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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Gil-Galad on November 08, 2008, 01:23:17 pm
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To which meaning of the name "Lucifer" refers the "Lucifer Cannon"? To the morning star (as Lucifer is the Latin name of the morning star), to Lucifer Calaritanus a bishop in the 4th century or to Lucifer as the name of Satan?
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I would assume it referers to Satan, as its meant to be a scary weapon that spews hot plasma doom.
"Your name is in the mouth of others: be sure it has teeth."
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Yes, I thought of the same, but I couldn't be sure as there is more than one meaning....
Isn't the name missed in spite of this, as Lucifer means Light-Bringer (or Light-Bearer)? And aren't there problems because of religious reasons, as the name Lucifer Cannon is satanistic due to the fact that it refers to Satan?
(I myself object to this name because of religious reasons)
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In "popular culture" (at least here) when you say Lucifer people think the devil and evil etc, which would fit with the intended big scary weapon image wanted.
As for people objecting on religious grounds, why? Either people don't believe the devil / Lucifer exist, or they believe god will protect them. (I'm sure there's a lot more than those two options, but those are the main two AFAIK).
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As for people objecting on religious grounds, why? Either people don't believe the devil / Lucifer exist, or they believe god will protect them. (I'm sure there's a lot more than those two options, but those are the main two AFAIK).
It's not that... I mean, it simply doesn't seem right to me to use a satanistic name for a weapon, no matter of the belief. (To me it looks like a provocation or an offence....)
Maybe you think it ridiculous - and it is indeed foolish to think of the devil as a red guy with horns and a tail or something else and it is very foolish to think, that this is how the devil is pictured in religion either...
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you won't have an orgasm if you write 69 down many times.
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you won't have an orgasm if you write 69 down many times.
I am sorry, but I don't know, what you mean.... what has the number 69 to do with orgasms?
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He's refering to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/69_(sex_position))[NSFW].
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I see, but this has nothing to do with the topic...
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a name 'lucifer cannon' will not have affect on your faith/religion such as you won't have an orgasm if you write 69 down many times.
got it now?
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Yes, but I never said so....
It's not that... I mean, it simply doesn't seem right to me to use a satanistic name for a weapon, no matter of the belief. (To me it looks like a provocation or an offence....)
Maybe you think it ridiculous - and it is indeed foolish to think of the devil as a red guy with horns and a tail or something else and it is very foolish to think, that this is how the devil is pictured in religion either...
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(To me it looks like a provocation or an offence....)
I think that's kind of the point, its an offensive weapon with no purpose but to kill and destroy, and so deserves and offensive name.
Also, the original story is lacking in dates, but I get the feeling that the "war" is relativity new, and so the Lucifer Cannon will have been designed and named with the intention of killing other people. Not sure if that really has any impact, but meh.
Military Units, especially some WW2 fighter squadrons, have long subscribed to the idea that names should be scary and offensive. Physiological warfare at its best.
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Don't you mean psychological warfare?
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In Dutch a 'lucifer' means the same as the English 'match', or, a bringer of light :)
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I think that's kind of the point, its an offensive weapon with no purpose but to kill and destroy, and so deserves and offensive name.
Also, the original story is lacking in dates, but I get the feeling that the "war" is relativity new, and so the Lucifer Cannon will have been designed and named with the intention of killing other people. Not sure if that really has any impact, but meh.
Military Units, especially some WW2 fighter squadrons, have long subscribed to the idea that names should be scary and offensive. Physiological warfare at its best.
Yes, but it is doubtful, if the aliens can understand the name, or even know it - if not, the psychological effect is missed... then the only purpose would be that the humans are perhaps encouraged of this name... and even if it would be so, another name would fit better in my opinion (e.g. inferno cannon)
In Dutch a 'lucifer' means the same as the English 'match', or, a bringer fo light :)
As I said before, the name "Lucifer" comes from Latin and means Light-Bringer or Light-Bearer (lux.-cis f. - the light; fero,fers,ferre,tuli,latum - to bring/bear)
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Gil-galad: I think you made this name from an anthill to a mountain... If you don't like it as a reference to the devil then take it as the bringer of light... Your suggestion, inferno cannon, is again could be counted as offensive by your approach as inferno means hell...
Also the name's meaning, morning star, fits the gun itself well too as the gun fires balls of fire that burn with the power of the sun itself ;D
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Your suggestion, inferno cannon, is again could be counted as offensive by your approach as inferno means hell...
Oh, I didn't know... in German "Inferno" means "firestorm".... and then again... if the name "Inferno cannon" would be counted as an offence, "Lucifer cannon" would be even more....
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since you are, Gil, the only one who has a problem with that, concentrate of the meaning of the phrase as 'bringing light' because noone is offended by the name.
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Just you wait till Gil-Galad plays DOOM3.
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I don't intend to play Doom 3....
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I've always thought of it in the light-bringing sense, since, you know, it shoots a big ball of light.
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Yes, but it is doubtful, if the aliens can understand the name, or even know it - if not, the psychological effect is missed... then the only purpose would be that the humans are perhaps encouraged of this name... and even if it would be so, another name would fit better in my opinion (e.g. inferno cannon)
As I said before, the war is (I think) new-ish, so the gun will probably have been made pre-war, and therefore designed for other fights.
As to what those fight were I don't know, but I would assume they were shooting other humans.
And if you were a mercenary going gun shopping, would you buy the "Lucifer cannon" or the cute bunni launcher?
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And if you were a mercenary going gun shopping, would you buy the "Lucifer cannon" or the cute bunni launcher?
Bad example, I've seen that mod. I'd take the bunny launcher.
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Why are we even discussing this?
@Gil
The world and especially life is a harsh mistress. Stop being the whiny schoolgirl.
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there are few things
what is more devilish then killing someone by shooting a hole through them with a flaming ball of plasma.
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I can think of a few things, but trust me, you don't want to know what they are.
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A t-bag rifle, for one thing.
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And if you were a mercenary going gun shopping, would you buy the "Lucifer cannon" or the cute bunni launcher?
Bad example, I've seen that mod. I'd take the bunny launcher.
Seconded, i imagine the bunny launcher would be pretty damned devastating.
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Gil-Galad I friend of mine allways chose "that weapon" and now he has a satanic tattoo, wears in black and drinks blood. So, yeah, you're wright, "that weapon" name is dangerous. For God's sake, he was Buddist!
I suggest you to stop playing. Or even entering this forum, when with so many improper sexual references.
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And if you were a mercenary going gun shopping, would you buy the "Lucifer cannon" or the cute bunni launcher?
As a mercenary I would probably choose the better weapon, no matter how it is named...
Why are we even discussing this?
@Gil
The world and especially life is a harsh mistress. Stop being the whiny schoolgirl.
If you mean, why are the others discussing this, then the answer is probably: Because they can accept other opinions and discuss them rather polite, contrary to you.
If you mean, why I am discussing this, it is because I think Tremulous is a great game and I am bothered only by this.
Gil-Galad I friend of mine allways chose "that weapon" and now he has a satanic tattoo, wears in black and drinks blood. So, yeah, you're wright, "that weapon" name is dangerous. For God's sake, he was Buddist!
I suggest you to stop playing. Or even entering this forum, when with so many improper sexual references.
I suppose, you can read, can't you? -->
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As for people objecting on religious grounds, why? Either people don't believe the devil / Lucifer exist, or they believe god will protect them. (I'm sure there's a lot more than those two options, but those are the main two AFAIK).
It's not that... I mean, it simply doesn't seem right to me to use a satanistic name for a weapon, no matter of the belief. (To me it looks like a provocation or an offence....)
Maybe you think it ridiculous - and it is indeed foolish to think of the devil as a red guy with horns and a tail or something else and it is very foolish to think, that this is how the devil is pictured in religion either...
First of all, you have to explain in what way I used "improper sexual references".
And why should I stop playing and entering the forum? Just because you don't like my opinion, my religion and because you are too ignorant to respect and discuss other opinions than your own?
If you have nothing better to say than insults and if your posts are only personal attacks than it would be better if you would just shut up!
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I'm just happy Gil-Galad can structure sentences. It would be far too easy to dismiss his argument if he posted with the same level of competence as most such threads are prone to have.
The problem seems to be that Gil-Galad comes from 'polite society'. 'Polite society' happens to be the breeding ground for 'political correctness'. This is the idea that somehow people you don't know should be treated with more care and consideration than those friends you like to set fire to. Your friends know you're only joking and will happily play along, but not everyone is like your friends. You might even know this and say "Screw the strangers, I have plenty of firewood already". You continue to burn your buddies and passersby till soon enough the police arrive at which point you decide you're bored with this luxurious life and runoff to the hills to live the remainder of your life in a damp cave, burning Owls and small furry animals.
Of course political correctness has it's ugly side. The one where people aren't allowed to set fire to anything in case someone might object to it. Fires are then only started in an intimate setting between consenting adults. The world is harmonious for a couple of hours then explodes into panic when the sun comes up...
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Bottom line: Don't expect anything or anyone to be polite or politically correct here.
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With "Improper sexual references" I meant that you have learnt what 69 was here. And having sex only for pleasure is a capital sin (just in case you didn't know).
I don't say I don't like your opinion! I say that, if you think that name stuff is important, you just shoudn't bother playing. You may learn other sinful things. And people ingame can be so awfully rude... I even read a blasphemy! I went to church and prayed for five hours until God removed that sentence from my memory.
PS: I'm not trying to insult but to show you how stupid this issue can be. That means: yes, I'm being sarcastic.
PS2: I mean... It's just a weapon name! People shouldn't be afraid of such thing!
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Bottom line: Don't expect anything or anyone to be polite or politically correct here.
You should totally run the tourist department here.
"Come to our forum! Filled exclusively with hatred and vitriol! Expect only anger and suffering!"
^ that is totally you am I right I think I am.
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While I agree the term "Lucifer Cannon" could be potentially offensive to some people, there is an easy answer:
If you are offended by it, don't play the game. There are plenty of games out there that are non-offensive. Just walk away, and find a different one.
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You still miss the point:
If such nonsense as a name already is enough to offend you, then this forums are definitely too much for your weak heart and stomach. F.e. the gayporn story "Who" posted about the beginning of the Tremulous universe. Or other explicit content. No one cares if your offended by it or not. But if it is too much you should go to some other forums which cater to "Jesus loving Folk" or are more "pure".
Also, I suggest your parents get an Internet Filter to save you from the horrors of the world.
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Quote tower faggotry.
While I appreciate you posting the exact same thing I did, only 50 times longer, more offensive, and less exciting to read... ::)
I'm highly amused by your bigotry and lack of "tolerance." It's one thing to run someone off of the forums for disliking an aspect of the game the forums center around, but it's quite another to start attacking his religion, and using personal insults simply because he has an ethical question.
You're walking that fine line that so few can: You're unable to post any content of merit, but you're also a shitty troll.
Failing that hard takes talent, so here, have a trophy.
(http://starfleetfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/asshat_trophy.jpg)
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Show me one line or word where I insulted him.
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hmm it's also edited.. just wanted to point that out.
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hmm it's also edited.. just wanted to point that out.
I edited out the "quote tower" which seemed very important to him.
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Just saying you can't prove what you edited out...
But I don't want to get involved in anything silly so whatever.
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Too late man, you're committed.
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You still miss the point:
If such nonsense as a name already is enough to offend you, then this forums are definitely too much for your weak heart and stomach. F.e. the gayporn story "Who" posted about the beginning of the Tremulous universe. Or other explicit content. No one cares if your offended by it or not. But if it is too much you should go to some other forums which cater to "Jesus loving Folk" or are more "pure".
Also, I suggest your parents get an Internet Filter to save you from the horrors of the world.
This might harden you up then.
SATAN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_metal)
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SATAN (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2248)
^I fixed your link for you.
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SATAN (http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2248)
^I fixed your link for you.
0. K.
I'm going to take that as a complement.
AS AN INDICATION OF THE HEAVIEST PERSON ON THESE FORUMS.
I can has custom badge noaw?
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If you are reading this, I am already dead, and on my way to hell. I leave with you my last Will and Testament. My Estate and belongings are to be divided as follows:
To Steely Ann, my bereaved lover, I leave "Spanky the SmileyDildo™." May he provide comfort for you on many a cold night, when I am not there to warm you.
To Player1, my friend and ally, I leave my autographed Sarah Palin barbie. I know she's your favorite.
To Lava Croft, my dearest mentor and father figure I leave my mousy brown toupee. I'm certain he'll put it to better use than I ever did.
And finally to Kaleo, my future landlord in a much warmer climate. To you sir, I bequeeth my most prized posession of all. I ask that you cherish it, and accept it as a goodwill bribe to let me out a few millenia early, if it so pleases you. I give to you my platinum "Iron Maiden" Devil badge. Treat her with love.
(http://www.leninimports.com/iron_maiden_devil_cast_badge.jpg)
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Farewell cruel world!
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How to destroy a thread:
1.- Find a fight
2.- Call someone "troll" (so everyone knows it's not you)
3.- One feeds each other.
4.- PROFIT!
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"lucifer" means "match" in Dutch.
(you know, the little wooden stick you can use to start a fire)
I'm offended by the idea that someone could be offended by this.
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Everyone fails. Good night.
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I'm offended by the idea that someone could be offended by this.
If you try to please everybody, you will please nobody. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try, does mean you shouldn't try too hard.
IMO one complaint from millions of players is good going.
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If you try to please everybody, you will please nobody. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try, does mean you shouldn't try too hard.
IMO one complaint from millions of players is good going.
+1 Karma for that one. Even though you were the first person to ever flame me on Tremulous.net... :o
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If I would state my position on every insult and personal attack that has been made since my last post, it would go beyond the scope of this article. It just seems to me that some of you have a rather strange image of religion.....
@Bissig: Your only intention seems to be to offend me and to lead away of the original thread. As I said before, your articles are evidence of your ignorance and your inability to accept and discuss an opinion, apart from your own.
Bottom line: Don't expect anything or anyone to be polite or politically correct here.
I disagree with you - there are many people here, who are obviously able to discuss an opinion rather polite and objective - you included. But unfortunately, there are others, like Bissig, whose aim seems to be to erase every opinion contrary to their own.
If you try to please everybody, you will please nobody. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try, does mean you shouldn't try too hard.
IMO one complaint from millions of players is good going.
Maybe I am just the only one who had enough courage to say that he doesn't like the name "Lucifer Cannon" - I could understand that, after all the insults and personal attacks I got....
I just tried to explain my opinion and I tried to do this in a polite and factual way. The name of the Lucifer Cannon won't stop me from playing Tremulous, which does not mean that I like it after all - the opposite is true: It still annoys me, but as it seems that I am the only one who has a problem with that, it won't change....
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You were very sensible for not immediately starting an enormous flamewar just because a few people trolled you. I respect that, and everyone else should too.
Don't be so harsh on Bissig. It's just that he has very little tolerance for anything he perceives as stupid — which, unfortunately, seems to include your take on the Lucifer Cannon issue.
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Show me one line or word where I insulted him.
I'm having trouble finding one line that isn't insulting or agressive.
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Powa, Powa, Powa...
Please don't continue it, that's what he wants.
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Go on topic people. Else I won't be nice.
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Galad I know your religion says "don't take God's name in vain", but it doesn't say the same about the name of the Fallen (unless you prove me wrong). In fact, I think the Bible said that the devil is strong but never as strong as a human can be (I can't remember where was that, but I heard it on the Church). By that it means that, anyone opposing to Lucifer will stand forever, and the only necessary thing is the force of will.
I do really think that anyone caring about the name is really opposing Lucifer. So I guess there is no problem to anyone's soul.
PS: I'm allways talking about Catholic Church, my parent's religion and the only one I've been taught about.
PS2: And yes, I became atheist but I'll never forget my childhood lessons :P
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@OP: I think the word you are looking for is satanic, not "satanistic". Also, please consider what is actually meant by referring to something as satanic, what the origin of the term is, and any inherited apprehensions or unexamined connotations of the term you may have swallowed whole.
Perhaps "Jesus-Loves-You-Now-Let's-Send-Your-Soul-to-Burn-in-Hell-for-All-Eternity-You-Godless-Alien-Monstrosity Cannon" just wouldn't fit in the Armory menu.
But really, shouldn't all weapons be named for the Devil? Doesn't their very use defy God's own Sixth Commandment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCz0-HY1TLU)? Harm none, yet do as you will.
I say repent now, and stay away from virtual video violence in the future. It's bad for the soul.
Welcome to the forums. First Quake-based game? Mostly they are filled with demons, gore, disrespectful behavior, and the kind of people who listen to heavy metal music. You may be offended by more than just words, but remember: God is testing you. Surrender to His authority and accept your suffering in humble servitude.
Or, as St. Francis said, and you paraphrased above: You may have to learn to accept that which you cannot change.
Cheers!
P.S. Maybe you can just refer to it as a Luci Cannon, and forget the dreaded origin of the name, which is probably either a pun, the euhemerization of some Goddess (Ishtar, Astarte, Asherah) or just the misapprehension of older traditions by the early Church syncretists (or what is more likely, a combination of the three effects). An astronomical, punning, or cultic reference has become lodged in translated scripture, often after the original meaning of the individual letters that make up the phoneme has been lost, or the phoneme becomes represented by a purely phonetic combination, representing only the sound of the word, and not its inherent meaning. Such punning was extremely common in ancient times, as were many astronomical references in cultic and mythological tales. I refer you to any chart of Phoenician and Hebrew letters for the meanings of the original West Semitic characters. Also, demonization of the gods of other peoples is the main business of theologians and clerics. Consider the possible reasons for demonizing a cult of the Morning/Evening Star (the widespread Goddess cult which was subsumed into worship of the later patriarchal sky-gods). I further refer you to the works of Martin Bernal and Marija Gimbutas, as well as to the Gathas of Zarathushtra, the mythology of Ancient Greece, or any book on Wicca. Enjoy.
Lux Cannon?
Beat your Plasma Rifle into a Hoverplow. Stop the Anti-Alien Aggression. Hug a cuddwy gwanga today.
@Kaine's ghost: You mean she's not mint, in the package? I'll always wonder where she's been. Nevertheless, I accept your kind gift, sir. And all I got you was President Ackerman's autobiography. P.S. Stop haunting me.
(http://nerd-paradise.com/images/nerd/nerd_385x261.jpg)
re-edit'd for better linkage
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And finally to Kaleo, my future landlord in a much warmer climate. To you sir, I bequeeth my most prized posession of all. I ask that you cherish it, and accept it as a goodwill bribe to let me out a few millenia early, if it so pleases you. I give to you my platinum "Iron Maiden" Devil badge. Treat her with love.
(http://www.leninimports.com/iron_maiden_devil_cast_badge.jpg)
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Farewell cruel world!
Awwwww Hell yeah!
It appears, Sir, that we have struck a deal.
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In an effort to be constructive, since this thread is going nowhere fast:
Gil, you are totally free to patch the client and change the name of the weapon to anything you like. It shouldn't take much, just add a string replacement on every message which would be displayed on screen, it shouldn't take more than that.
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Finding unpure servers may be an issue; I'm not sure whether SST is still up (I haven't played in ages, and when I did, it wasn't on SST).
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SST is very much still up.
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Man, glad we haven't released the name of the updated lcannon for 1.2 - The Your-Religion-sucks Cannon (bind yrscannon)
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Man, glad we haven't released the name of the updated lcannon for 1.2 - The Your-Religion-sucks Cannon (bind yrscannon)
ysosrscannon
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How about the Cannons-Actually-Need-No-Offensive-Names Cannon?
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BloodyGodKiller Cannon would be better. But should be more stronger, because "God" stupefy many milions people. Instead of some small almost unknown "Lucifer" ;)
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CAHAAWAcannon has a nice ring to it.
Conservative - Anti-Homosexual - Anti-Abortion - White - American Cannon
Bland Cannon is nice too. Actually, I find cannon to be offensive as well. It should be called the "normal sized regular power shooting device of happyness" - NSRPSD. (HappYness because of that Will Smith movie)
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I think we should all just stop spending our credits at the Armory, anyway. If we save up we can start our own commune/ashram/compound/free-love-and-hemp-based-society, where the Clones of Ked Ambrit and the Eggspawn from Space can live together in peace and harmony. We're only perpetuating the cycle of violence. Love thine enemy, turn the other cheek, beat your sword into a plowshare and hug a cuddly granger today!
Words. If you get caught up in them, you will find out they are still just words. The only power they have is the power you give them.
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Player1 can i plz have your brain?
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In an effort to be constructive, since this thread is going nowhere fast:
Gil, you are totally free to patch the client and change the name of the weapon to anything you like. It shouldn't take much, just add a string replacement on every message which would be displayed on screen, it shouldn't take more than that.
Yes, I think this is the best solution - but as I am not so versed at such things, can you please send me a fool-proof guide how to do this?
Some seem to have misunderstood why I object to the name of the Lucifer Cannon. It is not because I fear to loose my faith or such a thing - it is because in Catholicism you shouldn't joke about Lucifer (because if you joke about something, you don't take it seriously).
As it seems to me that there has been said everything that has to be said, I think that it is time to end this discussion. I thank everyone who tried to be polite and constructive.
finis
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let's just say it's a belgian-made weapon.
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Yes, I think this is the best solution - but as I am not so versed at such things, can you please send me a fool-proof guide how to do this?
Well, nothing is foolproof, but you have to download the sources and have to edit the following files:
src/game/bg_misc.c: search for "lcannon" (including the quotes) and change that to "bbuster", and in the following line change "Lucifer Cannon" to "Base Buster".
src/cgame/cg_event.c: search for "'s lucifer cannon" and change to "'s base buster" (this appears twice in the file !).
ui/infopanes.def.h: search for "Lucifer Cannon\n\n" and change to "Base Buster\n\n".
ui/help.txt: search for Lucifer Cannon and replace with Base Buster (2x).
Then compile the project by running make in the top directory and you will get a new cgame.qvm in the folder build/release-<something>/base/vm.
Then you can use this cgame.qvm to replace the cgame.qvm in the vms-1.1.0.pk3 (this is just a zip file with a different extension).
The files ui/infopanes.def and ui/help.txt have to be placed directly in your data-1.1.0.pk3.
You will not be able to connect to pure servers, because they'll see that you have a modified client and assume that you might be cheating. Also the name lucifer cannon / lcannon will still be used in the game engine, but all the user-visible strings will be pure.
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may i recommend a swift eastern european solution: cover the texts with some ducktape on the monitor! ;-)
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(http://www.godsgps.com/wp-content/jesus-glasses.thumbnail.JPG) (http://thescroogereport.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/ray-jesus.jpg)
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Some seem to have misunderstood why I object to the name of the Lucifer Cannon. It is not because I fear to loose my faith or such a thing - it is because in Catholicism you shouldn't joke about Lucifer (because if you joke about something, you don't take it seriously).
Where's the joke on "Lucifer cannon"? I will take ok that you consider putting his name into a weapon isn't too "serious and respectable", but it isn't like we call it "the good old lucifer" or something like that.
I think you take this far more serious than it really is. But well, I will go to hell if I write "I shit on god" so I guess words are really important on that religion.
EDIT: This is my last post on this thread, because I sound like a troll when I try to make you take it less serious :-\
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I can understand if complacency toward The Devil is frowned upon in your faith but you've shown that you are not complacent. I'm curious why is it important that others know you aren't complacent? Surely the matter is no secret to God so you're only defending peoples opinion of you.
Also, would it be improper to use the Devils name in fiction so long as he is presented as a serious evil?
Would it be acceptable for him to be overtly homosexual in this fiction?
How about if he were a space pirate?
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How about if he were a space pirate?
I'd read that book.
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Other possible names:
"Kill-Frag Cannon" (KFC)
"Glowy Yellow Ball Cannon" (GYBC)
"Boom-Stick" (BS)
"Big Beeping Boom Ball Cannon" (BBBBC)
"The Cannon With The Formerly Politically Incorrect Name That Was Changed As It Could Not Be Mentioned In Public Without Insulting Some Of The More Sensitive Members Of The Tremulous Community" (TCWTFPINTWCAICNBMIPWISOTMSMOTTC)
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I go with TCWTFPINTWCAICNBMIPWISOTMSMOTTC
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the people responsible for sacking the namers of the lucifer cannon have been sacked.
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We apologise for the fault in the
subtitles. Those responsible have been
sacked.
Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti...
We apologise again for the fault in the
subtitles. Those responsible for sacking
the people who have just been sacked,
have been sacked.
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;D
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We apologise for the fault in the
subtitles. Those responsible have been
sacked.
Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti...
We apologise again for the fault in the
subtitles. Those responsible for sacking
the people who have just been sacked,
have been sacked.
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;D
One of the greatest movies of our time.
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Beware of stranger-dangers and sinister-ministers.
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@gimhael: Thank you for your help.
@Ellohir: Yes, maybe you are right and I take this too serious... :-\ - but I just don't want to use the name of Lucifer without need... - and not the words are important, but the meanings of words. ;)
@Nux: I wanted to get to know the opinion of other people first and foremost and I wanted to know either, if anyone here shares my opinion. - That is the reason why I expressed my view... not because I wanted to show that I am not complacent as you called it.
And now please let us put an end to this discussion.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you brought it up. It's fun to talk about what is considered offensive and what is not. I fully understand that you simply wanted to hear other opinions about the matter.
I just find it interesting that a person can be offended by something because it gives the impression that someone else doesn't care about it.
Unlike in science, where if I say Global warming is fiction it can be countered with evidence and feelings generally won't be hurt, in matters of faith there is no evidence. This might make it slightly more frustrating. Surely in this case this is a good test of the strength of your faith and conviction.
Now I'll await the reprisal after announcing my latest invention: The "GlobalWarming Cannon". I might offend some environmentalists but I see that as a necessary evil.
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If you want to prove your faith in what you believe in, there's really more useful stuff to do(people are dieing because of starvation, dude) than bashing a weapon name from a stupid first-person shooter...
PS: p1: oh yeah and don't forget to never ever lend money to anyone, eh :)
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I hate religious fanatics.
He's playing a game where the entire purpose is to kill your opponent.
What a hypocrit.......
Although I can't say I hate you, I can personally say that it is pretty annoying. If you're so down about such a name, then why are you playing these kind of games.
First off, if you feel offended by such a minor thing, then you shouldn't be on here.
Right now, you're on the internet, where 2 sites on 3 is about porn or deals around porn.
And as a friendly gesture I'll advise you to never EVER get near mIrc.
Secondly, good luck finding a politically correct game, because those are VERY rare, in fact such a thing is impossible, because anything that might not be offensive to you, might be offensive to another person in the world. There are more religions in this world than you can count, and so many different people that you just can't please everyone.
Finally I'd like to leave with a little message to the other people who want a good laugh. Some parts were left out so people don'T know where its from and so they don't rape him for fun ;) bolded text is a point out from me
I found problems in the game ********* that is need to be solve. (please look at my screenshot or picture attachment in this e-mail.)As you can see in my screenshot, there are names and words in the game ********* that are
satanic, demonic, offensive and inappropiate for the gamers and users of *********. The satanic, demonic and inapprotpiate words that I am saying are the quest item rewards like the demonic gloves 'DEMON HAND', the satanic sword 'DEMON BRINGER', the demonic sacrifial quest item 'Devil's Dictionary'. I respectfully and sincerely suggest to please change these demonic names into non-demonic names, for example change the demonic name 'DEMON HAND' into a non-demonic name 'DARK HAND', change the demonic name 'DEMON BRINGER' to into non-demonic name 'SHADOW BRINGER', change the demonic name 'DEVIL'S DICTIONARY' into non-demonic name 'MYSTIC DICTIONARY'.I am sure that we can find words and names that are not demonic to use in the game *********.
I hope you dont get angry why I suggest to change the names, items, characters, and any other objects in your game. I just suggest this kind of request because we must follow our good religious belief like buddhism, christianity, muslim and any other good religion.
According to our good religion teachings like buddhism, christianity, and other good religion, the names and words devil, demon, witch, warlock, necromancer, evil spirit and any other demonic names are very evil and against our good religion. Please imagine this, if we players uses the items, quest, skills, characters, npc and any other objects that has demonic names,
we players are like servants of the devil. Gamers using objects that have demonic names in your game is against our good religious belief like buddhism, christianity, muslim, and any other good
religion. Im sure all of us players want to change the demonic names and words existing your game because all of us in the world including you company believes in good religion like buddhism, christianity and many other good religion. In order to change the objects, items, skills and many more that has demonic names in the game into non-demonic names or words,
we must create a new patch or update to change the demonic names in the game.
I know that your company is very wise and hard working to change the demonic names in the game into non-demonic names. Im sure most of the gamers will agree and be happy if you change these
demonic names into non-demonic names because all of us people in this world believe in good religion like christianity, buddhism, and many more good religions.
I dont say that your company are very evil, I know that your company are very good and wise. I think this is just a little mistake by some of your employee but this mistake of naming objects
with demonic names can be corrected by changing the demonic names objects of the game into something better to follow the rules of our good religion, even your company believes in good religion like buddhism, christianity and many other good religion.
I hope you understand my good reason. I hope and pray that your good company will be good and wise to change the the demonic names in your game into something better with the help of god in heaven. I also hope if your company is planning to add some demonic names in ********* and other in development projects in the future, please change them into non-satanic names before the problem gets worst.
In return, you have my support and my assistance. Never will I use hacks and cheats in *********. Never will I advertise illegal private server of ********* here in our cyber cafe or internet cafe. I will spend my money to buy items at the item shop of *********.
Please reply to me if you time, I will patiently wait for your reply.
My email is *********@hotmail.com or *********@hotmail.com or *********@yahoo.com
Sorry for my poor english grammar if there is any.
Thank you very much, sincerely yours, god in heaven bless you always.
Oh boy
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I don't believe I've ever read a block of text with so little information per word.
To summarize: I have a problem with your usage of demonic terms and I can suggest alternatives. Everybody loves religion! Please do this for me, my religion and all the people in the entire world. If you do this I won't commit crimes against you.
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And since it is adressing all religions it is probably written by some poor sod that has to support some game. So, he wrote the end-user version of the "Dear customer/taxpayer/god, please let me tell how much..."
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IMHO anybody who has to stoop down to insulting peoples set of moral principles and religion is an overall pathetic being.
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IMHO anybody who has to stoop down to insulting peoples set of moral principles and religion is an overall pathetic being.
I think it has more to do with the fact that it really is not a big deal.
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I hereby modify my response to suggest that anyone thus offended, should perhaps concentrate instead on the Infinite Names of the Endless One!
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I hereby modify my response to suggest that anyone thus offended, should perhaps concentrate instead on the Infinite Names of the Endless One!
Or bow and worship The Old Ones.
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As it is going now there have been no worthwile contributions for a while. Lock is in place. If any god really minds he'll sure be able to open this topic again.