Why do I like servers with unlimited build points?

[David]

I can leave base fine.  I know it won't be fully destroyed before the first of the attackers return.
Two reasons:  A) I know we aren't about to get attacked, because if I'm fighting you I know you aren't in my base, and B) people die.  No going to be long for *someone* to die and respawn.
If the entire alien team manages to sneak past us, then yeah, they rape our base.  But then they have no defenders either, so we rape them too.  So long as my base can last enough to rebuild, do I really care about it?

The base is a tool.  So long as it does its job, I really couldn't care if its always falling apart and getting destroyed.

[Urcscumug]

That's a very good philosophy of gameplay; unfortunately, it's almost exclusively embraced by the aliens and almost never by humans. Maybe it has to do with the fact eggs can act as repeaters right from the start, enabling advanced forward bases and spawn points. Humans can't do this with nodes, and it's a good thing IMO since otherwise they could turret-spam the dretches.

[UniqPhoeniX]

I can leave base fine.  I know it won't be fully destroyed before the first of the attackers return.
Two reasons:  A) I know we aren't about to get attacked, because if I'm fighting you I know you aren't in my base, and B) people die.  No going to be long for *someone* to die and respawn.
If the entire alien team manages to sneak past us, then yeah, they rape our base.  But then they have no defenders either, so we rape them too.  So long as my base can last enough to rebuild, do I really care about it?

In many cases 1 mara or goon is enough to kill armory, so no, you won't notice that 1 alien is NOT fighting you and aliens can have defenders. And that can (and against me often will) happen right as human attackers get far enough, I won't wait until you get to my base / meet some rants. After most of the attackers get killed, there will be mostly rifles left and aliens can usually keep attacking much more freely then humans. If there is 1 defender, a good adv goon can usually still snipe/pounce armory.

[David]

If a single alien can destroy anything, then your base sucks.
You have more turrets than buildings to protect.  How hard can it be?

[kevlarman]

I can leave base fine.  I know it won't be fully destroyed before the first of the attackers return.
Two reasons:  A) I know we aren't about to get attacked, because if I'm fighting you I know you aren't in my base, and B) people die.  No going to be long for *someone* to die and respawn.
If the entire alien team manages to sneak past us, then yeah, they rape our base.  But then they have no defenders either, so we rape them too.  So long as my base can last enough to rebuild, do I really care about it?

In many cases 1 mara or goon is enough to kill armory, so no, you won't notice that 1 alien is NOT fighting you and aliens can have defenders. And that can (and against me often will) happen right as human attackers get far enough, I won't wait until you get to my base / meet some rants. After most of the attackers get killed, there will be mostly rifles left and aliens can usually keep attacking much more freely then humans. If there is 1 defender, a good adv goon can usually still snipe/pounce armory.

if you're waiting until sudden death to attack, you're doing something wrong.

[Archangel]

Sure, without evos you can leave base. But for example when you are human and outside are tyrants and adv goons, you can't leave base even if human progress in atcs tunnel is very good. If you will do it, your base will be smashed with tyrants and sniped by goons in one minute or less. So you must camp.

But with UBP - if you have big fortress, you can leave main base without worry. You not need be camper. And that is reason why aliens can got main base more easilly, because it can be empty for long time. Too much structures, but empty.

That is reason, why I don't undestand why should be UPB server more campy than standard server.

Uh, sure. Arrange a time, I'll build the base. Unhoppable by any alien. Only thing it relies on is the humans not being retards. (i.e. UBP Builders, X server noobs, New players)

[rotacak]

Archangel: you trying to tell me this?: When you build unhoppable base, then that base can be found empty on crowded server? No. Because humans dying and spawning still in main base. But with UBP they can spawn somewhere else and they can heal and buy weapons in "mini" bases around map.

So on UBP servers are players in many places, in many bases. On standard servers are players in battle or in one base.

[UniqPhoeniX]

if you're waiting until sudden death to attack, you're doing something wrong.

Ofc this will be a lot more effective in SD, almost a guarantee to win. Before SD it will at least stop humans from keeping up their attack.

Some examples that don't need SD: 2 +goons, both snipe a node and then pounce armory, or snipe 6-8 barbs into RC and then pounce it, or snipe 4+ rets in a row (depending on how close they are to each other, considering explosion splash) and then kill the rest. Harder to do, but will guarantee a win in half a minute. And nothing the humans can do except of leaving a camper or 2, and hope they won't be incompetent. Also I'm not saying all bases are vulnerable to these specific attacks, but many are, and you won't always have only good players in your team. Aliens can even prepare to lose their base by building 2-3 eggs out of base.
The point is that 100 bp bases are vulnerable to 1 small quick attack, you don't need several attacks / whole team.

[Archangel]

My forte is not busy servers, therefore I do not worry about that. I prefer games of say, 4v4, 5v5 or so.

[Urcscumug]

Aliens can even prepare to lose their base by building 2-3 eggs out of base.

Shouldn't that be "must prepare"? I always try to stash away at least one egg, preferrably two, away from each other. It has saved the hide of the alien team and allowed for a comeback in a few cases.

Of course, it may not be always time to do that. If you have a weak team and your base is under constant attack right from the get go, you may be very busy rebuilding to have time for such finesse.

[sleekslacker]

Unlimited BP is retarded..

Map-localized BP amount configuration for teh wins.



Domination mod probably would gain more followers if the conquer points were 'hackable terminals'. Seems like a stupid cosmetic change, but the huge domination marker gets in the way when you are trying to aim - and trying to think that this is a Tremulous mod.

[Ryanw4390]

I played on a UBP server for the first time in about two years today after having played almost exclusively on "regular" trem servers. I gave it an entire map rotation to get a complete UBP experience to make sure I wasn't missing anything. I went in with a few questions and got them answered

Is there strategy involved?
Like others have said there are times when communication and coordination between teammates is vital. On the server I was playing on, Unlimited BP, sudden death is in 15 minutes. The handful of builders need to establish early on where they are going to build otherwise your going to have a lot of crossover with your building projects and will start deconning each others buildings. There was also strategy not unique to a UBP server, such as base moves and group attacks. There wasn't a ton of strategy involved here, but to be fair I have to put it at least on par with any of the public servers I've been playing on.

How big of a problem is camping?
I didn't find camping to be too big of a problem. Whenever I was on the offensive I always found enemies to attack, whether I was on the alien or human team. I'm not sure if this was unique to my experience because I was apparently playing with many UBP server regulars, but during most of the game I didn't see camping as a problem. During Sudden Death, the team on the losing end obviously would start camping, but their bases weren't impossible to kill, and only on a few occasions did I partake in Extreme Sudden Death. It was during this time that camping happened the most, but that's expected since once your dead during ESD your dead for good. Again, comparing this to the public servers I've been playing on, camping wasn't really that noticeable, wasn't any worse then what I've seen from AA or Dretch Storm.

Is it fun?
Personally, I didn't find it enjoyable enough to rush back to, but now at least I understand why some people play it. I just think a lot of people from UBP servers would find they would enjoy games on regular servers and visa versa.