Tremulous Forum
Community => Servers => Topic started by: apollo on October 18, 2008, 01:39:34 am
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Hello fellow tremulous players!
Before reading this, know that this will only be effective with Warrior's green light to go.
When I started tremulous, one of the first servers I went to was Skittles (Taste the Rainbow) and a few completely noob-servers that didn't last long. In 2 months, i was banned permanently from 2 servers for "Aimbot and wallhax"... I find this ridiculace, and have a new idea. A Pro-Server. While I am all for "Wrath newbie training center" or modded servers like X, A, and M, what has ever happened to good old pure tremulous? I find the idea of playing and not b****ing at each other for an "unfair" kill might be the best way to play tremulous. Now here's what I've come here today to talk about.
Are you ready?
Pro-Trem- the one server that has no bans without basis, not flooded with complete noobs, but there are a few things I need to know from you- the people.
I have not yet chosen an amount of Build Points.
I have not yet chosen for FF on or off. It will probably be On.
I dream of a server that has no mod, no admins abusing, no noobs (not trying to be mean to noobs though!), and no hacking.
Questions (read before you comment)!
Q: Omfg man, like, they are all haxerz man!!1
A: YES. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU HAVE TRUE GOOD PLAYERS ITS HARD TO SEE WHO IS HACKING AND WHO IS NOT. WE WILL HAVE RESPECTABLE ADMINS THAT CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
Q: dud, like, there is no such thing as a server without admin abuse man! like omgs!!!
A: Yes, there is dumbass. I'm making one...
Q: gawd man! like omg! how are u gonna get like respectable admins!!?!? like omfg!
A: People wont be given admin for kicks. People will only be given admin after it being established they are respectable. If you would like to be an admin, being a member on the forum would be a generally good idea.
Q: mkay man, this sounds greatttt but uh, whats the catch?
A: THERE IS NO CATCH.
Q: soo like how do the noobs not get aloud in?
A: I might make it password protected, but probably not. If someone is obviously a noob/feeder/moron who doesn't know how to play, they will be kicked.
Q: r there gonna be like clans on this server?
A: If a clan like eVo, [EBSF], kiwi., [IS], and any other good clans can come. The server will NEVER BE EXCLUSIVELY FOR ONE CLAN.
As for the server info...
Time Limit: 45
Extreme Sudden Death: I don't know yet. We might not have it.
Sudden Death: 30 (or maybe 20, we will find out)
BP: Again, look above...
Max Players: Maybe 16, maybe 14. Its going to be an even number between 12-20.
Bots on server?: No.
Unlagged: Maybe
Max Ping: Anyone with a bad connect (300+) won't be aloud in. This might be raised.
Thanks.
Apollo
PS: Remember, we need Warrior to comply.
PPS: Don't flame ;-)
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If a clan like =Void, eVo, [EBSF], kiwi., [IS], and any other good clans can come. The server will NEVER BE EXCLUSIVELY FOR ONE CLAN.
Ahem... Void is not a clan.
Nice idea, though. Good luck with it.
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The server sounds nice, I think I'll pop in there and give it a go when its up. :D
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Rats. Alright I guess my idea has already failed, Warrior has said no.
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Hey GUYS!!!
Oh, never mind...
[FAIL] (http://pac-man.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Sounds/msdeath.wav)
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So..warrior is like the only guy who can hosts servers? :-\
What the f*** people?
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Who is paying for it?
Will it have a good ping?
Only 12-20 players?
What's the name of it? No Aimbot Kick Server?
How will the server be noob-free when no admins are connected? Sounds uthopic.
If in TremSpain server we had to kick noobs, feeders, battlegrangers, blockers, insulters, spammers, deconners, teamchangers, bleeders, bad builders, campers or jetcampers we would need to keep kicking every 10 seconds... We got really good players but you can't avoid the noob virus in a big server.
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So..warrior is like the only guy who can hosts servers? :-\
What the f*** people?
Heh. Accually, kinda. Hes a dying bread of nice people online. When I say dying I mean it... This is from an email he sent me:
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Warrior.tremulous wrote:
You should consider deleting your topic before it get spammed and flamed.
Trem Forums are not the best place for that -- if there's any place for that.
And please take me out of your idea.
Trem is Dead.
Live your life while you can."
"Live life while you can."<--- He has cancer I think. It explains it all.
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Who is paying for it?
Will it have a good ping?
Only 12-20 players?
What's the name of it? No Aimbot Kick Server?
How will the server be noob-free when no admins are connected? Sounds uthopic.
If in TremSpain server we had to kick noobs, feeders, battlegrangers, blockers, insulters, spammers, deconners, teamchangers, bleeders, bad builders, campers or jetcampers we would need to keep kicking every 10 seconds... We got really good players but you can't avoid the noob virus in a big server.
Very good ping, if we all convince warrior to.
Warrior would be paying for it. Lets just hope that he hasnt changed in the past few months and he is still a very nice guy.
"only 12-20 players"? Yes, its the best price and we don't want huge battles. It will/would be fun though. Oh, and as for kicking people every 10 seconds? No. But there sure as hell will be mute for people who complain or curse a lot. =)
As for the "Noob Virus" (LOL?)- Yes, but our aim is to filter the noobs out of the server.
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The ONLY way to ensure a future for Tremulous and its players is to welcome the new, encourage them, teach them, assure them that we all sucked once, etc.
If you set up environments for "pro players only" you will find new players ignore you, become accustomed to other servers and settings, and leave you with only your diminishing core of increasingly bitter old-timers, who sooner or later will abandon the game entirely.
I like your sentiments regarding administration, modification, and player count, though. Are you going to disable share? If so you get a big hug, guaranteed.
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As for the "Noob Virus" (LOL?)- Yes, but our aim is to filter the noobs out of the server.
;D I mean that "UnnamedPlayer entered the game" which converts in "Reactor DECONSTRUCTED by UnnamedPlayer" a few seconds latter or the "UnnamedPlayer was bitten by dretch" six times per minute.
Are you going to disable share? If so you get a big hug, guaranteed.
Really? :O
One of the sweetest things I find in Trem is that warmful feeling to share and collaborate with your teammates :P
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Are you going to disable share? If so you get a big hug, guaranteed.
Really? :O
One of the sweetest things I find in Trem is that warmful feeling to share and collaborate with your teammates :P
Well one guy gets a lucky streak or he is just that better than the opposing team and you have not only one skilled tyrant but a whole fucking zerglingrush of them... share is no problem on a server that has a balanced lineup but if there is one guy who can killwhore at any given match it'll push the balance to his/her team more so than if share was off... - if he is the donating type... - this is the general point against sharing.
Technically I don't mind sharing on as usually it let's ppl work together nicer... but having it off would certainly stop people begging for free evos or spamming a begging bind... The only thing I am against actually is the autodonating system where any given extra creds or evos above the max would be donated to the team as it pulls every player towards better gear even if they did not earn it by skill or luck -> generally allowing a team with the more killwhoring players to gain the upper edge more so than with share on simply and even more so than the average skill of the team would allow it.
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Are you going to disable share? If so you get a big hug, guaranteed.
Really? :O
One of the sweetest things I find in Trem is that warmful feeling to share and collaborate with your teammates :P
Well one guy gets a lucky streak or he is just that better than the opposing team and you have not only one skilled tyrant but a whole fucking zerglingrush of them... share is no problem on a server that has a balanced lineup but if there is one guy who can killwhore at any given match it'll push the balance to his/her team more so than if share was off... - if he is the donating type... - this is the general point against sharing.
Technically I don't mind sharing on as usually it let's ppl work together nicer... but having it off would certainly stop people begging for free evos or spamming a begging bind... The only thing I am against actually is the autodonating system where any given extra creds or evos above the max would be donated to the team as it pulls every player towards better gear even if they did not earn it by skill or luck -> generally allowing a team with the more killwhoring players to gain the upper edge more so than with share on simply and even more so than the average skill of the team would allow it.
even with even teams share 1) favors aliens over humans because of the emphasis on one big mofo (humans on the other hand are better off with 3 shotguns than one chaingun, which will happen naturally without share) and 2) circumvents the intentional credit limit, encouraging both teams to camp and fill up on credits/frags rather than attack and try to end the game before sd.
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Well, here's something I know for sure. There would be no auto-share what so ever.
Not to be offencive but...
For someone who just said that its a bad idea, and that oldie pros would leave... Then saying that sharing to people who need the credits or evolutions shouldn't get them. Heh? Aren't you contradicting yourself?
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'Pros' don't get banned for omghax if they are on sane servers.
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'Pros' don't get banned for omghax if they are on sane servers.
Which is exactly the point here; the lack of sane servers!
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For someone who just said that its a bad idea, and that oldie pros would leave... Then saying that sharing to people who need the credits or evolutions shouldn't get them. Heh? Aren't you contradicting yourself?
I'm not going to drag this off topic, so you can read more or less everything I think of share here: http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=7587.0
I still think there is more of a need for newbservers than proservers (where the newbs are the clientele and not the operators, ideally). But I'm happy to see another server operator who takes their job seriously.
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'Pros' don't get banned for omghax if they are on sane servers.
Which is exactly the point here; the lack of sane servers!
Hey! I play on sane servers all the time... well, used to. >_>
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More 'Pro' servers are always welcome, since most servers are completely filled with brainless morons, or they are empty and have admins that keep on talking about how correct their server is. (First one to guess right gets a special treat!)
However, having both a timelimit and Sudden Death enabled strongly suggests this server is not that 'Pro' at all.
Good luck nontheless.
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Oh oh! You're talking about us, your mortal foe, the HiveMind called MG! What's our prize?
Anywho, for someone who bitches about us saying our settings are better than yours, your comments on SD and TL read kinda hypercritical.
For the retards who will quote this later: This is a joke post. We're not a hive mind.
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The big difference here is that I am not stating any of the settings are wrong or right, or better or worse, I merely state what I think is not that 'Pro'.
[EDIT] typoe
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IMHO a straight Lakitu7's QVM with 102 human BP, and 112 alien BP, 30 SD, 60 TL, is the most fun setup. But this is just me talking...
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More 'Pro' servers are always welcome, since most servers are completely filled with brainless morons, or they are empty and have admins that keep on talking about how correct their server is. (First one to guess right gets a special treat!)
However, having both a timelimit and Sudden Death enabled strongly suggests this server is not that 'Pro' at all.
Good luck nontheless.
I agree.
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The ONLY way to ensure a future for Tremulous and its players is to...
... to develop something that can forbid Aimbotters. Nothing else will change the failure Trem is going to be. Unless someone implements aimbot as an official game feature.
And, yes, the admin system created/ported by TJW changed (and ruined?) completely the intended gameplay. It is now a battle between pseudo-server-admins. Aliens and humans were forgotten.
At least, it would be necessary some extra changes to compensate the new system and rebalance the game.
Anyway, Tremulous should be considered as good as version 1.1.0 is, until developers officially decide to publish an updated version. Thinking on an open-source abandonware? Welcome to Tremulous, the game with tremulous developers!
Tip for newcomers: you need to find some very well hidden Internet addresses in order to have an updated Tremulous. If you want to make a server, you'll need to choose the newest version of one of the dozens of unofficial Trem modifications available. Good luck!
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The ONLY way to ensure a future for Tremulous and its players is to...
--- snip ---
Tip for newcomers: you need to find some very well hidden Internet addresses in order to have an updated Tremulous. If you want to make a server, you'll need to choose the newest version of one of the dozens of unofficial Trem modifications available. Good luck!
You are so right.
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the more easy to find something, the less likely that newbies are aware of its existence.
tremulous is like CoD4's ranking system, but levels are achieved outside the game.
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IMHO a straight Lakitu7's QVM with 102 human BP, and 112 alien BP, 30 SD, 60 TL, is the most fun setup. But this is just me talking...
Why do the Aliens get more build points? I mean, what the fuck?
@Warrior: There is already a clear-cut and ready to use solution against aimbotters:
Play with your friends and administrate your server with an iron fist.
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Play with your friends and administrate your server with an iron fist.
Truth.
It's been awhile since I set any Tremserver settings, but I think it was something like Human BP=100, Alien BP=102, Human FF=On, Alien FF=Off, Structure FF Both=On.
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False. Just another excuse to ignore the problem. Failed.
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/!specme
/follow
!ban
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/rcon quit
And all your server problems will be no more :D
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(http://www.intarnet.us/graphics/cats/sky-is-falling.jpg)
u r teh fail'd
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/rcon quit
And all your server problems will be no more :D
sounds familiar (http://et.tjw.org/bestof/#auth)
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False. Just another excuse to ignore the problem. Failed.
It is not a problem at all if you play with cool people and administrate your server with an iron fist. That's the beauty of this solution.
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#18: Trem is dead. (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=6449.0)
18a: i choose to promote exclusion to further the community
18b: please help to further the community by supporting exclusivity
18c: here i am to save the day...
P.S. Fear of the New (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neophobia)
edit'd 4 ur edification
u n00b u
(http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/n00b-26.jpg)
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if you going with 12-20 players you should just use default Build Points. As for FF go with ON but disable prounce damage. Share is best left OFF
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I find that most admins have figured out the difference between aimbots and skilled players by now... If you get banned on a server for aimbotting when you are not, well just forget that server since you really shouldn't be playing with scum like that anyway.
As for making another trem server gl with that. I don't think much of announcing a new server and expecting someone else to pay for it though:P
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The ONLY way to ensure a future for Tremulous and its players is to...
... cry like a baby, while not really understanding much about the OPEN SOURCE nature of this FREE game?
(http://www.phrases.org.uk/images/gift-horse.jpg)
P.S. A clear cut example of types 5, 6 & 10cc (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=6449.0).
and... GL w/ ur server.
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/rcon quit
And all your server problems will be no more :D
sounds familiar (http://et.tjw.org/bestof/#auth)
I would think that the server would be not THAT vulnerable to ahcking, and the rcon password would probably not be a word like ''password'' but more like a number sequence with words (ex: 13403kadkad409134)
Im still trying to get warrior to say Yes though.
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How the fuck can you not tell if someone bots or not, i can usually tell within 10 seconds on watching a player...
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It's pretty easy to do unfortunately. If a good player is aliasing then it can be a bit hard to tell, especially with some of the more "creative" features that some of the aimbots use. If they're being obvious (aka snapping from dretch to dretch) then it's usually pretty damn easy to tell but otherwise it can be a challenge.
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The ONLY way to ensure a future for Tremulous and its players is to welcome the new, encourage them, teach them, assure them that we all sucked once, etc.
If you set up environments for "pro players only" you will find new players ignore you, become accustomed to other servers and settings, and leave you with only your diminishing core of increasingly bitter old-timers, who sooner or later will abandon the game entirely.
I like your sentiments regarding administration, modification, and player count, though. Are you going to disable share? If so you get a big hug, guaranteed.
Seconded on all counts. While there should be a slew of helpful, generous servers to encourage newbies to get better, though, I'm not opposed to one or two "pro" servers, but you all raise the question on how to decide who's 1337 enough to play there. If you really want some sort of authentication method for this, generate some statistics on which active GUIDs have been regulars for some long amount of time, and then refuse any other GUIDs. Of course, you can't get full GUIDs with just serverstatus updates, so you'll have to rely on names and maybe IP addresses to help confirm, and then have said players !register once they get there. Alternatively, you could take a normal server with no special statistics interface needed, and allow everyone that connects to !register; then, once you've got your player base, run through them and setlevel everyone that you see as a "pro" and disallow joining of teams for the others. This would not need any special master-server-auth system, and it would still allow the interested newbies (level 1s) to spectate the true masters of Tremulous pwnage, which they can learn from. If you really wanted to take this idea to the next level, you could allow the spectators no chat capabilities except to their team and the person they're following (i.e., messagemode1 is modded for spec clients to only be sent to the player), and then there should be a !command that allowed the pros who want to not be interrupted to ignore this chat. Just some ideas. This can be implemented immediately by anybody with even a little bit of coding background; in fact, I might try this out myself....
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All i want to see at the end of a game is.....GG. and for most of the players to stay connected for another round.
Plenty of server's out there and if a player don't like a certain server he can go to another, easy.
checking out the top 100 trem server list from time to time gives a good show of servers that seem to be doing something right
Evan if its the porn serv. All about taste i purpose.
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good luck unfourtally it will probley have no one on it most of the time i used to host two servers 1 called
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another called
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the fun which was running neros qvm got popular fast and is slowing causing the downfall of tremulous
trem never had anyone connect except for one guy who i played for a few games then he quit. i kept fun up for a week or so and then stopped it fun was doing really well then so i just kept that up
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The pornserv is actually quite interesting. It contains balance changes which aim to make the game more fun. It is similar to mgdev, but not the same, and does not require a download.
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the fun which was running neros qvm got popular fast and is slowing causing the downfall of tremulous
nero's qvm IS the downfall of Tremulous.
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nero's qvm IS the downfall of Tremulous.
Ouch, I hate to say it but it could be doing just that. I man, comon, was it made to balance Tremulous? ::)
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The ONLY way to ensure a future for Tremulous and its players is to welcome the new, encourage them, teach them, assure them that we all sucked once, etc.
If you set up environments for "pro players only" you will find new players ignore you, become accustomed to other servers and settings, and leave you with only your diminishing core of increasingly bitter old-timers, who sooner or later will abandon the game entirely.
I like your sentiments regarding administration, modification, and player count, though. Are you going to disable share? If so you get a big hug, guaranteed.
I pretty much have made a solution server, i guess your all american so you dont play aussie servers much but i own a server called auscrim.
We have good players play there, noobs and newbies are aloud but they must listen to good players and not ruin the game or there gone. We let players learn and ruin games on other servers, and when they get to the level of joining a clan they are most welcome (yes some players in clans are still crap) but because its dedicated to clans and scrims we, you are usually playing with other good players on your team.
Administration is like a dictatorship where the players who have proven themselfs and who are good admins are given refferee and adminstrator status, whilst clan leaders are given juinior admin status so they can get experience up. Any issues with admins go strait to me and i look up the entire incident in logs to find out what really happened.
We have some fun mods but there all command orrientated, not qvm and can be turned on or off depending on the players.
And share is on, i dont see why people hate it, share stops fail score whoring, promotes teamwork and helps to win games and stop feeding.
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I don't aimbot. I'm just good at my marauder. See arex/aretrix's mar too, well he keeps doing 2-hit kills on me 1 vs 1! but he fails againt's my goon.
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Nice revive.
With a picture like that, though, reviving a dead thread can be forgiven. :P
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I read through the entire thread not realizing until Vort's post that it was a necro.
>=[
I think a good server should:
+Contain more bp for the aliens since their defenses are more easily taken down.
+Have Share OFF. Any so-called "Pro" server should mean that you don't need to have other people share with you just to get credits/evos. You should be "Pro" enough to get it yourself. Otherwise, you're not very pro.
+Have complete logs of builds and decons, chats and pm's, kills and deaths.
Will post more later.
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The thread was started in October 2008 and revived in October 2009. How perfect. :)
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Kool, a necro :)
Threatstarter: If you wanna play with senseable people, go join a clan, invite other clans, make a private server you give the password to your friends, whatever, what I like about trem is the aspect of teamplay. If you fail as a team, it doesn't matter if you got the killwhores, if ppl cannot cooperate, they lose. How many times have I experienced games with leet-players who got owned because their base got wasted while they were out killwhoring, leaving the base undefended? (See http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=12195.0 for instance.)
And if you've got a new player, excellent!, if he is not too dumb, they will like it to get things explained, I do this whenever I encounter newbs. Nubs on the other hand I usually /callvote kick -r dumbass or something ;) Trem is - like it or not - a teamgame, and if you can't deal with other people, go play QuakeArena or something, because in this case, Tremulous is simply not for you.