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yetshi

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« on: June 26, 2006, 04:45:37 am »
everybody plays builder.

A. everybody on the team can repair damaged structures, keeping all the defense in peak shape.

B. your a builder if you leave your a dead man and you know it ,so you will never leave the base.

hang back, gain your longevitity bonus and once the turrets get the team to S3 youll have enough cash to pick up a Bsuit and lucy and hunt all you want.

meanwhile aliens are stuck at S1 (even with 9evo they cant go over basic goon which is useless against a anything humans have at S3) and can be easily slaughtered in a few minutes.

hang back, let the Turrets and teslas do the work for you. if you go rambo your only going to end up dead.

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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2006, 05:01:42 am »
HOORAY FOR CAMPING

chompers

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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2006, 05:37:16 am »
I'm pretty sure you missed the part where you have to destroy all the eggs and kill all the aliens to win.

But hey, whatever works for you. It is always nice to see the armory well oiled and polished when I get back from blowing up the overmind.  ;)

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Re: how to win or stalemate as human every single time.
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2006, 06:13:25 am »
Quote from: "yetshi"
everybody plays builder.

A. everybody on the team can repair damaged structures, keeping all the defense in peak shape.

B. your a builder if you leave your a dead man and you know it ,so you will never leave the base.

hang back, gain your longevitity bonus and once the turrets get the team to S3 youll have enough cash to pick up a Bsuit and lucy and hunt all you want.

meanwhile aliens are stuck at S1 (even with 9evo they cant go over basic goon which is useless against a anything humans have at S3) and can be easily slaughtered in a few minutes.

hang back, let the Turrets and teslas do the work for you. if you go rambo your only going to end up dead.


If the humans do this (especially if, like you said in A, *everyone* uses the construction kit), the aliens will catch on pretty soon, stop attacking, and wait for the humans to venture some distance away from their base. If the humans continue to stay in their base, the game will get really boring. Since Tremulous is a game (in other words, it's pointless if you don't have fun, which you won't in a boring match) as opposed to a real war where people die, it's in everyone's interest if the Humans get out of their base and attack when the Aliens catch on.
   Besides, it's hard to find a game where every member of the Human team thinks that camping in the base is a good idea.
   So to sum up, you *can* stalemate with the strategy you described; but stalemates are boring and everyone hates boring Tremulous matches, so the humans will (or at least should, for the sake of their own enjoyment) eventually get out and attack.

On a side note, it's probably possible for Aliens to do something similar. Aliens can't repair, but if every alien plays as a Granger, there will always be enough Grangers (who aren't waiting on a build timer) to immediately replace any tubes or trappers that go down. And again, this would be BOOOORING!
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2006, 07:02:27 am »
Granger swarms are worse than mass builders in that respect. Sometimes you have games of nothing but grangers making eggs that spit out more grangers, over and over and over and over.

But yeah, you don't stage up from turret kills, and once the aliens figure it out, they'll just sit around and get 9 evos, so it'll be S1 humans against maras and goons, which will be coming in short order because there are eggs about 3 meters away that you never would've found because you never left the base. And since you're all builders, you're pretty screwed in the mad rush to the armo that you'll all do when your line of turrets collapse.

Once again, turrets do NOT stage up. I'm actually not sure what happens if you get under 50% of the damage to an alien but a turret finishes him off. If you get over 50% I think you get the stage point, but not the kill, but I'm not sure. I'd have to ask. But you still wouldn't get enough to get to S2 before the aliens see what's going on and just stop and plan. While you sit around twiddling your thumbs they've probably acid tubed all the exits and got eggs everywhere for their first and final offensive.

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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2006, 10:26:08 am »
I thought that turret kills didnt count towards stages, IF the alien killed by said turret had taken less than half damage from players ??

Anyway, human base is not strong enough to defend on its own, sure it can fend off dretches and occasional marauders, but a team of marauders jumping those 6-7 turrets will rip a base apart in 30 secs, and all the aliens would have to do is wait like the humans, for their bonus evolve points, humans are much better off with guns than repair kits :)
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2006, 11:40:47 am »
Quote from: "yetshi"
everybody plays builder.

A. everybody on the team can repair damaged structures, keeping all the defense in peak shape.

meanwhile aliens are stuck at S1 (even with 9evo they cant go over basic goon which is useless against a anything humans have at S3) and can be easily slaughtered in a few minutes.



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even with 9evo they cant go over basic goon which is useless against a anything humans have at S3


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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2006, 12:26:19 pm »
Yes, you must play those games with those new people who think a fully occupied base or bs is invincible? Are you in for a surprise.
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2006, 12:56:41 pm »
I wont comment all your post which is a lot of fun but only the first sentence to show you how far from truth you are :

Quote from: "yetshi"
A. everybody on the team can repair damaged structures, keeping all the defense in peak shape.


Point A is totally false : The human base is better than the alien one but nevertheless it cant defend itself...with only CK in your team your base would soon get crushed.
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2006, 03:25:38 pm »
Quote from: "Boggy B"
If the humans continue to stay in their base, the game will get really boring. Since Tremulous is a game (in other words, it's pointless if you don't have fun, which you won't in a boring match) as opposed to a real war where people die, it's in everyone's interest if the Humans get out of their base and attack when the Aliens catch on.


That's the point. Some people are so stupid that they don't even play the game for fun , and stick to that lame camping behavior just because it prevents the other team from winning. It is highly frustrating for the aliens , because such a behavior is not counterable - it is even encouraged by the game rules.

Think about it... how are humans rewarded credits ?

1) Kill bonus. Player gets credits for doing the most damage to a killed alien. Which behavior is most successful ?

a) Camp and wait for dretches to be visible , shoot them when they are. Lure them into dying to turrets , get credits for damaging them.

b) Get out of the base and fight aliens yourself (likely dying in a split second from 2 hits from a skilled dretch) , and chase retreating aliens to finish them off - killing credits go to the chaingun/pulse/luci spamming base camper who did the most damage.

2) Survival bonus. Player gets credits for staying alive longer than 2 minutes. What to do ?

a) Camp in a safe place (behind turrets) out of reach of melee aliens , let the credits come in without doing anything (or shoot passing aliens when you're bored)

b) Get out of the base and try to survive separated from most of your teammates , just on your own with your limited supplies. Try to keep aliens at bay with the ammo you have , use your only medikit to heal if you aren't killed in a split second , and run the hell away from 2 hungry dragoons as you're out of ammo.


Options a) are the easiest and safest way of earning credits , but no fun for the alien team. They aren't much fun for the humans either , but simpletons are usually satisfied to pile up cheap kills until they can shoot shiny luci bolts endlessly , walking around in a noisy armor.

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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2006, 04:13:39 pm »
Quote from: "yetshi"
everybody plays builder.

A. everybody on the team can repair damaged structures, keeping all the defense in peak shape.

B. your a builder if you leave your a dead man and you know it ,so you will never leave the base.

hang back, gain your longevitity bonus and once the turrets get the team to S3 youll have enough cash to pick up a Bsuit and lucy and hunt all you want.

meanwhile aliens are stuck at S1 (even with 9evo they cant go over basic goon which is useless against a anything humans have at S3) and can be easily slaughtered in a few minutes.

hang back, let the Turrets and teslas do the work for you. if you go rambo your only going to end up dead.


Do this plan on akka and aliens will butt fuck you every time.

See on akka turrets don't help your stage at all unless the players are actively doing damage to aliens first :P
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Stakhanov

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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2006, 04:16:28 pm »
Yes , his plan is flawed - rifle humans are needed. But what is the sense of "actively" damaging aliens staying safe behind turrets ?

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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2006, 05:11:52 pm »
Now let's see.. hhm...
Quote from: "yetshi"
everybody plays builder.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL,

*ahem*

thanks for the laugh

phaedrus

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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2006, 05:44:26 pm »
Sounds like a winning strategy to me (see player bar in signature).

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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2006, 11:40:22 pm »
Humans get credits for doing damage period, not just for doing the most. The amount of credits they receive is proportional to the % of the total damage they did to a dead alien.