Tremulous Forum
General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Agresszor on July 14, 2008, 11:09:11 am
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Hi!
I went in a shop before and i couldn't belive what i seen. Beside the other pc games there was the tremulous game for about 10 euro!! What the hell? I think they didn't pay any money to the trem maker team, but of course i dont know the true, but i think i must warning you! Soo the shop name is INTERSPAR, and located in Hungary. If you know this fact i am sorry for this.
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>_< that's annoying
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wow, so after tesco, interspar also got the freedom spirit in hungary.
i am thinkink some kind of sticker that i could stick to the shelves, like "this software is free to download at www.tremulous.net". would it harm any laws...? i doN't think so...
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That would be illegal unless they are only putting a price on the distribution of the game, you should buy a copy to see if it comes with the GPL info and such, otherwise you can be like us Americans and sue them!
On eBay I find a lot of people selling stuff like tremulous on CD, but they're supposedly only charging their customers for the media that they put the data on and they have disclaimers that the content is free to download online. idk if they actually sell any, but the people who put old mac files onto floppies sure sell a lot.
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Too bad Hungaria still suffers from widespread corruption, making any kind of proper lawsuit pretty much impossible.
I like Opti's idea of smacking stickers everywhere though, that's the way to deal with these situations.
Awareness!
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It has to have the GPL notice on the outside so you can see it prior to purchase. It also has to have full credits to id, ioquake, and timbo, and everyone else. It also has to have the source in there.
Other than that, you can sell it for whatever you want. The GPL has a specific clause saying you can sell it for whatever, as long as people know.
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well, it seems i have to buy one to see if it fits to theese requirements... :-D
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Every sane country has a several days return period in which you can return the product you purchased and get a full refund. This should be enough to figure out if this particular distribution of Tremulous follows rules laid out by the Gestapo P... er... the GPL.
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Umm. Wait, wasnt their another post about this somewhere?
http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=8052.0
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that was tesco, now it is interspar. two typical corrupt hungarian companies ^^
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Then make a sticker in hungarian saying that the game is really free, and should be downloaded at Tremulous.net, not bought at some Hungarian noobstore.
Set up a paypal or something so we can donate money towards printing those stickers.
And Opti can be our running dog, smacking stickers on the boxes! ^^
Lay the smack down on them by telling the TRUTH!
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as long as they provide the source code and a copy of the gpl, i don't see what's wrong with this.
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Every sane country has a several days return period in which you can return the product you purchased and get a full refund. This should be enough to figure out if this particular distribution of Tremulous follows rules laid out by the Gestapo P... er... the GPL.
You can generally only get an exchange for another copy if the seals are broken.
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Hi!
I went in a shop before and i couldn't belive what i seen. Beside the other pc games there was the tremulous game for about 10 euro!! What the hell? I think they didn't pay any money to the trem maker team, but of course i dont know the true, but i think i must warning you! Soo the shop name is INTERSPAR, and located in Hungary. If you know this fact i am sorry for this.
10 euros? i think thats GREAT deal!!!! you should have bought that my friend, what a loss :(
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(http://kepfeltoltes.pirateclub.hu/pics/20080505193434DSC00023.JPG)
Where did they get the cover art that isn't even in the game? lol
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I don't know how far DSL is spread in hungary, but if it isn't, Tremulous on CD/DVD might be a good thing to help the 56k users.
(Btw.: Even in Germany many people can't get DSL due to living outside city/crowded areas or because they live in eastern germany where the Telekom modernised the telephone system after the Berlin Wall came down with glas fiber that now can't be used with DSL. So, instead of switching to said fiber, they now put copper wires into the underground. Silly farts.)
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as long as they provide the source code and a copy of the gpl, i don't see what's wrong with this.
or a written offer for the source code, optionally for a nominal fee. and if they opt for "or any later version" (i.e., GPL v3), i think they only have to say where the source code is available from.
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Yea this was in the interspar shop. I check thyco topic ::) and i recognize the same box. But its prise is upgrade to 2990 Ft (about 10 euro).
I want make some picture from the game, but tycho was the first who found it in tesco. As the copyng file say: "Tremulous is licensed in two broadly separate sections: the code and the media." The media isn't free? Becouse is it i want use all from trem in my project: md3 models, textures, sounds. Can tell it somebody?
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The media is under a CC licence, the code GPL.
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as long as they provide the source code and a copy of the gpl, i don't see what's wrong with this.
or a written offer for the source code, optionally for a nominal fee. and if they opt for "or any later version" (i.e., GPL v3), i think they only have to say where the source code is available from.
I don't think the Creative Commons license allows reselling as GPL does. I'm not sure, tho, since there are several models and never payed much attention to any of them.
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According to http://svn.icculus.org/tremulous/trunk/CC?revision=741&view=markup then its fine.
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If you look in the different map pk3s and the data pk3, you'll see that some of the included data is in a non-comercial CC license, which would make selling trem illegal.
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Well if it is not necessary to sue them it is still pretty annoying to see them sell a free game for money in a shitty box. At least they made something that is cool and represents the game itself... So I guess I'll help +Opti+ in the sticker action ;D
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http://kepfeltoltes.pirateclub.hu/pics/20080505193434DSC00023.JPG (http://kepfeltoltes.pirateclub.hu/pics/20080505193434DSC00023.JPG)
Where did they get the cover art that isn't even in the game? lol
Perhaps theres another game called Tremulous. :police:
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I think that is either a mod, or the creators of the game thought they could distribute and sell the game in other countries, to have some profit for their work.
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I think that is either a mod, or the creators of the game thought they could distribute and sell the game in other countries, to have some profit for their work.
Read thread much?
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that's kinda sad someone selling something that comes free. the front pic is lol worthy doesnt show what tremulous actually looks like at all.
the worst part about this is the guys that did all the work (all those friendly devs) are getting nothing out of this
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that's kinda sad someone selling something that comes free.
Like water?
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Why is it on a DVD-ROM? Tremulous would barely fill half a CD-ROM.
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that's kinda sad someone selling something that comes free.
Like water?
Selling a refined natural resource and selling the copyrighted work of somebody else without express permission are two different things. Your analogy is bad and you should feel bad.
Why is it on a DVD-ROM? Tremulous would barely fill half a CD-ROM.
Maybe it comes with a bunch of user-made maps and mods? Still, to warrant a DVD-ROM, you'd need probably every Tremulous map ever made.
Probably just shoddy thinking by the people at the head of the gaming department of whatever corporation.
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that's kinda sad someone selling something that comes free.
Like water?
Selling a refined natural resource and selling the copyrighted work of somebody else without express permission are two different things. Your analogy is bad and you should feel bad.
With the exception of those cc-nd-nc :'( assets that are used, they do have express permission. (But who knows, maybe they made their own versions of those assets and aren't actually infringing anyone's copyrights.) I don't feel bad and neither, I'm sure, do you for entirely missing the point.
Though, when you think about it, purified water has no inherent material cost, whereas the medium a copyrighted work comes on does. Furthermore, water is necessary to sustain life and Tremulous is, unfortunately, not. Thus, it could be argued that selling water is worse economically and morally than selling copyrighted work that is otherwise gratis.
The point of capitalism is to make a profit. All the better if that can be accomplished at no cost.
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some jerk found out that he can sell free games for money, making fool of other people. legal or illegal, its jerkness. point.
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So the people who sold Linux disks prior to high-speed internet are evil too?
Back then it was the cheaper option, and just because where you live the internet is now the cheaper option doesn't mean it is so in Hungary. The lowering price of one distribution method doesn't mean the others should cease.
Maybe people should start selling it in America? From what I hear your internet connections all suck and your infrastructure is (literally) falling apart.
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I think Optimus is not entirely in touch with reality. The GPL explicitly states you can sell the work for money, so I don't see how it involves any kind of jerkness. In fact, it's actually quite nice to see a game like Tremulous in the shops, the more visible Tremulous is, the better! Even with the questionable box art!
Of course, there always has been and always will be this group of hippie dreamers who think making money is bad...
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There's a major flaw in the "For people who can't connect to the internet to download it" argument: it's meant to be played online. So unless these people who don't have proper internet access somehow have the resources to start their own LAN based games, it's pointless anyway.
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it is very cute that some people imagine Hungary as scenes from Fallout. It's not postnuclear, and we are quite okay with internet connection inside europe. it's also not too edgy to play on usa servers, because the differences inside the US itself are almost as high as ours from here. i don'T know who did tell David about allsuck net and cracking infrastructure, but he/she has less touch with reality than me.
and Lava, what is possible is not necessarely right. however, i will not put stickers on you if you get hyperrich with this mentality, so go ahead.
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There's a major flaw in the "For people who can't connect to the internet to download it" argument: it's meant to be played online. So unless these people who don't have proper internet access somehow have the resources to start their own LAN based games, it's pointless anyway.
You do not need a fast connection to play online. You need a fast connection to download huge amounts of data. There was no one arguing that they can't connect to the internet at all. Read again!
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You do not need a fast connection to play online. You need a fast connection to download huge amounts of data. There was no one arguing that they can't connect to the internet at all. Read again!
Have you ever tried to play Tremulous over a dial-up modem?
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You do not need a fast connection to play online. You need a fast connection to download huge amounts of data. There was no one arguing that they can't connect to the internet at all. Read again!
Have you ever tried to play Tremulous over a dial-up modem?
No. I don't think it would be much fun playing on a 16+ player server, but on small servers it should work. That was not the point though.
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it is very cute that some people imagine Hungary as scenes from Fallout. It's not postnuclear, and we are quite okay with internet connection inside europe. it's also not too edgy to play on usa servers, because the differences inside the US itself are almost as high as ours from here. i don'T know who did tell David about allsuck net and cracking infrastructure, but he/she has less touch with reality than me.
and Lava, what is possible is not necessarely right. however, i will not put stickers on you if you get hyperrich with this mentality, so go ahead.
Try reading my post next time.
I was saying that its Americas infrastructure that's falling apart, I know a few Americans who can't get high-speed internet.
And a lot of people still have very slow or capped connections, so a CD could be nice.
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oh srry, i misunderstood that.
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There is nothing wrong with making money, certainly not when the way you make money is perfectly acceptable. I don't see how selling Tremulous discs comes even remotely near any kind of 'lameness', 'cheapness' or 'bad-hearted intent', but hey, most people are as selective as fuck when it comes to whining.
You live in a world that is brimming with products that are of a questionable origin, and you spend your time whining about some person selling Tremulous discs, as if he/she is doing something morally unacceptable.
I suggest you get your feet back on the soil you are supposed to stand on, open your eyes and look at the world around you. Soon enough, even people like should realize the retardation of their ways, and will hopefully project their excess energy at the real problems in this world.
Fucking hippies.
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the "person" who is selling this stuff to people are:
"SPAR is the world’s largest food retailer, with approximately 15,000 stores in 35 countries worldwide[1]. SPAR originated in the Netherlands in 1932 and now, through its affiliate organisations, operates through most European countries, South Africa, Asia and Australia[1]"
"Tesco plc is a British-based international grocery and general merchandising retail chain. It is the largest British retailer by both global sales and domestic market share with profits exceeding £2 billion. In 2008, the company overtook German retail giant Metro AG to become the world's fourth largest retailer, the first movement among the top five since 2003.[3]"
ofc nothing can match the "real problems" that are inside you, if not liking this behavior is like being a "fucking hippie".
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There is nothing wrong with making money, certainly not when the way you make money is perfectly acceptable. I don't see how selling Tremulous discs comes even remotely near any kind of 'lameness', 'cheapness' or 'bad-hearted intent', but hey, most people are as selective as fuck when it comes to whining.
You live in a world that is brimming with products that are of a questionable origin, and you spend your time whining about some person selling Tremulous discs, as if he/she is doing something morally unacceptable.
I suggest you get your feet back on the soil you are supposed to stand on, open your eyes and look at the world around you. Soon enough, even people like should realize the retardation of their ways, and will hopefully project their excess energy at the real problems in this world.
Fucking hippies.
While I find it quite amusing how you call him a hippie I'd like to point out a little fact for you in all this...
The game is free to download. If any reasonable (not money wasting retard) finds out that he payed for a LEGALLY-FREE-TO-DOWNLOAD (don't start to drag the internet's cost in here, most of us pay by month not by data transfer so basically it is irrelevant how much you spend online within a given month...) game in a shitty box then he/she will feel ripped off.
+Opti+ has a problem with that so maybe you can call him a hippie for caring about others or a hypocrite for acting like he cares or whatever you want but the fact remains that while it is LEGAL to sell the game - Even though without the permission of the author or even correctly citing the author or most likely not even including the original code in the retail thus breaking the GPL and selling it ILLEGALLY (most likely - none of us bought that game since it's box is fugly and we already own our copies of the game legally from the net - so we can't possibly know (yet maybe)) it is not MORALLY right. Before you start calling me a tree hugging hippie or something I'd like to tell you that I know that the world isn't morally right but I don't think you should take it where you can choose not to. Just because everyone shovels shit in your face it's still not necessary for you to eat it. - So we did not buy the game.
I think though that if they would've created a satisfying game related box-art and told the customers on the box that this game is free to download and online only and they'd included the code and the related links to the GPL thus informing the customer about the actual product they are selling we all would be less agitated by it. But since it's some tesco/spar action there I'm pretty sure that none of the above happened but thus far we only saw the box since none of us would pay for it...
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The thing is, there is no need to feel ripped off. Either you pay money for an internet connection and the time to download Tremulous, or you pay money for burning it to a disc and shipping it to a local shop. Either way, it costs money.
The bottom line is, the GPL or CC-SA license state nothing about what is morally acceptable and what is not. It is morally acceptable in some societies to eat cats and/or dogs, while it is morally unacceptable in others. If something is illegal or not is something that you can verify by checking the licenses, if something is morally acceptable or not is something that differs from society to society, from person to person, and therefore is an obsolete argument in this matter.
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If something is illegal or not is something that you can verify by checking the licenses, if something is morally acceptable or not is something that differs from society to society, from person to person, and therefore is an obsolete argument in this matter.
I wanted to hear this. Thank you (http://usteam.hu/forum/Smileys/default/1053177431.gif)
Although you still need to pay for a net to play tremulous but I'm just splitting hairs ;)
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Even though without the permission of the author or even correctly citing the author or most likely not even including the original code in the retail thus breaking the GPL and selling it ILLEGALLY (most likely - none of us bought that game since it's box is fugly and we already own our copies of the game legally from the net - so we can't possibly know (yet maybe))
They don't need to have the authors permission, including the GPL on disk is easier than not as I assume they have the default installer, and how do you know they didn't have a GPL note on the box? They also don't need to include the source, although again its in the default installer.
Of course all of this has been said before in this thread, so please start reading.
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...but the fact remains that while it is LEGAL to sell the game - Even though without the permission of the author or even correctly citing the author or most likely not even including the original code in the retail thus breaking the GPL and selling it ILLEGALLY (most likely - none of us bought that game since it's box is fugly and we already own our copies of the game legally from the net - so we can't possibly know (yet maybe))
They don't need to have the authors permission, including the GPL on disk is easier than not as I assume they have the default installer, and how do you know they didn't have a GPL note on the box? They also don't need to include the source, although again its in the default installer.
Of course all of this has been said before in this thread, so please start reading.
I was speaking of morality and the possibilities of their distribution for all we could know. Also you just grabbed a sentence out of my post without the context and began chewing that so I fixed your quote...
Also I saw and read what is on the box. No GPL or whatsoever was mentioned on the outside or at all for all we could see.
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the problem isn't with them selling it i have no issue with the guys who sell linux cd's down at the markets for a few bucks to cover the cd costs and a buck or 2 for his trouble. i don't know how much money there actually charging but really to profit from something free and something not your work is kinda wrong.
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Guys, wake up in the real world.
Nothing is free.
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You even have to pay for Lava's hatered...
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altough Tycho said almost all of it, just some notes:
your will IS free.
@Lava, the mentality we are discussing is somewhere behind the "real problems" that you otherwise like to fight against. like the food stuff at the other thread where you recommended the books, or maybe even the water festing cure of cancer. awareness, as you mentioned it at the beginning (now i see that was sarcasm) is a tiny action against it that is not so much effort from individuals.
simply, if you know that the thing you are going to buy is otherwise free, you can choose to pay it or not, knowing how much effort it would need to get it.
weapon of choice was not invented in woodstock.
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If you expect an in-depth reply to a post that directly links the 'unofficial' sale of a free, open-source computergame to some of the greatest 'problems' of our world, then you are even more completely loco than your post makes me assume you are.
Again, just for you: Getting Tremulous on your HD is not free. There is either a fee for the use of an internet connection (yes, people actually have to pay to use the internet), or there is a fee to get Tremulous on physical media.
And Woodstock? What did those hippies ever do for society, besides use dope, spread STI's and burn a lot of oil?
[edit] typopunctuationyo
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i guess you just missed reading my previous post.
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It's pretty hard to miss what exactly is written in that post, it's mindless chatter that mixes up completely different subjects, only to make oneself look like some kind of righteous warrior in a world full of unjustice.
We are talking about a computergame here, if you think you can change the world by starting here, you really, really do not understand what you are supposed to do. This is nothing but 'cosmetic' activism, which accomplishes nothing but barely scratch the surface of any kind of problems there may be.
This display 'activism' seriously annoys me, I wish you would not use something as happy as a computergame to preach your nonsense. I think you should visit some music festival, since I am pretty sure it will impress some girls.
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Poor Lava, soo many people that do not understand how
his this world works.
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As the subject says:
Lava, you still need to pay for a net to play Tremulous in most cases so by your argument the cost of net is irrelevant in the acquisition of Tremulous since you need to pay for it almost anyway. ;) Again: I'm just splitting hairs here. ;D
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The mere act of selling Tremulous in such a fugly box is grounds for immediate decapitation.
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@Tycho: Aren't we talking about the cost of acquiring Tremulous, not actually using it.
Besides, you don't need an active internet connection to play Tremulous, if that's what you mean with 'a net'.
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You do, however, need an active Internet connection to play online.
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Trem is more fun on LAN imo. You're still paying for the power to your computer though.
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if that's what you mean with 'a net'.
I thought it was in case he fell off the chair...
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Lava, I find funny that you are defending GPL and at the same time attacking hippies, since GPL is probably the hippiest thing in our current society ;)
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...nothing but barely scratch the surface of any kind of problems there may be...
of course nobody wants to save baby whales with that, scratching is enough.
i hope you'll be ready with your antihippie-laserbeam soon so you can save the world and fix thoose real problems.
jal +1
P.S.: !kick your advisors about girls.
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As long as people like Optimus keep focusing their energy on important subjects like GPL'd computer games, we can all rest easily and have trust in the gallant people trying to save humanity from a certain doom. Everybody knows that you solve the word's problem by starting with GPL'd computergames, d'oh! Armchair-activism for the total win!
@jal: In fact, the GPL is not that hippie at all, because it puts quite some restrictions on how people are able to do their work, and what to do with their work. Not to mention the part of the GPL where this discussion is kind of about, namely that you are permitted to sell GPL'd software, even if you did not create it, and even without having to let the original creators know. That's not hippie, that's pure capitalism!
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Ahh i have a strange feeling ::)
;D Lava is the trem seller who did it!
The profitmaker criminal mastermind of tesco and Interspar!
Or not? ;)
Anyway i started this topic becouse my favorit game is the trem and i dont like when some people sell something free thing. The free is free not to somebody free some else ones dont. Ok. they dont break law or any else, but hey we are young souls and this soul belive some good idea. The oldest souls have many bad behaviors as not enough any money and I want buy the all world to myself.
Someone belive the profit always good. But the true the profit isn't all. Good good, but not good enough.
::) am I stupid? Maybe :)
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;D Lava is the trem seller who did it!
I will not be held responsible for that questionable box art!
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Agresszor: you pay for the physical form of Tremulous, the boxart, the box, the disc and the fine looking print on it and a good manual. Too bad that none of this is inside that box as far as I know the Hungarian bargain-bin softwares... ;D
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Don't worry, these days, most games come ill-equipped in ugly DVD cases, without any kind of proper manual.
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Ah, the good ol' times of huge game boxes, with nice art and manuals with secret code at the bottom line of every page...
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Actually, I know of only one game that had a 'secret' code at the bottom of the manual pages, and that 'secret' was not so secret at all, since it was written in Morse. The game is C&C Red Alert. The 'secret' code gives you the Ant missions.
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That is exactly the one I was writing about. And there was also one Ant Map in one of the expansion packs called "the hills have eyes" or something like that.
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as long as this thread is about tremulous, i think whining about the subject is perfectly acceptable. being regardless of how this affects any important things outside tremulous.
pointing out that there are more important things in the world than this is an extremely cheap solution, since this forum is a total waste of time from the point of view of 'life' itself.
from the moment i take my hockey stick, i attach the taser cyberwares, the electric guitar with the sectret brainsmasher distortion accords and suit all my superhero gears to go out to the nightlife to punish the evil, it's no longer a topic of tremulous.
so don'T feel sorry for the energy of those who think these mammutcompanies are acting questionable.
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Optimus writes posts like I would do when I was 15 and thought all companies with more than 20 employees were inherently bad, anything produced with the help of dead animals was pure evil, and smoking Camel cigarettes was tasty.
In other words, silly.
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as long as you use the forums as a flux capacitor of your own, it's no wonder that you misunderstand most of it :-*
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As long as you keep on mixing up real problems with imaginary problems, you will never solve anything.
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you are working so much on textually photoshopping me (is it text-o-shopping?) that even you beleive in the result. :-D
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@Lava, the mentality we are discussing is somewhere behind the "real problems" that you otherwise like to fight against. like the food stuff at the other thread where you recommended the books, or maybe even the water festing cure of cancer. awareness, as you mentioned it at the beginning (now i see that was sarcasm) is a tiny action against it that is not so much effort from individuals.
According to you, selling Tremulous in the shops for money is related to a false cure for cancer, the way our food is produced and what not. How can I think anything about your statements but that they are expressed by someone who does not really know what he is talking about. The cure for cancer is a lie, thinking your factory-processed OJ is healthy is a lie, selling Tremulous in the shops for money is not a lie, it is a right granted to everybody, thanks to the GPL. It has nothing to do with dishonesty, morality or any of such things.
There are real and far more dangerous problems in this world, all of which are completely unrelated to the sale of GPL software.
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How can I think anything about your statements but that they are expressed by someone who does not really know what he is talking about.
as told, it's because you are mixing me with yourself aged 15, so you jump accross some important parts and you are trying to fit your early age poems behind my words.
and as you said also, moral differs from person to person.
my moral is not a friend of "profit for bullshit" mentality, hopefully just as yours.
thats why i think its bad in the case of tremulous also.
in the case of food, cancer, nuclear warfares, religions and what not, i also think that "profit for bullshit" is bad, but this forum is not exactly the place to whine about them.
why i drew a line between these things is the "profit for bullshit" mentality itself.
so don't waste your "armchair activism" capacity on me in the fear of "optimus's empire of superhero coolness". it will emerge at the right place and time, leaving your life unharmed.
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How is selling Tremulous in the shops 'profit for bullshit'? By your logic, any kind of freely downloadable software that is sold on physical media falls under this 'profit for bullshit' logic. This means GNU/Linux distributions, y'olde shareware/demo discs and probably some more kinds of software on physical media.
I might go overboard with this comment, but maybe you should try and escape the communist mindset your country has been trapped in for much too long. Making a profit is a good thing, making profit without harming anybody or anything is just perfect. And yes, by selling Tremulous on physical media, nobody is harmed, because like I explained you several times, there is always a required fee to get Tremulous on your computer. It always costs money, and companies/people always make profit over it. Be it your ISP, be it the random person who decided to sell those Tremulous discs.
Please do not act like I am the person who is acting like a childish activist without any understanding of the world, because you know pretty well that you are that person, not me.
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:-) do you think that i've been trained in underground vaults to be communist till the age of eight when the collapse of the soviet union broke my chains? :-D as long as you don't have the slightest clue of living in "communism" (in our case, the so-called 'goulash-socialism'), i'd recommend you not to go overboard ^^
the fee of getting tremulous on your computer online is minimal. the tesco price you've seen on the photo is exactly the price i pay monthly for the internet of 2GB downloading usage. a little more money would grant you unlimited internet at an acceptable speed.
since someone has unlimited downloading capacity, there is no reason of splitting the hairs.
of course a tremulous player has to buy internet, a computer, a monitor, a mouse, a comfortable chair, and probably some kind of tent or a house to be protected from weather while trying to play, not to mention to build some kind of reactor on the nearest brook with his beaver friends to have some electricity.
the point is that if you go to tesco or whatever and buy the stuff, you don't know that its otherwise free. if you would, you could decide if you want to wait that 10 minutes of downloading at home what is just enough to jump down to a music festival to impress some girls, or to buy it right there and install it as soon as you get to your computer.
by my logic, "any kind of freely downloadable software that is sold on physical media falls under this 'profit for bullshit'", if they don't tell you that it's otherwise available freely. why you would buy a pack of camel cigarettes in the shop if they would be downloadable in two minutes from the internet? ;-)
Please do not act like I am the person who is acting like a childish activist without any understanding of the world, because you know pretty well that you are that person, not me.
LOLLYPOPE award nominee in nursery style.
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Well maybe the the people of post communist countries are better than other ancient capitalists? :D
Just imagine! You don't know the air what you are breathing is a free thing (nowdays). A smart (the bad boy) capitalist little man sold it to you for money. You will be pleased, becouse you have air, but if had you know the true about air you never pay any money to him.
Ok the example isn't the best but this is what i think from it.
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(http://www.portigal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/free-air.jpg)
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This battle of the "ancient gamers" is worth compost. Compost Pile to be precise. Compost is free too.
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But it's really hard to understand that what may look 'free', actually is not that 'free' at all!
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after this beautyful sunday, we can be very satisfied about telling our opinions brightly, but still having this entertaining abyss between us. welcome to monday.
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May I bring down the STFU?
I mean, this is silly from both parts.
The keeping on of the argument, that is, since you do not agree, what's the use of verbally, subtly bashing each other?
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The last post was at 9am yesterday. Today, almost 36 hours later, you come with your STFU. Maybe next time look at when the last post was actually posted before you try and bring down the hammer of righteousness on us.
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The last post was at 9am yesterday. Today, almost 36 hours later, you come with your STFU. Maybe next time look at when the last post was actually posted before you try and bring down the hammer of righteousness on us.
Oh LOL, no! He is using the classic method of trolling on a forum ;D Posts in a dieing-off argument something totally inane and response generating like that STFU to ensure it will continue for his amusement :D (or he is completely unaware of this and does this unintentionally but receives the same reaction 8))
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(http://spacetaken.net/shots/freedom.jpg)
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Especially for gareth: The guy on the left died, and failed. Scotland is still ruled by the English.
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Especially for gareth: The guy on the left died, and failed. Scotland is still ruled by the English.
They aren't ruled by the English, they are ruled by Scottish Parliament.
You should read up on Sir Sean Connery.
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Yes, just like Iraq is ruled by the Iraqi government, right?
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Iraq and Scotland, plz unite and own!
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Yes, just like Iraq is ruled by the Iraqi government, right?
What Iraqi government?
That's a horrible comparison.
Yes, just like America isn't ruled by outsourcing.
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http://kepfeltoltes.pirateclub.hu/pics/20080505193434DSC00023.JPG (http://kepfeltoltes.pirateclub.hu/pics/20080505193434DSC00023.JPG)
Where did they get the cover art that isn't even in the game? lol
Perhaps theres another game called Tremulous. :police:
My thoughts exactly. The background looks like it's from one of the included maps, though. The robotic alien is.. retarded, to say the least.