Tremulous Forum
Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: Volt on October 31, 2008, 11:08:29 pm
-
I was wondering, those of you old enough to vote and eligible in the united states. Who you are planing on voting for this coming Tuesday?
I'm personally voting for "Barack Hussein Obama." Please if your able to vote, do so this coming Tuesday.
Discuss the candidates here, or w/e please keep it proper and No black faces (http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/8562/blackfacesmilieysmallrv0.png)thanks.
-
Obama all the way. Where do they sell those "Barack and Roll" shirts?
-
(http://rlv.zazzle.com/barack_and_roll_light_obama_tee_shirt-p235555808146266714v5b_400.jpg)
linky buy (http://www.zazzle.com/barack_and_roll_light_obama_tee_shirt-235555808146266714)
-
nubama
-
Awesome, thanks Volt.
-
I didn't register but if I was going to vote it would be for mccain. Simply because if Obama wins my dad's business dies and he loses his house. Which kind of fucks over my entire family. *woot for democracy* *lets take hard earned money and give it to people who sell food stamps for achohol.*
-
I didn't register but if I was going to vote it would be for mccain. Simply because if Obama wins my dad's business dies and he loses his house. Which kind of fucks over my entire family. *woot for democracy* *lets take hard earned money and give it to people who sell food stamps for achohol.*
How inconsiderate of people to be poor!
If they had any sense of civic duty they'd do the decent thing and stop all this poverty nonsense.
-
I didn't register but if I was going to vote it would be for mccain. Simply because if Obama wins my dad's business dies and he loses his house. Which kind of fucks over my entire family. *woot for democracy* *lets take hard earned money and give it to people who sell food stamps for achohol.*
Bullcrap! What is he? Member of the M.O.D. squad?
Oh, my bad. I forgot about the plumber.
-
words
I briefly had trouble discerning whether this was a subtle troll. But then, I remember Powa being really lame at acting slick. I lawl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWz5h4or-yo)'d anyway.
Either way, this thread sucks (political discussions never get dull amirite?) and the Mario Bruthas are contrary-wise, at least snicker-worthy.
(http://obamagear.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/marioobama_whiteshirt.jpg?w=400&h=404)
No black faces (http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/8562/blackfacesmilieysmallrv0.png)thanks.
(http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/1534/bitefacesmalleg4.png)
Anyway, voting for Obama because he's my kind of man. A pie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZOxqVl5oP4&eurl=http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/vidplayer.pl?IDLink=3940291) man.
-
Obama.
-
Peter Griffin. He seems to be the most intelligent candidate so far.
1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQxRFP87a2s
2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pECsePiJW6o&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pECsePiJW6o&feature=related)
But on a serious note, my vote is out for Obama.
-
I didn't register but if I was going to vote it would be for mccain. Simply because if Obama wins my dad's business dies and he loses his house. Which kind of fucks over my entire family. *woot for democracy* *lets take hard earned money and give it to people who sell food stamps for achohol.*
Your dad makes over $250,000?
Thats the baseline on Obama's proposed new tax deal.
Also, a lot of the new taxes are going to pay for the large deficit in the current budget.
Personally, I am voting for Obama myself.
Side note: Why doesn't the topic have a poll?
-
Probably Ralph Nader.
-
I'm lame & easily frightened - black socialist muslim man take daddy's money nao? 2 lazee but still crazee
Punch & Judy '08
(http://www.bridportmuseum.co.uk/bp_images/Punch%20&%20Judy001.jpg)
Puppets You (Only Think You) Know
The above is a not-so-ringing endorsement of Barack Obama. This message was approved by PlayerOne. No actual voters were flamed by the content of this message.
Ron Paul/Jesse Ventura 2012
@kozak6: Hopefully, getting the matching funds we need to mount a real third-party campaign in 4 years won't take too much of the vote away from the Guy Who Ain't George W's Crony from Arizony. I salute your courage. If you live in a swing state, consider the implications of such clear-eyed idealism.
-
Gotta love player1's wording.
-
I didn't register but if I was going to vote it would be for mccain. Simply because if Obama wins my dad's business dies and he loses his house. Which kind of fucks over my entire family. *woot for democracy* *lets take hard earned money and give it to people who sell food stamps for achohol.*
you seem to care yet you arent voting...why?
~
i would vote for obama if i was american, as he appears to be the least worst out of the two.
-
I would vote McCain, since Obama looks like a total fraud. McCain looks too goddamn stupid to be such a fraud, while his running mate is totally fuckable, which makes her an excellent potential president.
-
I didn't register but if I was going to vote it would be for mccain. Simply because if Obama wins my dad's business dies and he loses his house.
And Nubama will also fail everyone in the long run as well, why work hard if your money will simply go to people who don't deserve it? :P
-
I would vote McCain, since Obama looks like a total fraud. McCain looks too goddamn stupid to be such a fraud, while his running mate is totally fuckable, which makes her an excellent potential president.
I have to agree, she is a VPILF.
-
me b lamer + scare easily
me b afraid of teh poor, teh oppressed, and teh disadvantaged; me rationalize selfishness + greed
sarcasm
I have to agree, she is the oil industry in a skirt.
-
I'm gonna vote for NiTRoX :P
-
I didn't register but if I was going to vote it would be for mccain. Simply because if Obama wins my dad's business dies and he loses his house. Which kind of fucks over my entire family. *woot for democracy* *lets take hard earned money and give it to people who sell food stamps for achohol.*
Your dad makes over $250,000?
Thats the baseline on Obama's proposed new tax deal.
Also, a lot of the new taxes are going to pay for the large deficit in the current budget.
Personally, I am voting for Obama myself.
Side note: Why doesn't the topic have a poll?
Let me explain something to you.
The word make is directly transending to profit. If my dad profited 250,000 a year he would have absolutely no problem paying those kinds of taxes.
In business though, sales != profit. (Sales - labors - product replacement - bills - taxes - misc costs) = profit. Most small business try to keep profit enough to survive and eventually higher, but of course any increase in any of the costs makes a decrease in profit. In turn in order to survive if taxes are increased we either need to sell our house and move into a cardboard box or lower something else. Which 9/10 times will be labor. Which means he fires one of his employees, gives fewer and smaller raises, and/or cuts hours. Many jobs will face that if obama wins. Because almost every small business moving(not profiting) 250k to 1m a year will cut labor guarenteed.
Obama thinks he's taxing the wealthy more, but he is actually taxing small business more, since in the 250k to 1m earning range, almost 80% of it is businesses. Which the owner only sees 50 to 150k of if he's lucky. So out of natural greed and need to survive, the owner will obviously cut his employees wages before his own. Its just the way capitalism works.
A regular person making 250k, gets the whole thing for personal costs, but a business has far more costs than a personal person that are actually mandatory. A person can go without the extra buick or w/e they waste their shitloads of money on. A business can't go without their lot and their product, so they have to cut labor.
@ gareth
I filled out/mailed voting registration at my college but they never seemed to get it(lost in mail perhaps?). I didn't bother to check or realize and didn't find out till a few days short of registration closing and didn't have the time. If this was a swing state though I would of made the time. I live, however, in Utah which is the redest state in the nation. So it doesn't really matter what I vote, Utah is nowhere close to voting anything different from mccain. It would take swarms of democrats moving here to even budge that.
@ player1
I entirely agree with helping the poor, when they deserve it and work hard. Some people just can't make it and need help. But it pisses me the fuck off when I'm working and I see someone come in who doesn't speak english, doesn't have a job, and is spending the only actual money they have on a 24 back of bud and then use WIC to feed their children. They need to spend that beer money on their children not my tax money. If someone is honestly doing the best they can and need help, that is one thing. But there is just way to many lazy fuckers not even attempting to make their own way and living off my ass.
@ benmachine
There is a difference between being poor, and being a useless fucker who doens't bother to work. For your info, my dad and I's combined income is less than 40k and I live in a fucking mobile home eating ramen noodles. I work 60 to 70 hours a week and take whatever college I can afford/make time for. I'm far from wealthy and have a below average lifestyle driving a 20 year old saturn. I grew up in plenty of hard times including getting a job the second I turned 16 because my parents couldn't afford to pay the school fees/dinner a lot of times. So I payed for my own school fees(granit which are moderate in public schools a little under 200 a year) and most of the time my own dinner/lunch. So don't give me that cock fucking attitude. I understand that there are people out there doing the best they can and just can't survive. Plenty of these "poor" cunts however aren't doing shit. I've busted my ass off since I was 14 and I'm almost nowhere. Never once, however, have I asked for a hand out. I'll dig myself out of this hole if it kills me so my future family doesn't have to grow up how I did. Why do you think I spent 2 years playing tremulous(besides addiciton). Because I can't afford the games all my friends play.
/rant
Edit : My dad's business ins't in the 250k range yet, but based on projects he should be about half way into obama's term. He's about 60% to being there. His business does low percentages on its sales though as he doesn't have huge mark up due to competition. So he's lucky after all his bills and labor of his two employees if he sees 20%. So if his business does 200k, he'll only get 40k of that if he's lucky. So if they increase taxes, that can get cut down. He's already working an extra job, if he makes it to the 250k range and his business gets increases on taxes, he'll almost defintely have to fire on of his employees. He's actually hoping his business doesn't grow if obama wins, thats kind of freaky to me.
My uncle however(runs a trash company) and does 300 to 400k a year. He already said if that kind of tax increase hits him. He'll be firing 2 to 3 of his drivers and/or cutting their hours. Kind of scary considering I know most of the families who get fed because of their driving job for him.
-
I thought it was personal profit, not profit, but I haven't really followed the debates at all. I just watch CNN now and then.
*twitch*
I'm an animal!
*twitch*
-wonders who will know what I'm talking about-
-
Strange country you live in when you do 40k and can't afford to rent a flat. What the fuck are you spending your money on?
I live in Germany, work at a food joint and earn about 8-9k netto per year. I can afford to share an appartment with a university student in the downtown of my city (high rent). I have health care and don't need to eat packaged noodles. I can't really afford going on vacation somewhere far off though. I upgrade my computer once in a while and don't buy expensive sneakers. But, I am living. If I was in your country I'd probably have no health care and live in my car. And why is that? Because rich sods like Bill Gates pay low to none taxes. So, please, hunt those assholes down. Not your neighbours.
It is really simple:
Republicans want low taxes so the big business can divert all the money to the few top earners. Of course, which such low taxes you can't afford a good educational system or good health care. This is exactly the problem. Your educational system is among the purest (quality wise) on the whole planet. If everyone payed high enough taxes and your country stopped invading a new country every week everyone could afford a good education and wouldn't need to go to work to go to school. What you call "college" is basic education in my country. It is part of the regular school system, not set apart for those who can afford it. People here live good but the overall taxes + social insurance are somewhere inbetween 40 and 60 percent of the income. At my low level of income I pay about >15 percent taxes and another 20-25 percent go into health insurance, into the pension system and the compulsory long term care insurance.
So, my overall pay off to the state is about 35-40 percent. And that is at entry level income. Still, my life is not too bad. And if I hadn't completely gone bored at the university I'd probably make some 50-80k Euro net per year. But that's my fault and another story.
One question though:
If your dad or your uncle can do the same amount of work with less people why do they employ surplus people?
-
Strange country you live in when you do 40k and can't afford to rent a flat. What the fuck are you spending your money on?
I live in Germany, work at a food joint and earn about 8-9k netto per year. I can afford to share an appartment with a university student in the downtown of my city (high rent). I have health care and don't need to eat packaged noodles. I can't really afford going on vacation somewhere far off though. I upgrade my computer once in a while and don't buy expensive sneakers. But, I am living. If I was in your country I'd probably have no health care and live in my car. And why is that? Because rich sods like Bill Gates pay low to none taxes. So, please, hunt those assholes down. Not your neighbours.
It is really simple:
Republicans want low taxes so the big business can divert all the money to the few top earners. Of course, which such low taxes you can't afford a good educational system or good health care. This is exactly the problem. Your educational system is among the purest (quality wise) on the whole planet. If everyone payed high enough taxes and your country stopped invading a new country every week everyone could afford a good education and wouldn't need to go to work to go to school. What you call "college" is basic education in my country. It is part of the regular school system, not set apart for those who can afford it. People here live good but the overall taxes + social insurance are somewhere inbetween 40 and 60 percent of the income. At my low level of income I pay about >15 percent taxes and another 20-25 percent go into health insurance, into the pension system and the compulsory long term care insurance.
So, my overall pay off to the state is about 35-40 percent. And that is at entry level income. Still, my life is not too bad. And if I hadn't completely gone bored at the university I'd probably make some 50-80k Euro net per year. But that's my fault and another story.
One question though:
If your dad or your uncle can do the same amount of work with less people why do they employ surplus people?
Combined income is under 40k. Around here the housing is really bad right now, its more there is hardly any decent homes around here and also I'm not going to spend a large majority on rent since I wont ever see anything if we sell the house.
Secondly, I'm perfectly fine with taxing indivudual incomes. That is not obama's plan though. It does indeed tax any income, business or personal of 250k. Income is gross, gross is before ANY costs are made.
I make personally almost 12k a year. My dad is lucky if he gets 25 to 30k. Since I pay for college and personal stuff, I only pay 200 a month rent. This mobile home is techincally cemented and considered a flat house, but it still was a mobile home. It appraises at 110. So its payments are fairly high. I don't know the exact number but its about 800 a month I believe.
The ramen comment was a little harsh, I don't actually eat ramen for every meal, I eat fairly well because I worked my ass off to get over 7 dollars an hour. Since the wages in utah are the some of the worst in the nation. There have been times though like the week after paying tuition that I pretty much only eat ramen. :P
I entirely agree with increasing taxes on people who's indivudual income is high. To try and help redisdripute weatlh. If he do it to much though, it entirely defeats the purpose of freedom and capitilasm. It means someone can't become succesfull for themselves. Only for everyone else. It is one thing to have a fair increase since they defintely have no problem surviving.
I do agree our health system is horrid and I wish I could afford decent medical coverage. Around here though its 40 bucks a month for 600 dollar coverage.(which is nothing)
Businesses grossing 250k are hardly top earners though. Since business costs are often 75%+ of their gross. Where as an individual spends maybe 50 to 60% of their gross on needed costs like rent and food. Businesses have labor, supplies, and product replacement to worry about.
A business grossing 250k actually sees about the same profit as a person grossing 60k. So businesses under 500k gross should if anything see a decrease in taxes so they can surplus more labor.
About the dad and comment uncle. They don't hire surplus people, everyone of my uncle's employees and both of my dad's employees work 40 hours a week if their schedule allows. My uncle works 60 hours a week and my dad pushes 90. Thats the joy of starting a business. Hire help when you can afford it so you dont' have to work 100 hours a week. If it comes down to it though, you have to pay your bills first, since thats the whole reason you started a business. So if he has to work 100 hours a week he will. Neither of them have a surplus of labor, its actually pretty moderate and my uncle was looking to possibly bring in a couple more staff members since a few people have been having to work over 50 hours. Not to mention, the more labor a company puts out far better for the community. The community strives on jobs, if you see a community where every job opening gets 10+ applications, that community is struggling and unemployment is high. Its generally because companies have less labor to use. Wasting labor they have to use is bad, if they can afford to bring in more employees, its a positive thing to do such. As not only does it help the business become more productive and the owner work more reasonable hours instead of the 60 to 90 most starter business owners work, but it feeds an extra family that was surviving off hand outs before.
Bottom line, no matter how you look at it and no matter who wins this election, american economics are still rather pathetic. I just see things personally as getting a lot worse in the future if obama wins.
This is just my opinion, call it ignorant or pathetic or whatever. Part of being free is being entitled to be ignorant I guess. Either way as I stated before, it doesn't really matter at all who I vote for. Since mccain had utah wrapped up before he was born. Got to love partyship dedication. Lets not vote for who we think is best, lets vote for what color their party is. This country is rather messed up all around, especially politically. There are still people who will only vote for obama because he is black and will only not vote for him because he is. There is people that wont vote for mccain cause he's old and old people are old or other such stupid reasons. Ignorance is everywhere and 75% of voters generally don't even know why they're voting. They're just voting for what their friends and neighbors or their favorite rock star is.
That is another reason I didn't rush to register, I feel personally that I am only moderately aware of the candidates policies as I've been to busy with school to pay a lot of attention. I'd rather not make an "educated guess" on something as important as how my country is ran. At least though, regardless, in the end. I wont bitch over who wins, since I didn't earn that right by doing something about who wins. Cheerios and live life the best ya can.
-
Thank you for your honest answer and clearing up what you ment!
This is what I do not get due to my still weak understanding of the english language/culture:
"So its payments are fairly high. I don't know the exact number but its about 800 a month I believe." This is not the rent you are talking about, this is the credit rate for the mobile home?
I agree on the part that companies below a certain gross profit should not be taxed or taxed low. 200 dollar a month partial (?) rent for a mobile home seems very, very much. Thats a bit lower than what I pay for my share of the flat. And I am talking about a solid, three storey stone house in the old town/inner city parts of my prosperous city where the rents are rather high.
Reality is a bitch ain't it?
Well, things are getting worse here too. They now introduced a new layer of beaurocracy to divert money from "richer" health insurance companies to those with less good payers, which astoundingly leads to an increase in EVERY companies health insurance rates. It is the never ending paradoxy of beaurocracy: Less work, more costs.
Stupid politicians.
As usual the only solution to personal peace in this world is: Get rich fast and don't care a damn about anyone. (My ineptitude to live after that motto is probably why I am so bad off *g*)
-
Thank you for your honest answer and clearing up what you ment!
This is what I do not get due to my still weak understanding of the english language/culture:
"So its payments are fairly high. I don't know the exact number but its about 800 a month I believe." This is not the rent you are talking about, this is the credit rate for the mobile home?
I agree on the part that companies below a certain gross profit should not be taxed or taxed low. 200 dollar a month partial (?) rent for a mobile home seems very, very much. Thats a bit lower than what I pay for my share of the flat. And I am talking about a solid, three storey stone house in the old town/inner city parts of my prosperous city where the rents are rather high.
Reality is a bitch ain't it?
Well, things are getting worse here too. They now introduced a new layer of beaurocracy to divert money from "richer" health insurance companies to those with less good payers, which astoundingly leads to an increase in EVERY companies health insurance rates. It is the never ending paradoxy of beaurocracy: Less work, more costs.
Stupid politicians.
As usual the only solution to personal peace in this world is: Get rich fast and don't care a damn about anyone. (My ineptitude to live after that motto is probably why I am so bad off *g*)
Around here, any rent under 400 is extremely cheap. This is a 3 bedroom and about 800 square feet.
Yes I was referring to our rent, our actual rent is around 800 US dollars per month. I have no clue what the exact number is as my dad does all the paperwork, I just pay my cut so he doesn't lose the house.
Utah has I believe the second worst income to cost of living ratio in the nation. So its hard to get a job 10 dollars an hour and over here and its really hard to find a 3 bedroom or bigger house for under 1000 a month. A 3 story stone house here would be close to 2800 a month.
-
I would vote McCain, since Obama looks like a total fraud. McCain looks too goddamn stupid to be such a fraud, while his running mate is totally fuckable, which makes her an excellent potential president.
I have to agree, she is a VPILF.
Palin Pornstar lookalike (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/10/03/porn-star-sarah-palin-lookalike-in-x-rated-video-by-larry-flynt-115875-20768597/)
Seems there is money in palin porn :P
-
I would vote McCain, since Obama looks like a total fraud. McCain looks too goddamn stupid to be such a fraud, while his running mate is totally fuckable, which makes her an excellent potential president.
I have to agree, she is a VPILF.
Palin Pornstar lookalike (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/10/03/porn-star-sarah-palin-lookalike-in-x-rated-video-by-larry-flynt-115875-20768597/)
Seems there is money in palin porn :P
win
-
Thank you for your honest answer and clearing up what you ment!
This is what I do not get due to my still weak understanding of the english language/culture:
"So its payments are fairly high. I don't know the exact number but its about 800 a month I believe." This is not the rent you are talking about, this is the credit rate for the mobile home?
I agree on the part that companies below a certain gross profit should not be taxed or taxed low. 200 dollar a month partial (?) rent for a mobile home seems very, very much. Thats a bit lower than what I pay for my share of the flat. And I am talking about a solid, three storey stone house in the old town/inner city parts of my prosperous city where the rents are rather high.
Reality is a bitch ain't it?
Well, things are getting worse here too. They now introduced a new layer of beaurocracy to divert money from "richer" health insurance companies to those with less good payers, which astoundingly leads to an increase in EVERY companies health insurance rates. It is the never ending paradoxy of beaurocracy: Less work, more costs.
Stupid politicians.
As usual the only solution to personal peace in this world is: Get rich fast and don't care a damn about anyone. (My ineptitude to live after that motto is probably why I am so bad off *g*)
Around here, any rent under 400 is extremely cheap. This is a 3 bedroom and about 800 square feet.
Yes I was referring to our rent, our actual rent is around 800 US dollars per month. I have no clue what the exact number is as my dad does all the paperwork, I just pay my cut so he doesn't lose the house.
Utah has I believe the second worst income to cost of living ratio in the nation. So its hard to get a job 10 dollars an hour and over here and its really hard to find a 3 bedroom or bigger house for under 1000 a month. A 3 story stone house here would be close to 2800 a month.
Just to clear up:
I only share one of the flats in the three storey house. There are four flats in this house at about 500-700 Euro (~620-870 Dollar) each, including water consumption and heating.
-
Personally I think that the internet is no place for political/religious discussion. It just leads to people ranting on about what they "feel is right", which basically translates into "agree with me or shut the fuck up".
In short: I fucking hate threads like this.
Also, I'm Australian, and we didn't put up some thread about Rudd vs. Howard, did we?
-
I didn't register but if I was going to vote it would be for McCain. Simply because if Obama wins my dad's business dies and he loses his house. Which kind of fucks over my entire family. *woot for democracy* *lets take hard earned money and give it to people who sell food stamps for achohol.*
I see your way fully, but the fact is your dad can pay that and he is the minority, Obama needs to be president to help our economy and every thing, if you vote for McCain your basically greedy (which well its a bit harsh to say about your dad if hes voting McCain) if your middle class or poor and you vote for McCain your retarded , this election isn't about taxes, its about saving America. I came back from my little vacation in Haiti just so I could vote(well it wasn't really a vacation, we were trying to figure out how to get more jobs down there in the districts, 70% of the population is in the army now, used to be 98%, luckily theres 100% employment at the moment and now ones poor by our standards. though those catholic terrorist attacks aren't helping, luckily we haven't had anyone die, yet... :() if he doesn't win that means less money to build an economy for us.. in fact we may actually have to help you guys out if theres a huge depression or something, at least they'll loosen there intrest rates on us...
-
I didn't register but if I was going to vote it would be for McCain. Simply because if Obama wins my dad's business dies and he loses his house. Which kind of fucks over my entire family. *woot for democracy* *lets take hard earned money and give it to people who sell food stamps for achohol.*
I see your way fully, but the fact is your dad can pay that and he is the minority, Obama needs to be president to help our economy and every thing, if you vote for McCain your basically greedy (which well its a bit harsh to say about your dad if hes voting McCain, If i was in his position I might do the same thing but only if i couldn't give my family necessary materials i doubt that will be the case with you, worst case scenario you have to live like a middle class family) if your middle class or poor and you vote for McCain your retarded , this election isn't about taxes, its about saving America. I came back from my little vacation in Haiti just so I could vote(well it wasn't really a vacation, we were trying to figure out how to get more jobs down there in the districts, 70% of the population is in the army now, used to be 98%, luckily theres 100% employment at the moment and now ones poor by our standards. though those catholic terrorist attacks aren't helping, luckily we haven't had anyone die, yet... :() if he doesn't win that means less money to build an economy for us.. in fact we may actually have to help you guys out if theres a huge depression or something, at least they'll loosen there intrest rates on us...
-
I didn't register but if I was going to vote it would be for McCain. Simply because if Obama wins my dad's business dies and he loses his house. Which kind of fucks over my entire family. *woot for democracy* *lets take hard earned money and give it to people who sell food stamps for achohol.*
I see your way fully, but the fact is your dad can pay that and he is the minority, Obama needs to be president to help our economy and every thing, if you vote for McCain your basically greedy (which well its a bit harsh to say about your dad if hes voting McCain) if your middle class or poor and you vote for McCain your retarded , this election isn't about taxes, its about saving America. I came back from my little vacation in Haiti just so I could vote(well it wasn't really a vacation, we were trying to figure out how to get more jobs down there in the districts, 70% of the population is in the army now, used to be 98%, luckily theres 100% employment at the moment and now ones poor by our standards. though those catholic terrorist attacks aren't helping, luckily we haven't had anyone die, yet... :() if he doesn't win that means less money to build an economy for us.. in fact we may actually have to help you guys out if theres a huge depression or something, at least they'll loosen there intrest rates on us...
I agree with a valid attempt at redristributing the wealth, but obama's plan actually hurts more than it helps. My dad is not the minority and no he can't handle a tax increase. He'll have to fire one of his employees and start working 20 more hours a week. There are so many jobs that are from small businesses. Like construction and any franchise. Since the majority of big company small earners are out of country. Places like wal mart wont take a hit from it. They have plenty of cheap labor from china. There are so many jobs at jeapordy from obama's plan though. Think about every time you go get a hair cut, buy a pizza, get water from a water store, go to an arcade, any little shop in a mall. All those jobs are at risk with this kind of tax rate. Imagine if one person lost their job in everyone of those small businesses around you. That would be millions of jobs.
-
Personally I think that the internet is no place for political/religious discussion. It just leads to people ranting on about what they "feel is right", which basically translates into "agree with me or shut the fuck up".
In short: I fucking hate threads like this.
Also, I'm Australian, and we didn't put up some thread about Rudd vs. Howard, did we?
Isn't it the same way in news, media, and debates? lol
-
I didn't register but if I was going to vote it would be for McCain. Simply because if Obama wins my dad's business dies and he loses his house. Which kind of fucks over my entire family. *woot for democracy* *lets take hard earned money and give it to people who sell food stamps for achohol.*
I see your way fully, but the fact is your dad can pay that and he is the minority, Obama needs to be president to help our economy and every thing, if you vote for McCain your basically greedy (which well its a bit harsh to say about your dad if hes voting McCain) if your middle class or poor and you vote for McCain your retarded , this election isn't about taxes, its about saving America. I came back from my little vacation in Haiti just so I could vote(well it wasn't really a vacation, we were trying to figure out how to get more jobs down there in the districts, 70% of the population is in the army now, used to be 98%, luckily theres 100% employment at the moment and now ones poor by our standards. though those catholic terrorist attacks aren't helping, luckily we haven't had anyone die, yet... :() if he doesn't win that means less money to build an economy for us.. in fact we may actually have to help you guys out if theres a huge depression or something, at least they'll loosen there intrest rates on us...
I agree with a valid attempt at redristributing the wealth, but obama's plan actually hurts more than it helps. My dad is not the minority and no he can't handle a tax increase. He'll have to fire one of his employees and start working 20 more hours a week. There are so many jobs that are from small businesses. Like construction and any franchise. Since the majority of big company small earners are out of country. Places like wal mart wont take a hit from it. They have plenty of cheap labor from china. There are so many jobs at jeapordy from obama's plan though. Think about every time you go get a hair cut, buy a pizza, get water from a water store, go to an arcade, any little shop in a mall. All those jobs are at risk with this kind of tax rate. Imagine if one person lost their job in everyone of those small businesses around you. That would be millions of jobs.
EEAK yea that might be bad, but yes the richer population of america is the minority, but then again why does your dad have to fire a guy? he wont get middle class money?? i doubt it... i would probably be like i am now if Obama became president and i had owned what ever busness he owned.
-
@kozak6: Hopefully, getting the matching funds we need to mount a real third-party campaign in 4 years won't take too much of the vote away from the Guy Who Ain't George W's Crony from Arizony. I salute your courage. If you live in a swing state, consider the implications of such clear-eyed idealism.
Wow, thank you.
I was expecting a diatribe about wasting my vote.
-
I didn't register but if I was going to vote it would be for McCain. Simply because if Obama wins my dad's business dies and he loses his house. Which kind of fucks over my entire family. *woot for democracy* *lets take hard earned money and give it to people who sell food stamps for achohol.*
I see your way fully, but the fact is your dad can pay that and he is the minority, Obama needs to be president to help our economy and every thing, if you vote for McCain your basically greedy (which well its a bit harsh to say about your dad if hes voting McCain) if your middle class or poor and you vote for McCain your retarded , this election isn't about taxes, its about saving America. I came back from my little vacation in Haiti just so I could vote(well it wasn't really a vacation, we were trying to figure out how to get more jobs down there in the districts, 70% of the population is in the army now, used to be 98%, luckily theres 100% employment at the moment and now ones poor by our standards. though those catholic terrorist attacks aren't helping, luckily we haven't had anyone die, yet... :() if he doesn't win that means less money to build an economy for us.. in fact we may actually have to help you guys out if theres a huge depression or something, at least they'll loosen there intrest rates on us...
I agree with a valid attempt at redristributing the wealth, but obama's plan actually hurts more than it helps. My dad is not the minority and no he can't handle a tax increase. He'll have to fire one of his employees and start working 20 more hours a week. There are so many jobs that are from small businesses. Like construction and any franchise. Since the majority of big company small earners are out of country. Places like wal mart wont take a hit from it. They have plenty of cheap labor from china. There are so many jobs at jeapordy from obama's plan though. Think about every time you go get a hair cut, buy a pizza, get water from a water store, go to an arcade, any little shop in a mall. All those jobs are at risk with this kind of tax rate. Imagine if one person lost their job in everyone of those small businesses around you. That would be millions of jobs.
EEAK yea that might be bad, but yes the richer population of america is the minority, but then again why does your dad have to fire a guy? he wont get middle class money?? i doubt it... i would probably be like i am now if Obama became president and i had owned what ever busness he owned.
Because its not my dad personally that gets the tax increase, its his business.
I've only answered this like 8 times. A business owner can't afford to let profit decrease, especially if its already so small(being 20 to 25k a year in my dad's personal case). So if taxes increase, profit drops, in turn to keep personal profit liveable, he has to drop expenses. He has to pay his business rent for his lot, no if and or buts, he has to replace the products he sells, no if and or buts, he has to pay his taxes, and he has to pay miscelaneous costs that come up almost no if and or buts. His only place he can cut down, is labor. Which means cutting back hours/getting rid of one of his guys. So he gives less money out in the labor deparment, so that he can keep his personal profit high enough to eat/afford house payment/rent.
The problem with obama's plan, is it does not target the minority. Because it does not only target individual income, it targets businesses. Small businesses(including jobs they supply) are tons of americas working class income. A huge percentage. There is millions of small businesses all over the country. Every pizza hut, little ceaserz, barber shop, and etc will take a hit from this kind of tax implication. If you think the recession we're in now is bad, watch what obama will do to us. Not only will the increase effect big companies which are already crashing and needed 800b bail out. It will strike small already struggling businesses and destroy millions of jobs. If mccain wins, I have no clue what will happen and I'm sure we'll struggle. I can almost guarantee, however, a depression or at least a solid increase in this recession of obama wins.
We gave 800 billion dollars to big struggling businesses, so now he wants to increase their tax and make it even more stressing on them? They are the ones causing the recession so if anything we should try to stabalize them, not stress them and expend them further.
On top of that throw more debt onto small businesses and cuase probably 25% of them to straight up shut their doors and the rest to cut back on labor/fire people. Not only will it strain the entire economy greatly, it will cause at least a 5% increase in unemployment.
In the long term there is small chance that it could work out better? (doubtful)
Obama said the republican campaigns defense against him is that he's "risky." Calling it a mock of an attack and not proving anything.
I think american are overlooking these risks. Almost guarenteed increase in strain on the economy and the possibility of millions of jobs disapating. I personaly don't classify that as "risky." I clasify it as "dangerous and unrealistic."
-
Also, I'm Australian, and we didn't put up some thread about Rudd vs. Howard, did we?
Nobody cares about Australia.
-
How can you whine about taxes when both candidates have completely unrealistic budget plans that are impossible to execute?
-
agreed..
OFF TOPIC
can some one please tell me why i have restriction status? i can't edit posts or see any ones profile inclueding my own, i cant start new topics either, the only way you can address me is through a post, thats it.
-
I think that politics and religion should be kept of teh internets too!
/me stabs thread repeatedly with an uber knife taken from tyrant slasher!
-
Yes, and opinions too. Lets just abandon this big dump and the last one turns off the lights.
-
How can you whine about taxes when both candidates have completely unrealistic budget plans that are impossible to execute?
Sadly, the best route is to take the lesser evil. Since all us politics are corrupt and ineffective.
-
In case you hadn't noticed over the course of the last few years, I have no respect for any of you, or your lameass opinions. I'll give you my 2 cents anyway, in case any of you naive motherfuckers are pathetic enough to have your opinions affected by something you read on a gaming forum posted by some guy you don't know:
Just the fact that people like you who spend 40+ hours a week videogaming and surfing the web are voting for Obama should clue any intelligent person in to the fact that he's a poor choice. The "Poverty-Stricken" who are pawning their food stamps off for alcohol? I'd wager most of you looney-tunes fit into that category, and those who don't still live in their mother's basement.
Get off your ass, get a job, and vote for someone who can handle a country. Socialism has been proven to fuck countries in the ass, I don't see why any of you feel we're an exception.
Vote McCain, or get bent.
-
(http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/gif/ppreflex.gif)
Please use more of your brain than just the fight-or-flee response.
(http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/fear-4.gif)
-
Oh please, that was not a reflex. Only two days to go before Election Day, so I figured I'd do my part to appease the "Election Gods" so that they, in all their wisdom, would grant my candidate success, and cause Obama to choke on his own pork spending.
I only pray I succeeded.
-
I'd choose the commie over the lunatic any day.
-
@player1: What more is there to say than what I have said? Both candidates are complete fraudes that have plans that can never be executed. You might as well vote for Paris Hilton.
-
vote for Paris Hilton
(http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d/paris-hilton-responds-to-mccain-ad-from-paris-hilton-adam-ghost-panther-mckay-and-chris-henchy)
(http://www.creativenonfiction.org/brevity/brev26hotcold/brev26pix/fear.jpg)
-
I was reading the replies but you guys use too many words.
Anyway I voted early, for Obama. He seems better than McCain in most qualities other than foreign policy experience, but personally I wish we'd be pussies and gtfo of iraq.
-
(http://fc39.deviantart.com/fs33/f/2008/291/d/7/Modern_Debate_Tactics_by_nillia.jpg)
-
too many words
link (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vt1LPZed0LU/SO7kIUJnZwI/AAAAAAAAAP4/eO2lVGpkpTc/s1600-h/image002.gif)
'nuff said
-
I wuv u pl4y3r 1
-
too many words
link (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vt1LPZed0LU/SO7kIUJnZwI/AAAAAAAAAP4/eO2lVGpkpTc/s1600-h/image002.gif)
'nuff said
Too bad 85% of the 100 to 200k incomes is business not personal.
So people making under that get bigger tax breaks with obama but literally 25% or more of them lose their job.
If someone came up to you and said here is the deal. You get to pick one of these. You get a small tax cut to help ya out. That is plan A. Plan B is you get a huge tax cut, but you lose your job because the owner of where you work gets a huge tax increase. So, you're going to lose your job and along with millions of others and 10s of millions of others are going to get their hours/pay cut.
What would you pick?
(http://sharprightturn.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/democrat-socialism-cartoon-102308.gif)
-
What would you pick?
A better accountant.
-
stuff
well said
-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081103/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_grandmother]
Obama engineered the death of his grandmother to garner sympathy votes from the electorate hours before his election
Do we want a man who is willing to KILL HIS OWN FAMILY to further his political aims in the white house?
His grandmother was probably preparing to launch a suicide mission anyway like the muslim terrorist she was. Vote McCain tomorrow, save the country from the terrorists.
-
wrong
misled
My fellow Americans, I feel I must reach across the aisle, in a bipartisan spirit, and offer you this olive branch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2pgqfasrxM) of peace. The elite wants us to fight about the puppets they propose as pro- and antagonists each election cycle, a Great Game muck akin to Wrestling Entertainment, and almost as relevant to who really owns the world (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KReZyAZLI0).
They own both teams, the ballpark, the refs, the bookies, the parking lot, and the factory that makes the cotton candy. Enjoy the game!
-
stawp twistin' mah werds :(
-
"The trade of governing has always been monopolized by the most ignorant and most rascally individuals of mankind." – Thomas Paine, Founding Father
"The causes of the malady are not entirely clear but its recurrence is one of the uniformities of history: power tends to confuse itself with virtue and a great nation is peculiarly susceptible to the idea that its power is a sign of God's favor, conferring upon it a special responsibility for other nations-to make them richer and happier and wiser, to remake them, that is, in its own shining image."
Former US Senator William Fulbright, The Arrogance of Power ( 1966)
“The real answer over the long term is to restore middle-class earnings so families don't have to go deep into debt to maintain what was a middle-class standard of living. And that requires, among other things, affordable health insurance, tax credits for college tuition, good schools, and an energy policy that's less dependent on oil, the price of which is going to continue to rise as demand soars in China, India, and elsewhere.
In other words, the way to make sure Americans don't live beyond their means is to give them back the means.” – Robert Reich, Former Secretary of Labor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pEiLHnjAiw&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pEiLHnjAiw&NR=1)
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5904195&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=5904195&page=1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations#Corporate_Members (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations#Corporate_Members)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateral_Commission)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_attendees#Corporate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_attendees#Corporate)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch#United_States_of_America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch#United_States_of_America)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumner_Redstone#Holdings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumner_Redstone#Holdings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajm5JTf7jZs&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajm5JTf7jZs&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL-9CV-qbMw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL-9CV-qbMw)
http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine (http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine)
http://inspectorlohmann.blogspot.com/2008/02/government-as-criminal-conspiracy.html (http://inspectorlohmann.blogspot.com/2008/02/government-as-criminal-conspiracy.html)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_uXGCZenwY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_uXGCZenwY)
"... sure the other stuff is there, you're just gonna have to work to find it."
"The question is whether privileged elites should dominate mass communication."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlyb1Bx9Ic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlyb1Bx9Ic)
"The mainstream media... serve elite interests... in a way that can be described as carrying out a propaganda function."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKxOnrYce3s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKxOnrYce3s)
... describes the current terms of the debate rather succinctly as a "morass of nonsense".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVo1lQXzmus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVo1lQXzmus)
"Political campaigns are run by the PR industry."
http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/apndx_3.htm (http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/apndx_3.htm)
Chart showing which corporations own what.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_media_bias#Claimed_effects_of_profit_motive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_media_bias#Claimed_effects_of_profit_motive)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_media_bias#Claims_of_a_conservative_bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_media_bias#Claims_of_a_conservative_bias)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Liberal_Media%3F (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Liberal_Media%3F)
http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/intro.pdf (http://www.whatliberalmedia.com/intro.pdf)
William Kristol, without a doubt the most influential Republican/neoconservative
publicist in America, has come clean on this issue. “I admit it,” he told a reporter.
“The liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures."
http://fora.tv/myfora/ericalterman (http://fora.tv/myfora/ericalterman)
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/49690-poor-little-rich-man-mccain-can-t-remember-how-many-mansions-he-has (http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/49690-poor-little-rich-man-mccain-can-t-remember-how-many-mansions-he-has)
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/49248-mccain-s-mansions-the-houses-that-greed-built (http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/49248-mccain-s-mansions-the-houses-that-greed-built)
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/49839-fox-news-justifies-mccain-s-mansions-gaffe (http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/49839-fox-news-justifies-mccain-s-mansions-gaffe)
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/58493-help-spread-the-truth-about-acorn (http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/58493-help-spread-the-truth-about-acorn)
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/14482-ron-paul-stop-dreaming (http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/14482-ron-paul-stop-dreaming)
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/53583-cnn-fact-checks-mccain-verdict-he-s-not-telling-truth (http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/53583-cnn-fact-checks-mccain-verdict-he-s-not-telling-truth)
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/59865-obama-campaign-takes-the-fight-to-fox (http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/59865-obama-campaign-takes-the-fight-to-fox)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y395Tftgz0E&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y395Tftgz0E&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm224g-OtjI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm224g-OtjI)
http://www.counterpunch.org/blum08122003.html (http://www.counterpunch.org/blum08122003.html)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Bush_deficit.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/52/Bush_deficit.jpg)
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/29/couricandco/entry4486228.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/29/couricandco/entry4486228.shtml)
The Bush Legacy: Another Day Older and Deeper in Debt
The National Debt in dollars is now three times the amount of all the fish left in the sea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000000000000_(number)#1012 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000000000000_(number)#1012)
Eleven million million of your American dollars.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2008/09/now_we_see_it_the_white_house.html#more (http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2008/09/now_we_see_it_the_white_house.html#more)
Subsection (b) of section 3101 of title 31, United States Code, is amended by striking out the dollar limitation contained in such subsection and inserting in lieu thereof $11,315,000,000,000.
http://clerk.house.gov/legislative/rules110/rule27.html (http://clerk.house.gov/legislative/rules110/rule27.html)
'That subsection (b) of section 3101 of title 31, United States Code, is amended by striking out the dollar limitation contained in such subsection and inserting in lieu thereof '$_________'.'', with the blank being filled with a dollar limitation equal to the appropriate level of the public debt set forth pursuant to section 301(a)(5) of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974 in the relevant concurrent resolution described in clause 1.
http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/house/hd106-320/pdf/hrm89.pdf (http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/house/hd106-320/pdf/hrm89.pdf)
SEC. 301. (a) CONTENTOFCONCURRENTRESOLUTIONON
THE BUDGET.—On or before April 15 of each year, the
Congress shall complete action on a concurrent resolution
on the budget for the fiscal year beginning on October 1
of such year. The concurrent resolution shall set forth ap-
propriate levels for the fiscal year beginning on October 1
of such year and for at least each of the 4 ensuing fiscal
years for the following—
(5) the public debt;
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_conservatism#Psychological_Research (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_conservatism#Psychological_Research)
Psychological research[24] increasingly suggests that ideologies reflect motivational processes, as opposed to the view that political convictions always reflect independent and unbiased thinking. Research in 2008[24] proposed that ideologies may function as prepackaged units of interpretation that spread because of basic human motives to understand the world, avoid existential threat, and maintain valued interpersonal relationships. The authors conclude that such motives may lead disproportionately to the adoption of system-justifying worldviews.
Cheers!!!
@Powa/your face: Please tell me again how empowering the uber-wealthy empowers the rest of America. Remember, under both plans, these are tax cuts. Not just for the guy who owns the business, but for everybody. But wait, under the Bush plan, using Reaganomic principles, you are certainly far better off than you were before, no?
The way the elite gets to stay in power is to get the other guys to form into groups and squabble over meaningless "issues". Meanwhile, they will be busy finding new ways to screw you. Or haven't you ever heard of exchange-traded funds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchange-traded_fund) (the golden parachute used by oi oligoi when placing double-or-nothing bets that oi polloi is well and truly fucked)?
-
Linkspam, borrowed words, unoriginality, ect.
I just lost so much respect for you right there. Towing the party line is one thing, but that's just ridiculous (http://www.wallpaperdojo.com/images/funny/Funny_Democrat_Jackass.jpg)...
-
@Powa/your face: Please tell me again how empowering the uber-wealthy empowers the rest of America.
me, nor my family is at all wealthy.
-
ZOMG WAY TO LONG TO QUOTE
looks like someone saw zietgiest
-
ZOMfGQUOTEfest!!!
looks like someone read Robert Anton Wilson, Robert Sheckley, Harlan Ellison and a lot of PKD, besides
@Powa/your face: Please tell me again how empowering the uber-wealthy empowers the rest of America.
me, nor my family is at all wealthy.
No, but the elite owns your mind, your ideas, and the places you supposedly get those ideas from. Check out Nobel prizes, Rhodes Scholarships and the Scouting Movement, to name but a few of the more obvious cases of the Merchants of Death re-clothing themselves as the Angels of Philanthropy.
Stuff Kain is too lazy to check out.
I just lost so much respect for you right their. Towing the party line is one thing, but that's just elephantine (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2111/2471660183_157f260a52.jpg)...
Funny, 'cuz, I restrained myself from saying the same thing to you when you fell for the other party (http://www.bojangleshome.biz/images/71307weekend_051.jpg) line (http://people.ucsc.edu/~bberg/hook.jpg) (back on page two where you sneered "socialism" like a Pavlovian dog drooling at the ring of your master's bell).
And here I thought with google and all, you youngsters might be better informed, but the public school system and corporate media have prepared you well for a life of defending your master's interests.
At least watch the videos before you jerk reflexively to the right you twitching mass of properly-prepared raw nerve endings.
:) ;) :D ;D :o 8) ::) :P :-* :laugh:
P.S. How am I toeing the party line if I am a registered Republican who wanted to vote for Ron Paul, and as a Ron Paul Republican, I'm not even listening to Ron Paul, who told me to vote for Ralph Nader? No, sir, I submit to you that I am the true maverick herein!
Ron Paul/Jesse Ventura 2012
Restore the Constitution!
-
Bitch, bitch, blab, blab, fight, fight, rawr, rawr!
God, this thread makes we wanna burn the off-topic section. -.-
-
So you deny that Obama reeks of socialism? Then you're a fool, because you're completely overlooking his healthcare ideals and "wealth redistribution" tax policies. (Which also just so happens to be his entire platform.)
If you want to bitch about me towing the party line, at least pick something where the "party line" isn't dead on the money.
There's a reason we're called "The Right."
-
So you deny that this thread reeks of meh?
Nope, right with you on that.
;)
-
Zomg, I think I'm witty!
So you're either too young, or too apathetic to vote... congrats. Now gtfo so us adults can continue bickering before the shit hits the fan tomorrow.
-
There goes any modicum of respect I had for you. (Juuuust kidding!)
So you're either too young, or too apathetic to vote... congrats.
When did I say I wasn't going to vote?
Anyway. Seriously, why the hell are you morons arguing about this?
-
Dangerous fascist tendencies and an inability to see one's self manipulated by an elite propaganda machine, combined with an "intellect" of the grasping and labeling sort, which "damns-by-naming" and which believes in "absolute" and "unerring" "truths" (mostly which maintain status quo creature comforts and interpersonal, tribal, communal and kinship bonds, without challenging personal reality-tunnel) as well as a fetishistic obsession with an occult symbol consisting of a serpent writhing around a wand or staff
God, how I've missed you, you jack-booted cretin.
-
Anyway. Seriously, why the hell are you morons arguing about this?
In case you hadn't noticed over the course of the last few years, I have no respect for any of you, or your lameass opinions. I'll give you my 2 cents anyway, in case any of you naive motherfuckers are pathetic enough to have your opinions affected by something you read on a gaming forum posted by some guy you don't know:
Anyone dumb enough to buy Obama's shit might just be dumb enough to be swayed by this. I do what I can, bud.
-
I suppose you think I'm dumb, then. So be it. See you in hell.
Again, just kidding. ;)
You do realize that because this is a web forum, arguing serves no real purpose? Everyone is too damn stubborn to do anything but flame everyone else over and over again. This thread is just a bunch of otherwise decent people going absolutely crack-crazy for no reason whatsoever.
-- Most of this thread can be summarized as: "Fuck off loser, 'cuz I can predict the future!"
-
slow down guys, i can't click links fast enough!!!
American Polarized Politics at their Most Partisan Level
Hey guys. I'm German. Isn't that weird?
nao imma j/k dewdz srsly
-
This thread lacks a "who do you think will win?" poll.
-
The same people who always win. The global elite, the richest of the rich, the corporations and institutes and foundations and endowment funds. The legal fictions with all the rights of a person, but none of the same responsibilities, nor subject to the same ethics or morality. Privateers, buccaneers, freebooters and the Lords of Chaos, enriched through smuggling, arms sales, money laundering and the sale and packaging of human misery as an indexable financial instrument.
The Wolves in Wolves Clothing
-
Let's all agree on the fact that some Americans are just paranoid crackpots, like player1.
-
Let's all agree on the fact that some people grind their personal axe, no matter the topic.
-
Really, your random quote raping is not impressing anyone, since nobody can ignore the insane amount of retardation you posted in this thread.
Did you link to the Illuminati too?
-
Really, my constant internet sniping is not impressing anyone, since nobody can ignore the insane amount of instigation that I, a moderator, post every day.
Did I join the Illuminati too?
-
Let's not lose any virtual friendships over interweb politics (poly meaning 'many' in latin, and tick, a blood sucking insect). To each his own.
-
Hi, I am player1.
Whenever I post in a thread, I either post a 10-year old image, or a post a barrage of links. However, if anyone attacks me for that, I crawl back into my shell and tell people they should stop sniping at me!
Pro Tip: Do not post nonsense if you do not want to be sniped at.
@your face: This is not about politics at all, it's about paranoid linkspam.
-
@your face: This is not about politics at all, it's about paranoid linkspam.
hmm, right you are there...
-
So you deny that Obama reeks of socialism? Then you're a fool, because you're completely overlooking his healthcare ideals and "wealth redistribution" tax policies.
Yes, because our healthcare is so good and Europe's so ineffective. ::)
-
Yes, because our healthcare is so good and Europe's so ineffective. ::)
Well damn, let's just go and join the European Union, cuz they've got it all figured out!
Socialized medicine is a joke... I am endlessly amused by you left wing nuts. You bitch about what an awful job the government does, and then you say you'd absolutely trust them with your life and healthcare. Anyway, it's a moot point, because you don't honestly care about socialized medicine. The only reason kids like you could possibly have for voting Democrat is that you're looking for a *free handout. Try earning a paycheck at some point in your life, and see if you don't become a bit bitter at the douchebag socialists who're taking a juicy chunk out of it and handing it off as "Welfare" to their "valued, low-income constituents." (Synonyms: trash, slackers, undriven, moochers)
*Free Handout: Money taken from the hardworking guy putting in 40+ hours a week and given to the whiny bitch who'd rather play Tremulous all day than get a job.
-
Ron Paul/Jesse Ventura 2012
I'm all for Ron Paul in 2012 but he's probably not going to run. If you are looking for a good Liberty candidate for 2012, look no further then Gary Johnson, former governor of New Mexico. I think after Ron Paul going for someone that actually appears crazier (Ventura) might not be the best way to go.
-
Hai ryan <3
-
Zomg, I think I'm witty!
So you're either too young, or too apathetic to vote... congrats. Now gtfo so us adults can continue bickering before the shit hits the fan tomorrow.
If you have nothing to contribute except for the propaganda someone else has thought up for you: SHUT THE FUCK UP.
-
Yes, because our healthcare is so good and Europe's so ineffective. ::)
Well damn, let's just go and join the European Union, cuz they've got it all figured out!
Socialized medicine is a joke... I am endlessly amused by you left wing nuts. You bitch about what an awful job the government does, and then you say you'd absolutely trust them with your life and healthcare. Anyway, it's a moot point, because you don't honestly care about socialized medicine. The only reason kids like you could possibly have for voting Democrat is that you're looking for a *free handout. Try earning a paycheck at some point in your life, and see if you don't become a bit bitter at the douchebag socialists who're taking a juicy chunk out of it and handing it off as "Welfare" to their "valued, low-income constituents." (Synonyms: trash, slackers, undriven, moochers)
*Free Handout: Money taken from the hardworking guy putting in 40+ hours a week and given to the whiny bitch who'd rather play Tremulous all day than get a job.
You are a moron. In Europe no one ever died in the waiting room of a hospital.
-
Kaine why don't you try to play the very good computer game called Tremulous instead of getting a heart attack while typing on a game forum?
You come home from the 40+ hours of work, and then instead of having fun, you freak out.
I'm worried.
-
@Ryan: Why hello there! Haven't seen you in ages...
@Bissig: Ooooo, I appear to have struck a nerve!
@Optimus: This is why I love you, bud. ;)
---
Also, what player1 said really got to me. I was so touched, that I did end up voting for Obama/Biden. So, assuming the rest of the city also writes them in for County Commissioner, then we'll be in business!
-
Hi, I am Lava Croft.
Whenever I post in a thread, I either post a one sentence answer that has nothing to do with the topic, or I post a barrage of insults. However, if anyone attacks me for that, I fall back on my moderator status and tell people they should stop disagreeing with me!
Pro Tip: Do not post if you do not want to be slandered.
@correspondents: This is not about politics at all, it's about superior-acting Dutchmen.
-
@player1: Now you went sour and posted something that is not true; my two-sentence post was very much on-topic.
Even more so, when I post my second post, which was also on-topic, tell you people that both of your presidential candidates are a bunch of daydreamers that are completely out of touch with reality, specifically budgetary reality, all you can do is post an image, together with an advice you do not seem to follow up on yourself.
If I had a hankerchief, I would lend you mine, but since I am an insensitive bastard that feasts on the tears of poor, lost souls like yourself, I do not posses a hankerchief. However, I will let the world's smallest violin play a soothing tune, just for you:
-
Elections are always between a giant douche and a turd sandwich :(
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/south-park-turd-sandwich-vs-giant-douche/1088148128
-
Obama for sure
no McSame and Failin
-
To everyone participating in this heated debate: Go have some fun instead of slandering each other.
Buncha morons.
-
To everyone participating in this heated debate: Go have some fun instead of slandering each other.
Buncha morons.
But the cool thing about politics in America is the constant bitching at each other!
-
But the cool thing about politics in America is the constant bitching at each other!
Is that so? I think I'll move back to England.
-
yes, please move back
-
That was either an encouraging remark or a troll. Most likely the latter.
Judging by the fact that you edited your post, you probably said something really stupid.
-
Fail thread. I suggest a moderator lock this as each page is filled with nothing but pointless flaming, with the exception of a few posts by Annihilation and Bissig.
-
Nah, wait till tomorrow to lock it. The new president hasn't been declared yet, let's speculate as much as we can, in anticipation.
-
Not an all-fail thread, Guy. Goodness knows it gave me plenty o' lulz.
I like oldskool propaganda better compared to this boring new shit though.
(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4774/shemaylookcleanbutkv6.jpg)
also inb4 "Hi, I am Steely Ann. I'm an unfunny cunt who feels she must inject herself into every conversation on the off-topic board and contribute absolutely nothing of value to said thread whatsoever. Did I mention I'm an unfunny cunt?"
-
Not an all-fail thread, Guy. Goodness knows it gave me plenty o' lulz.
I like oldskool propaganda better compared to this boring new shit though.
(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4774/shemaylookcleanbutkv6.jpg)
also inb4 "Hi, I am Steely Ann. I'm an unfunny cunt who feels she must inject herself into every conversation on the off-topic board and contribute absolutely nothing of value to said thread whatsoever. Did I mention I'm an unfunny cunt?"
Fucking win.
Also at the socialized health care. There are several places in canada and europe that if you aren't high up in the wealthy or political chain you'll spend months waiting for something as simple as a broken leg. There is no way to perfect a health care system, but unmonitored socialism health care is probably one of the worst. We might as well just hand out free bandaids for broken necks and aids.
-
@ Player1 & Lava:
Both of you are just like Obama and McCain, thus your little fight between both of you is no way to stop the hate. Both for you are really great guys to talk to on the forums, and I don't see why both of you can be great friends. What both of you (and maybe Obama and McCain) needs is a crappy song to see the error of your ways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj5pGZMLsPE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj5pGZMLsPE)
If this doesn't help or both of you can't stop fighting each other, then I hope you two kill each other. You know what they say:
(http://www.stud.tu-ilmenau.de/~haku-in/pics/retarded.jpg)
To be back on topic, here in Canada, today is the day of the election (excuse me if I got it wrong), and hopefully Obama wins. Or else we'll have another George W. Bush on our hands. D:
-
We might as well just hand out free bandaids for broken necks and aids.
Band-aids for AIDS? I fancy the way you think, good sir.
-
if anyone wants to continue this on irc, im at #tremelections :P
-
I'm sorry that not only can most of the Tremulous forums handle an intelligent debate, they actually seem very opposed to anything intelligent happening at all in the off topic section. Really, tons of posts about how discussing serious issues on forums is bad is just plain annoying, I like intelligent debates, and forums are, believe it or not a great place to conduct them with people you would otherwise never get a chance to speak to.
-
--- snip ---
Also at the socialized health care. There are several places in canada and europe that if you aren't high up in the wealthy or political chain you'll spend months waiting for something as simple as a broken leg. There is no way to perfect a health care system, but unmonitored socialism health care is probably one of the worst. We might as well just hand out free bandaids for broken necks and aids.
Well, my little insubstantial friend.. Lets guess what country this is shall we?
I'll give you some pointers:
- It's a country that's so far up Bush's backside that it does never see daylight
- It is in the "Coalition of the Willing"
- A taff insane lady with a bad temper once ruled this country
- It has: bad public health system, bad public transportation and lots and lots of public surveillance
- It still hasn't stopped using that ridiculous imperial system
- The cars still have the steering wheel on the wrong side
... Another hint: It is the least socialism prone country of all of Europe
-
I'm pretty happy today with my decision, hope everyone else is too :)
Hai ryan <3
Heyyyy Ozzy <3
@Ryan: Why hello there! Haven't seen you in ages..
Hey haven't really seen you either :P
-
Enjoy your snark hunt!
@Kaine: A quite enjoyable exchange, as usual.
@LC: :)
-
@Player1: Likewise. We all know your candidate is going to win anyway, I was just in it for the bitchfest.
-
I'm commiting suicide cya.
-
Make sure you follow the vein all the way down, just to be sure. Also, I'm told warm water will expediate the process.
Cya on the other side.
-
@Powa: I hope things turn out well for you, regardless of which millionaire gets the $150K a year job. 8)
-
Well, obama just won, gj.
-
@Ryan, mooseberry, +OPTIMUS+: :) :D ;D
A quite enjoyable thread. Let's do it again!
-
Congratulations Barack Obama!
Good luck, United States of America, time to get back up!
-
Yay! Four more years of economic crisis and general dipshittery!
-
Well it's official. The crowd here is pretty wild. Just stopped by to let you know my important opinion. ;) I truly think Obama will help us recover from these bad times. Well, back to the champagne and throngs.
-
R.I.P. POWA'S DAD'S FUTURE BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS.
-
champagne and thongs
-
champagne and thongs
You know it's funny, I was thinking the same thing. :P
-
YES WE CAN
-
R.I.P. POWA'S DAD'S FUTURE BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS.
Well done, my friend. You have earned 100 LOL Points, you can cash them in for ??? or PROFIT at your nearest 7/11.
YES WE CAN
YES WE DID
-
Let me be the first to say, Obama won. :)
Screw it, failed. I checked, wasn't the first one. Need to check things like that more often. :P
-
Fuck Yeah Seaking
-
Let me be the first to say, Obama won. :)
You failed, since you are not the first. At least not in this thread.
-
well meh
-
Let's just hope his administration is as stirring as his speech.
Don't forget what really runs the world. According to the Fed chairman, that would be any currency besides dollars. Only a fool would have his money in dollars. Oh, yeah, and take his advice on not buying anything imported, OK? That should be easy in 21st century Mexamericanadia (http://www.canamex.org/Maps.asp). Don't believe me? Never heard of youtube, or just never use it to learn what your masters are up to? Ron Paul+fed chairman+youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgnfxtrAFJQ)+search (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwEbfIvS8Y); kthxnbai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWQ61-LHriA)
:) ;) 8)
-
I'm glad Obama won, but damn, democrats took the senate and house too....I like it when congress is the opposite party of the chief.
-
Swing of the pendulum.
They've got two years at most before the other side watches the game films and comes back strong, at halftime in the next game.
Meanwhile, Obama's economic adviser is former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker, so don't expect a major change in the Fed's philosophy, although maybe if they get a little less carried away with propping up the "investor class" while weakening the dollar, we may just avoid the deep recession of the 70s and end up with a bonus, like in the 90s. But without a fresh supply of oil, like the North Sea oil boom of the Nineties, we're still pretty screwed. We don't make anything here anymore. Every corporate entity with the rights of a citizen - but whose only moral (indeed, legally mandated) obligation is to maximize profits for a few, at the expense of the many - has been forced by current policy to manufacture elsewhere for the domestic market. It's a giant circle-jerk of diminishing returns. When the oil runs out, we will be well and truly fucked, unless and until Americans wake the fuck up and realize that policing the world (that is, pulling down the selfsame dictators we prop up and supply) and bickering over "moral" issues is going to leave us a bunch of "faithful" slaves in orange jumpsuits, watched over by the men in black, building temples of greed to the gods of the fictional corporate "person", while our masters live in fabulous wealth in man-made cities in exotic locales, laughing at our naivete and simple-mindedness. Follow the money.
-
player1 sounds like me when I was 15 years old. Now let's just hope he grows up and stops caring about things outside of his control. Outside of anyone's control besides a select few, that is.
Live a true life, take care of your family and friends, and do not be bothered by anything else. The only purpose whining like this serves is showing people that you are just as much suspectible to bullshit as Joe the Plumber.
-
Now get down from my soapbox!
-
WHAT OBAMA DID NOT WIN YOU LIARS! Ralph Nader WON WOOT! i like to call him Darth Nader
-
Just be glad third-party candidates can still run. In Oregon there is already a ballot initiative to limit candidacy to just the top two vote-getters from the party primaries, i.e. one Democrat and one Republican. Oh, yes, it was funded by out-of-state millionaires. We've even got a guy here who pretty much makes his living just getting ballot measures on the ballot, so rich people can do end runs around the laws, all while proposing seemingly-reasonable amendments to the state constitution. Follow the money.
;)
@Lava: How utterly out of character: you, espousing capitulation to tyranny.
:D
//edit'd 4 afterthought
-
Thats it, I give up, I hope both of you kill each other with replies. :(
Yay, Obama won, go phillies, yays!!!
......
*Now what, Hendrich?*
Now we play more Tremulous. >:D
-
Hugo Chavez + Barack Obama = Hazardous Epic Failure (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/6091228.html) <------Clicky
I IZ LIKE A KID I LIEK 2 PLAY WITH COLARZ AND LINKSZ
-
Cult of Personality = Sillier than SILLY (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/putty_clay-738871.jpg) Klikz0rZ meh
U 4R3 5!11!3R 7H4N 7H!5 MUCH 5!11Y PU77Y (http://pbskids.org/barney/children/games/images/sm_silly.gif)
-
oh noez!
-
A downside to having congress and the president opposite parties is that either of them can blame the other for the nation's problems under the accusation that they prevented policies that would help the situation from passing.
Also, election is over, and any more arguments at this point can now be legitimately called useless and non-productive bickering.
-
This has been: America Chooses its Next Presiding Executive!
Tune in again four years from yesterday for another peaceful transfer of power from one branch of the oligarchy to another.
Thanks for playing!
The Game of Kingship is played for entertainment purposes only. No actual power is ceded to the electorate, nor should any such power be thought to exist. Brought to you by the people who brought you the corporate media, an educational system nothing short of indoctrination and the Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace.