May 17, 2008, 12:22:45 am
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Feedback please!
These are experimentative sketches of what the dragoon could look like with a more realistic style.
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5094/dragoon2on5.jpg) ______ Cow meets alien
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2975/dragng6.jpg) ______ Alien meets another alien... not very cow like
Only heads so far. I don't really want to add anything till I've had feedback.
Plus any drawings of your own would be welcome (so long as they're good ;))
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Good drawings, they're... interesting. ;)
My drawing with a less realistic style...
(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1417/picture003au3.jpg)____ Dretch meets low resolution black icon
edit: for those of you who don't get it (probably people using Macs), this is the default icon for Tremulous on Linux and Windows...
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Sorry, I don't get the idea of realistic Aliens. Nice drawining nontheless.
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Thanks =)
The idea is to give dragoons a 'make-over'. It won't necessarily make them more goon-like, it's more of an attempt to add details and shape changes while still keeping it recognizable as a goon.
When I said realistic I wasn't saying aliens are realistic :P I just mean that goons as they are would seem plastic and not very organic if copy and pasted onto a photo of some real world setting. This is an attempt at making something that would fit better on a photo.
So what I want is comments and suggestions about what looks more goon-like, or how it 'should' look but doesn't yet.
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I understand, I was just trying to say I like the cartoony style better without actually saying it.
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I don't mind you being frank with me ^^ I wouldn't think of these creations as 'true goons' anyway :P The true goon is right there in-game in all it's pointy glory.
Though, if it's cartoony you want..
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3199/chefgoonva7.jpg) _______ Dog meets chef hat... So it doesn't look much like a goon, it took half a minute to draw x)
By the way superpie, nice drawing ^^ it's more realistic than you think, all it needs is a higher resolution :P
EDIT: Better yet
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/460/moods3.jpg) ________ Pen meets toe
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Superpie, I love yours. It brings me back to my childhood. Very moving. :'(
Nux, I like your second to last drawing the most.
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You mean the one that took me the least time to draw? (yes the last one took me longer.. for some reason)
Geez, what's the point in putting effort into it then x(
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you need to have in mind that goons pounce, they need some sort of head structure that protects/damages enemies when it hits.
nice drawings (i dont get the last one tho =P)
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Well, I can tell the first image is a goon, but it doesn't seem quite right.
The second image doesn't remotely resemble a goon.
The "Moo!" image isn't bad, but it seems a little skinny and lanky.
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you need to have in mind that goons pounce, they need some sort of head structure that protects/damages enemies when it hits.
nice drawings (i dont get the last one tho =P)
Good point! I got wrapped up in making it look cow-like that it now looks like a lazy old cow which would look funny pouncing.
I was messing around with the last one >.>
Well, I can tell the first image is a goon, but it doesn't seem quite right.
The second image doesn't remotely resemble a goon.
The "Moo!" image isn't bad, but it seems a little skinny and lanky.
The first might not seem right because of the changes I made (no nose horn, horizontal back neck, position of horns). Otherwise you might think the same as seeker that it wouldn't look right pouncing.
I'm aware the second doesn't look at all like a goon >.> it was a more radical change (You'll notice I stopped drawing early on, in case I was taking a bad direction).
Personally, I think the "Moo!" image IS bad xD but for whatever reason people are taking it seriously. Well It's good to have your comments even on that one =D
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Pouncing cows? For trem? That'd be hilarious. Especially when the dretch/grangers come wanting their milk-food. :3
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The second alien from the first post reminds me of the Predator a bit.
Interesting sketches overall, continue making them. ;)
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(http://bobbin.vilkacis.net/2D/dragoon-head.jpg)
rawr
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W.o.w. Now THATS a dragoon. Suits the stuff out from the Alien movies.
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NICE!
EDIT: Please keep em coming!
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quick sketch...
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii237/seeeker/trem/sketches/somegoonthing.png)
:P
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Did that dragoon squish a poor little granger with it's head? :O
Nice sketch ^^
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Looks like a stegosaurus but nice
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Ok, I'm gonna expand the definition of goon to... this guy.
(http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs26/f/2008/126/0/1/ToughGuy_by_NuxSux.jpg) ______ Hired thug? Trem Soldier? He's a tough guy... that's all that matters.
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(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7686/fatdragoonzr8.jpg) ____ Dragoon meets a great heap of fat
Testing out body shapes.
Updated version:
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6882/fatgoon12.jpg)
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Your last sketch looks like an inverse of what a goon would probably look like in reality. When pouncing, it could utilize its hind legs, which would then need to be considerably oversized to provide enough leverage/muscle power in order to facilitate a long-range jump capability, which the dragoon definitely has. Hence, you could exchange the front pair of legs for the hind one. There is no reason for the front pair of legs to exhibit excessive signs of hypertrophy - after all, the goon doesn't use these to attack, it uses its jaws instead.
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(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/4048/dragsmallervi0.th.jpg) (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dragsmallervi0.jpg)
flying dragoon? :D
ok ok, it's just a dragon. I drew an image I saw online (not traced) because I suck at coming up with one myself and then painted over my pencilwork with my own color scheme. I can say the excruciatingly detailed background was my idea though. :)
here's the original: http://images.elfwood.com/art/j/i/jimmyj/chinese_dragon.jpg.rZd.128097.jpg
aaaaaaaaaaand, eclipse version!!!
(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1199/dragsmallereclipsewh1.th.jpg) (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dragsmallereclipsewh1.jpg)
I don't remember what filter I used in photoshop.
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I guess OverFlow killed this thread by posting a drawing so Goon-like, that the other can only be less. Someone please make an even prettier drawing please! In shades of pink!
Looks like a stegosaurus
A Stegosaurus is considered to have a rather sleek head, instead of the bulky head as shown in the drawing.
(http://satgnu.net/upload/lava/stegosaurus.jpg)
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Your last sketch looks like an inverse of what a goon would probably look like in reality. When pouncing, it could utilize its hind legs, which would then need to be considerably oversized to provide enough leverage/muscle power in order to facilitate a long-range jump capability, which the dragoon definitely has. Hence, you could exchange the front pair of legs for the hind one. There is no reason for the front pair of legs to exhibit excessive signs of hypertrophy - after all, the goon doesn't use these to attack, it uses its jaws instead.
That's a very good point drevo (and gives me ideas for future drawings) but:
1. Though it's not realistic, goons actually do have big front legs compared to the back.
2. This goon is a damn fat goon. He needs not jump! He needs only to stroll over to the nearest burger king.
EDIT:
It doesn't just look like a goon!
(http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/139/conspiracylq1.jpg)
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are you guys doing this stuff on the computer, or drawing it then scanning it?
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On the computer in my case, with GIMP and my new graphics tablet.
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Well, this is my contribution. I was sort of going for a Granger-ish look because, well, you know, Grangers. ;D
(http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1774/concept014zw2.jpg)
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l33t!
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Look's like a chinese dragon, it'd go well with Equi's.
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Nux, don't smear those pencils.
for smearing, try using packaging paper and coal, what can be awesome when practicing enough.
and as you are "mixing" animals to achieve goon heads, try to think about the examples first, like a goon could be a crossing of a turtle with a manta as i imagine, or something like this. check skeletons.
and don'T draw with colors because you can't do as much shades!
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I think Nux was using a tablet.
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ouchie...
i don't remember that much and i turned off pictures because my limited download issues.
anyway, straight contours mixed with blurry stuffs just don't match most of the time.
and when it comes to tablet, don't forget to use the pressure sensitivity (like Stannum :-) ). note that if you connect your tablet while PS is running, it will not recognize pressure settings, you need to restart - as far as i know. and if you make the sketch with searching lines, create a new layer and draw the next phase over that by reducing the original's opacity.
i don't wanna be smartass, i just sucked so hard with graphics that i know if i knew some things earlier i would've saved so much time that i could evolve much quicker.
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Heh thanks for the pointers Opti ;) I personally like the way the shading is on that first one I did. It looks leathery like I wanted it too. The rough edges would be cleaned up if I were take it from a concept sketch level to something more.
Oh and pressure sensitivity is how I made the lighter shades :P
My habit at the moment is not sticking with one project, but I'll try to get back to this one soon enough >.>
Here's a little something:
(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8001/dragondermy3.jpg) _______ Something
Let's just pretend for a second it looks like a goon.
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i recommend to take a look on Feng Zhu(?)'s drawing style as he is an expert and doing many solid concept arts for games.
his main concept is to make very rough sketches in small size and then to make a bigger photocopy of them to work on the details with transparent paper or by scanning it.
for drawing on dark background you should also check the good old frank miller, who is manually creating some cool images in this subject (actually he isn't as he is using ink but the 'rythm' of black and white is something that we can learn of) ... well on his lucky days.
for pressure sensitivity i am also thinking about the thickness of the lines, not only the opacity of them!
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Rough sketch and detail over is very easily done with layers (in software). Use of layers can make things a helluvalot easier since you can change the contrast, brightness and such of only one level of detail. Look here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xothk1Me2Ac) for a good example of layer use.
Many different properties can be changed according to the pressure input. Not only opacity and size of brush but also colour, hardness, step etc.
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Rough sketch and detail over is very easily done with layers (in software). Use of layers can make things a helluvalot easier since you can change the contrast, brightness and such of only one level of detail. Look here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xothk1Me2Ac) for a good example of layer use.
Many different properties can be changed according to the pressure input. Not only opacity and size of brush but also colour, hardness, step etc.
idn if i told it earlier but if you are changing a layer's levels/contrast/Saturation/etc., always use effect layers from the layers menu! by hitting Alt and clicking on an effect layer it drives it to affect only the layer below. this Alt+click was hell a lot help for me and opened a new world in photoshop :-)
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i cant draw but the dragoons mouth should look like this but wider
(http://home.austarnet.com.au/karma2002/tasmania/Tasmanian-Tiger_2.jpg)