Tremulous in the shop for money!!!!!

[Agresszor]

Hi!

I went in a shop before and i couldn't belive what i seen. Beside the other pc games there was the tremulous game for about 10 euro!! What the hell? I think they didn't pay any money to the trem maker team, but of course i dont know the true, but i think i must warning you! Soo the shop name is INTERSPAR, and located in Hungary. If you know this fact i am sorry for this.

[seeeker]

>_< that's annoying

[+ OPTIMUS +]

wow, so after tesco, interspar also got the freedom spirit in hungary.

i am thinkink some kind of sticker that i could stick to the shelves, like "this software is free to download at www.tremulous.net". would it harm any laws...? i doN't think so...

[TinMan]

That would be illegal unless they are only putting a price on the distribution of the game, you should buy a copy to see if it comes with the GPL info and such, otherwise you can be like us Americans and sue them!

On eBay I find a lot of people selling stuff like tremulous on CD, but they're supposedly only charging their customers for the media that they put the data on and they have disclaimers that the content is free to download online. idk if they actually sell any, but the people who put old mac files onto floppies sure sell a lot.

[Lava Croft]

Too bad Hungaria still suffers from widespread corruption, making any kind of proper lawsuit pretty much impossible.
I like Opti's idea of smacking stickers everywhere though, that's the way to deal with these situations.

Awareness!

[David]

It has to have the GPL notice on the outside so you can see it prior to purchase.  It also has to have full credits to id, ioquake, and timbo, and everyone else.  It also has to have the source in there.
Other than that, you can sell it for whatever you want.  The GPL has a specific clause saying you can sell it for whatever, as long as people know.

[+ OPTIMUS +]

well, it seems i have to buy one to see if it fits to theese requirements... :-D

[Lava Croft]

Every sane country has a several days return period in which you can return the product you purchased and get a full refund. This should be enough to figure out if this particular distribution of Tremulous follows rules laid out by the Gestapo P... er... the GPL.

[Paradox]

Umm. Wait, wasnt their another post about this somewhere?
http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=8052.0

[+ OPTIMUS +]

that was tesco, now it is interspar. two typical corrupt hungarian companies ^^

[Bajsefar]

Then make a sticker in hungarian saying that the game is really free, and should be downloaded at Tremulous.net, not bought at some Hungarian noobstore.

Set up a paypal or something so we can donate money towards printing those stickers.
And Opti can be our running dog, smacking stickers on the boxes! ^^

Lay the smack down on them by telling the TRUTH!

[kevlarman]

as long as they provide the source code and a copy of the gpl, i don't see what's wrong with this.

[tyranis]

Every sane country has a several days return period in which you can return the product you purchased and get a full refund. This should be enough to figure out if this particular distribution of Tremulous follows rules laid out by the Gestapo P... er... the GPL.

You can generally only get an exchange for another copy if the seals are broken.

[snb]

Hi!

I went in a shop before and i couldn't belive what i seen. Beside the other pc games there was the tremulous game for about 10 euro!! What the hell? I think they didn't pay any money to the trem maker team, but of course i dont know the true, but i think i must warning you! Soo the shop name is INTERSPAR, and located in Hungary. If you know this fact i am sorry for this.

10 euros? i think thats GREAT deal!!!! you should have bought that my friend, what a loss

[TinMan]

Where did they get the cover art that isn't even in the game? lol

[Bissig]

I don't know how far DSL is spread in hungary, but if it isn't, Tremulous on CD/DVD might be a good thing to help the 56k users.

(Btw.: Even in Germany many people can't get DSL due to living outside city/crowded areas or because they live in eastern germany where the Telekom modernised the telephone system after the Berlin Wall came down with glas fiber that now can't be used with DSL. So, instead of switching to said fiber, they now put copper wires into the underground. Silly farts.)

[Undeference]

as long as they provide the source code and a copy of the gpl, i don't see what's wrong with this.

or a written offer for the source code, optionally for a nominal fee. and if they opt for "or any later version" (i.e., GPL v3), i think they only have to say where the source code is available from.

[Agresszor]

Yea this was in the interspar shop. I check thyco topic and i recognize the same box. But its prise is upgrade to 2990 Ft (about 10 euro).
I want make some picture from the game, but tycho was the first who found it in tesco. As the copyng file say: "Tremulous is licensed in two broadly separate sections: the code and the media." The media isn't free? Becouse is it i want use all from trem in my project: md3 models, textures, sounds. Can tell it somebody?

[David]

The media is under a CC licence, the code GPL.

[jal]

as long as they provide the source code and a copy of the gpl, i don't see what's wrong with this.

or a written offer for the source code, optionally for a nominal fee. and if they opt for "or any later version" (i.e., GPL v3), i think they only have to say where the source code is available from.

I don't think the Creative Commons license allows reselling as GPL does. I'm not sure, tho, since there are several models and never payed much attention to any of them.

[David]

According to http://svn.icculus.org/tremulous/trunk/CC?revision=741&view=markup then its fine.

[Amanieu]

If you look in the different map pk3s and the data pk3, you'll see that some of the included data is in a non-comercial CC license, which would make selling trem illegal.

[Tycho]

Well if it is not necessary to sue them it is still pretty annoying to see them sell a free game for money in a shitty box. At least they made something that is cool and represents the game itself... So I guess I'll help +Opti+ in the sticker action

[Warp Viper]

http://kepfeltoltes.pirateclub.hu/pics/20080505193434DSC00023.JPG
Where did they get the cover art that isn't even in the game? lol

Perhaps theres another game called Tremulous. 

[Zero]

I think that is either a mod, or the creators of the game thought they could distribute and sell the game in other countries, to have some profit for their work.

[Kaleo]

I think that is either a mod, or the creators of the game thought they could distribute and sell the game in other countries, to have some profit for their work.

Read thread much?

[SlackerLinux]

that's kinda sad someone selling something that comes free.  the front pic is lol worthy doesnt show what tremulous actually looks like at all.
the worst part about this is the guys that did all the work (all those friendly devs) are getting nothing out of this

[Undeference]

that's kinda sad someone selling something that comes free.

Like water?

[Odin]

Why is it on a DVD-ROM? Tremulous would barely fill half a CD-ROM.

[Vicodin]

that's kinda sad someone selling something that comes free.

Like water?

Selling a refined natural resource and selling the copyrighted work of somebody else without express permission are two different things. Your analogy is bad and you should feel bad.

Why is it on a DVD-ROM? Tremulous would barely fill half a CD-ROM.

Maybe it comes with a bunch of user-made maps and mods? Still, to warrant a DVD-ROM, you'd need probably every Tremulous map ever made.

Probably just shoddy thinking by the people at the head of the gaming department of whatever corporation.