the biggest problem is spammers/deconners

[graig]

people just connect, and start deconstructing things.

i have seen people change their name to avoid being kicked.

i have seen people spam so much that text covers the screen.

i have seen deconners/ greifers, hog the kick system, so that they can't be kicked. by starting friviouls votes. or blaming other players for deconstructing the base.

the worst thing is that when you disconnect someone like this, they just reconnect.
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here's some ideas on how to fix this.  spamming is easy, it should just autokick them if they start spamming text.

Anyone who changes their name during a vote about them, should be banned instantly.

When someone gets sucessfully kicked they should be banned from that server.  Bans should last a week, the server should automatically reset the ban after a week, just incase it was accidental.

Also, to keep people from leaving before a vote is done,  the server should remember their info whenever the vote is started, so that it can propely ban them, even if they disconnect before the vote is complete.  this will prevent people from leaving just so they can't get kicked.  cause if they are allowed to do that, they will just leave before the kick is sucessful, and then come right back to annoy people.

There should be a system that remembers their ip address, or a specific user key in the game. mabey there can be a special key that you have to register to get.

Bans should be per server, that way some rude server admin couldn't ban you, and then you wouldn't be able to play ANY server, that would be maddening.

Also you should not be able to hog the voting system,  after you call a vote - you should not be able to issue another one immediately after one is done.  there should be a wait of 30 seconds after the vote you called for is over before you can issue another one.  This prevents a person from preventing themselves from being kicked by hogging the voting system.

Also it should not allow someone to be named the same things, that way it will be obvious who is causing problems.  if someone tries to change their name to the name that someone else uses, it should either append a number to the front of the name. or it should just simply kick them.

[Survivor]

These are options that should be included for server admins to decide on. Not hardcoded responses. Besides some servers already prevent people from changing names during a callvote.

[LynxLynx]

When something is deconstructed, the text could be red/purple, so people would notice this, and it would be easier to scroll text and find who deconned reactor/om, if somebody is creating problems.

[DarkWolf]

A week ban after a kick?
I find that abit too much, especially if someone was kicked accidently.
Personally i think an hour would do fine, and if keeps deconning, you would just manually ban him for some time.

Anyhow that's just my 2 cents  :wink:   .

[Chaos Weevil]

Banned for a week after kick?

No thanks.  While this would help the griefer problem, I've been kicked from Beer Garden (My favorite server) because some spammer changed his name to match mine and started a vote to kick me, but people thought it was him.

I would not like to be banned from my favorite server for a week just because of some idiot imitator.

[Commoner]

How about kick any player who changes their name while connected to the server and ban for 1 hour. I've simply never been able to understand why people allow players to change names while connected to a server. There is no real legitimate purpose for it other than pure vanity. Pretty much the only legitimate use I've really seen for name changing is people naming themselves "I-Killed-Player1" or "Player1-Sucks", which is legitimate but simply annoying and rude.

If somebody connects with the name of an existing player he should just be renamed automatically either to a secondary name or to something like Guest01.

[Commoner]

By the way, I don't think deconstructing sholud be allowed at all. Its really too open to abuse and its effect on gameplay is questionable in the first place specially since most of the front line players don't even know whats happening in the base.

What's wrong with the fact that I've commited to building that turret there, so I should live with it. Yes it is possible for someone to build something in a poor location but thats not nearly as bad as someone deconstructing all the spawn points while the other players aren't looking.

A good middle ground might be to make it cost money to deconstruct something and only allow a player to deconstruct a structure every five minutes or so.

[Paradox]

Most servers have admins that ban by slots, so the namechange doesnt work.

[kozak6]

Certain starting bases are terrible.

You need to be able to move.

[Commoner]

I think we're talking mostly about vote kicking. Admins can't watch their servers 24/7 after all.

If the map base placement is terrible this tends to be an issue with a badly made map more than anything else. Besides wouldn't it be a huge disadvantage to begin with if one team needs to move their base while the other doesn't? If bad start locations is an issue then fixing the map would be a better solution than allowing players to deconstruct their buildings to fix it.

[PierreF]

Yes, a bad starting base is a map issue... but in lot of map, you could build a better base. On some map when human move to special spot, their base is nearly undestructible, it's not a good idea if their start her, so if they want to build a base here, they need to move, in this case moving is a strategie. (of course the same thing apply for alien, but I'm a bad alien builder, so I don't know so good spot for alien base)

About vote kicking, baning for 1 week on each kick is not a good idea. Maybe create a new vote ban ? that need 1 sucefull vote kick before (that mean that server must be able to track kicked player, by ip or if added by GUID)

[PIE]

There should be a limit on the number of things you can say quickly.. like.. you can say 5 things quickly and then you have to wait 10 seconds...  

People shouldn't be able to change their name when they are in a server.. this should happen outside.. THERE SHOULD BE SETTINGS YOU CAN SET OUTSIDE OF A SERVER.. thats just something that is annoying to me about the game anyway... and if they can't start changing their name while they are playing then it will maybe cut down on impersonation and deal with the vote problem.

Admin kicks should be for a week, vote kicks should be like a day... they can play on another server for a day.. and they should be able to contact the admin if they think they were kicked off for some erroneous reason.
Something that might help with the decon problem also is maybe a "ban from construction" vote... instead of a kick... so they could only spawn as dretch/rifle and not a granger/construction... maybe when you kick someone they can just go to observer with a more strict limit on how much they can say in a row.. so if they think it was BS they can defend themselves..

I agree with the hogging the voting system.. only 2 votes in a certain period of time.. this will be good incase you accidentaly do the wrong vote and need to do another one.. but will stop it from being annoying if someone wants to hog the system, or just really doesn't like the map and keeps asking to change it to something else and hogging it that way.

There should be a registration system i agree... Like you go somewhere.. enter an e-mail /password and in-game name.... and it will let you have it only if someone else hasn't registered it yet and logs your different IPs whenever you connect incase you get banned..... ofcourse when this first starts you'd have to make sure everyone got their real name, and someone didn't steal it..... this would help with bans maybe.. they'd have to set up a new account for each name.. and that could be more trouble than its worth.

[rasz_pl]

I agree with namechnaging - its not needed/annoying (those gay scroll spams with namechanges ..) , should be turned off server side.

[KorJax]

TJW introduced a new trembot version.

It includes the ability to disable namechangeing while votekicking, and making it so you cant change your name more than 5 times on a server i think.

Also better options to kick people by IP, and protects everyones names, so name copieing cant be done i belive.

[^Black]

Personally, I like the idea of a no construction vote. Also, I do think changing names in-game is pointless, and when you are vote kicked, you should be time banned for 15 minutes.

[[UG]Plague]

I think that some of your suggestions are too harsh, especially since mistakes happen (and often) on Tremulous.  If a person is kicked more than say, 2 or 3 times, then they should get a temporary ban.  Although often the wrong person is kicked, especially with /serverstatus and then /clientkick.  However if a person is kicked a certain number of times within a time range (if the servers have the ability to log client logging) then they should get a temporary ban, as then that is fair to people who are kicked by mistake aren't affected, and the computer knows that the person who has been kicked needs time off.

[PIE]

Mistakes do happen.. but when you kick someone you don't want them coming right back in the server... it shouldn't take 2 or 3 times to get them to go away.

[kozak6]

I have been mistakenly votekicked.  The guy even admitted he hit the wrong client number, and I got votekicked anyways.

I think that in addition to kicking, you should also be able to vote for a temp ban.  In order to prevent abuse, it would require a certain percentage of the players to vote, and it would require a larger majority to actually vote for the temp ban as well.