The name of the Lucifer Cannon

[Gil-Galad]

To which meaning of the name "Lucifer" refers the "Lucifer Cannon"? To the morning star (as Lucifer is the Latin name of the morning star), to Lucifer Calaritanus a bishop in the 4th century or to Lucifer as the name of Satan?

[David]

I would assume it referers to Satan, as its meant to be a scary weapon that spews hot plasma doom.

"Your name is in the mouth of others: be sure it has teeth."

[Gil-Galad]

Yes, I thought of the same, but I couldn't be sure as there is more than one meaning....

Isn't the name missed in spite of this, as Lucifer means Light-Bringer (or Light-Bearer)? And aren't there problems because of religious reasons, as the name Lucifer Cannon is satanistic due to the fact that it refers to Satan?
(I myself object to this name because of religious reasons)

[David]

In "popular culture" (at least here) when you say Lucifer people think the devil and evil etc, which would fit with the intended big scary weapon image wanted.
As for people objecting on religious grounds, why?  Either people don't believe the devil / Lucifer exist, or they believe god will protect them.  (I'm sure there's a lot more than those two options, but those are the main two AFAIK).

[Gil-Galad]

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As for people objecting on religious grounds, why?  Either people don't believe the devil / Lucifer exist, or they believe god will protect them.  (I'm sure there's a lot more than those two options, but those are the main two AFAIK).

It's not that... I mean, it simply doesn't seem right to me to use a satanistic name for a weapon, no matter of the belief. (To me it looks like a provocation or an offence....)
Maybe you think it ridiculous - and it is indeed foolish to think of the devil as a red guy with horns and a tail or something else and it is very foolish to think, that this is how the devil is pictured in religion either...

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you won't have an orgasm if you write 69 down many times.

[Gil-Galad]

you won't have an orgasm if you write 69 down many times.

I am sorry, but I don't know, what you mean.... what has the number 69 to do with orgasms?

[David]

He's refering to this[NSFW].

[Gil-Galad]

I see, but this has nothing to do with the topic...

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a name 'lucifer cannon' will not have affect on your faith/religion such as you won't have an orgasm if you write 69 down many times.

got it now?

[Gil-Galad]

Yes, but I never said so....

It's not that... I mean, it simply doesn't seem right to me to use a satanistic name for a weapon, no matter of the belief. (To me it looks like a provocation or an offence....)
Maybe you think it ridiculous - and it is indeed foolish to think of the devil as a red guy with horns and a tail or something else and it is very foolish to think, that this is how the devil is pictured in religion either...

[David]

(To me it looks like a provocation or an offence....)

I think that's kind of the point, its an offensive weapon with no purpose but to kill and destroy, and so deserves and offensive name.
Also, the original story is lacking in dates, but I get the feeling that the "war" is relativity new, and so the Lucifer Cannon will have been designed and named with the intention of killing other people.  Not sure if that really has any impact, but meh.

Military Units, especially some WW2 fighter squadrons, have long subscribed to the idea that names should be scary and offensive.  Physiological warfare at its best.

[Syntac]

Don't you mean psychological warfare?

[zeld]

In Dutch a 'lucifer' means the same as the English 'match', or, a bringer of light

[Gil-Galad]

I think that's kind of the point, its an offensive weapon with no purpose but to kill and destroy, and so deserves and offensive name.
Also, the original story is lacking in dates, but I get the feeling that the "war" is relativity new, and so the Lucifer Cannon will have been designed and named with the intention of killing other people.  Not sure if that really has any impact, but meh.

Military Units, especially some WW2 fighter squadrons, have long subscribed to the idea that names should be scary and offensive.  Physiological warfare at its best.

Yes, but it is doubtful, if the aliens can understand the name, or even know it - if not, the psychological effect is missed... then the only purpose would be that the humans are perhaps encouraged of this name... and even if it would be so, another name would fit better in my opinion (e.g. inferno cannon)

In Dutch a 'lucifer' means the same as the English 'match', or, a bringer fo light

As I said before, the name "Lucifer" comes from Latin and means Light-Bringer or Light-Bearer (lux.-cis f. - the light; fero,fers,ferre,tuli,latum - to bring/bear)

[Tycho]

Gil-galad: I think you made this name from an anthill to a mountain... If you don't like it as a reference to the devil then take it as the bringer of light... Your suggestion, inferno cannon, is again could be counted as offensive by your approach as inferno means hell...

Also the name's meaning, morning star, fits the gun itself well too as the gun fires balls of fire that burn with the power of the sun itself

[Gil-Galad]

Your suggestion, inferno cannon, is again could be counted as offensive by your approach as inferno means hell...

Oh, I didn't know... in German "Inferno" means "firestorm".... and then again... if the name "Inferno cannon" would be counted as an offence, "Lucifer cannon" would be even more....

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since you are, Gil, the only one who has a problem with that, concentrate of the meaning of the phrase as 'bringing light' because noone is offended by the name.

[Taiyo.uk]

Just you wait till Gil-Galad plays DOOM3.

[Gil-Galad]

I don't intend to play Doom 3....

[Norfenstein]

I've always thought of it in the light-bringing sense, since, you know, it shoots a big ball of light.

[David]

Yes, but it is doubtful, if the aliens can understand the name, or even know it - if not, the psychological effect is missed... then the only purpose would be that the humans are perhaps encouraged of this name... and even if it would be so, another name would fit better in my opinion (e.g. inferno cannon)

As I said before, the war is (I think) new-ish, so the gun will probably have been made pre-war, and therefore designed for other fights.
As to what those fight were I don't know, but I would assume they were shooting other humans.

And if you were a mercenary going gun shopping, would you buy the "Lucifer cannon" or the cute bunni launcher?

[Rocinante]

And if you were a mercenary going gun shopping, would you buy the "Lucifer cannon" or the cute bunni launcher?

Bad example, I've seen that mod.  I'd take the bunny launcher.

[Bissig]

Why are we even discussing this?

@Gil

The world and especially life is a harsh mistress. Stop being the whiny schoolgirl.

[cactusfrog]

there are few things what is more devilish then killing someone by shooting a hole through them with a flaming ball of plasma.

[Syntac]

I can think of a few things, but trust me, you don't want to know what they are.

[Paradox]

A t-bag rifle, for one thing.

[Tremulant]

And if you were a mercenary going gun shopping, would you buy the "Lucifer cannon" or the cute bunni launcher?

Bad example, I've seen that mod.  I'd take the bunny launcher.

Seconded, i imagine the bunny launcher would be pretty damned devastating.

[Ellohir]

Gil-Galad I friend of mine allways chose "that weapon" and now he has a satanic tattoo, wears in black and drinks blood. So, yeah, you're wright, "that weapon" name is dangerous. For God's sake, he was Buddist!

I suggest you to stop playing. Or even entering this forum, when with so many improper sexual references.

[Gil-Galad]

And if you were a mercenary going gun shopping, would you buy the "Lucifer cannon" or the cute bunni launcher?

As a mercenary I would probably choose the better weapon, no matter how it is named...

Why are we even discussing this?

@Gil

The world and especially life is a harsh mistress. Stop being the whiny schoolgirl.

If you mean, why are the others discussing this, then the answer is probably: Because they can accept other opinions and discuss them rather polite, contrary to you.
If you mean, why I am discussing this, it is because I think Tremulous is a great game and I am bothered only by this.

Gil-Galad I friend of mine allways chose "that weapon" and now he has a satanic tattoo, wears in black and drinks blood. So, yeah, you're wright, "that weapon" name is dangerous. For God's sake, he was Buddist!

I suggest you to stop playing. Or even entering this forum, when with so many improper sexual references.

I suppose, you can read, can't you? -->

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As for people objecting on religious grounds, why?  Either people don't believe the devil / Lucifer exist, or they believe god will protect them.  (I'm sure there's a lot more than those two options, but those are the main two AFAIK).

It's not that... I mean, it simply doesn't seem right to me to use a satanistic name for a weapon, no matter of the belief. (To me it looks like a provocation or an offence....)
Maybe you think it ridiculous - and it is indeed foolish to think of the devil as a red guy with horns and a tail or something else and it is very foolish to think, that this is how the devil is pictured in religion either...

First of all, you have to explain in what way I used "improper sexual references".
And why should I stop playing and entering the forum? Just because you don't like my opinion, my religion and because you are too ignorant to respect and discuss other opinions than your own?
If you have nothing better to say than insults and if your posts are only personal attacks than it would be better if you would just shut up!