What is the world coming to?

[|Jack|]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/1012491/schoolboy-13-stabbed-in-chest-in-brisbane
article is small but oh well. I was in my classes today and someone told me that a kid at another school died. I am posting this to see your comments, not to attract hate or stupidity.

 any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee."
I must ask for this topic to be closed if hate and ect flares up.

[MitSugna]

Another one bites the dust! Really it is sad but I wonder how many kids die a day in this cruel world ... made me bitter

[Demolution]

The world isn't coming to anything special... Things like these have been happening ever since people have been around. You're just noticing it more as you get older and start getting a better picture of people and their many nuances.

I always laugh a little when people say things like 'Things like these never used to happen 20 years ago!' Well, they did, you just didn't know about them.

[|Jack|]

If u hav msn or something put a flower emoticons in ur name

[Demolution]

If u hav msn or something put a flower emoticons in ur name

[|Jack|]

If u hav msn or something put a flower emoticons in ur name

merely for respect for the kid (Elliot Fletcher) who died.

[your face]

Unless you knew him personally, I don't see the point of this thread.

The article has no humorous content either!!!11

[|Jack|]

Unless you knew him personally, I don't see the point of this thread.

The article has no humorous content either!!!11

and you have no compassion. And no, an article about a murder is not going
to be humorous.

[Demolution]

It's in the off-topic section Faes.... :|

[kozak6]

It's rather unfortunate, but dumbass kids have been getting stabbed for countless milennia now.

Why do I have half a dozen tabs open?

I'm sure I will think differently at a later date.

The self inflicted neck wounds are at least LOL worthy. Perhaps he had a copy of Daikatana.

At any rate, the room is spinning much faster than I would prefer  .

[your face]

It's in the off-topic section Faes.... :|

WHAT WHY IS NOT TUGBLESHOTING YET BORD

[|Jack|]

It's rather unfortunate, but dumbass kids have been getting stabbed for countless milennia now.

Why do I have half a dozen tabs open?

I'm sure I will think differently at a later date.

The self inflicted neck wounds are at least LOL worthy. Perhaps he had a copy of Daikatana.

At any rate, the room is spinning much faster than I would prefer  .

what makes you think the kid is dumbass? He got stabbed. Lol worthy... He got stabbed. It takes people like you to think of such things. Please guys. A kid has died for no reason. No need to try and laugh at it.

[frazzler]

an article about a murder is not going to be humorous.

Then don't post it in off-topic. The whole point of off-topic is humor. People make granger cakes and we lol at random shit. If you seek compassion, put it in general. Those fags love a good sop-story.

[Demolution]

It's rather unfortunate, but dumbass kids have been getting stabbed for countless milennia now.

Why do I have half a dozen tabs open?

I'm sure I will think differently at a later date.

The self inflicted neck wounds are at least LOL worthy. Perhaps he had a copy of Daikatana.

At any rate, the room is spinning much faster than I would prefer  .

Drunk.

what makes you think the kid is dumbass? He got stabbed. Lol worthy... He got stabbed. It takes people like you to think of such things. Please guys. A kid has died for no reason. No need to try and laugh at it.

Not sure how I can feel sad about losing someone I have never met. It's a sad event, sure, but I just can't bring myself to worry over it too much... Besides, what kinds of reactions did you expect to find in a gaming forum? 

Then don't post it in off-topic. The whole point of off-topic is humor. People make granger cakes and we lol at random shit. If you seek compassion, put it in general. Those fags love a good sop-story.

4chan is ----> way

[|Jack|]

an article about a murder is not going to be humorous.

Then don't post it in off-topic. The whole point of off-topic is humor. People make granger cakes and we lol at random shit. If you seek compassion, put it in general. Those fags love a good sop-story.

request move to general.

[mooseberry]

an article about a murder is not going to be humorous.

Then don't post it in off-topic. The whole point of off-topic is humor. People make granger cakes and we lol at random shit. If you seek compassion, put it in general. Those fags love a good sop-story.

request move to general.

No, the off-topic section is the proper place, as this killing, sad as it is, has nothing to do with tremulous. Word of advice, don't listen to Frazzler, and you'll hopefully grow up a lot faster than him.

[frazzler]

No, the off-topic section is the proper place, as this killing, sad as it is, has nothing to do with tremulous. Word of advice, don't listen to Frazzler, and you'll hopefully grow up a lot faster than him.

Yes, well... I suppose thats true.
Regardless, the chances of off-topic showing compassion to a dead child is small.
Anyway, I actually live about an hour and a half drive from Brisbane (scene of stabbing), at the sunshine coast. I was kind of surprised. But the real kicker was that one of the kids had "self-inflicted wounds". He scratched himself with a knife. My first thought was: put the fucker in jail, he was the stabberer. WHO THE HELL GETS SELF INFLICTED STAB WOUNDS!?!??!

[FisherP]

I know very little about the incident, but you know I don't remember my Dad telling me stories about things like this. I understand that many of these sorts of incidents are due in a large part to bullying (not saying that this was the case this time). On this topic I remember my Dad telling me that bullies were sent to the principles office for a right caning. I'm not a real fan of violence, but some people only learn by the physical. My Dad tells me that discipline was sharp and swift, not the molly coddling that happens today.

Some times kids go to extreme measures to stop the bullies that the teachers and parents don't. The teachers and parents seem powerless to stop the feral bully who preys on the kids who are different, the timid or shy, or the ones that are too nice to tell you to "go get fucked", or too weak to smack them down. It makes me sick to think that all this political correctness and "oh but the feral has feelings too" sentiments that can drive nice kids to such extreme measures and have their lives scarred for life.

And before any of you respond with stupid comments, I have one of those nice kids who gets bullied, and I'm putting my kid into karate lessons as soon as I can so that even though he's small, he will know that he can whoop their arse any time. I'm going to do this because I don't want him to have to go to extreme measures to get the bullies to stop.

[janev]

[a] FisherP

"Things were better in the good old days when we used the cane"
Meh, I wouldn't say the problems stem from lax disciplinary measures today, but more from changes in society in general. I won't go into that...

"bullies"
I'll agree with you that a vital part of growing up is being able to stand up for yourself. And since you can't really affect the bullying phenomenon a reasonable course of action would be to strengthen yourself both mentally and physically. The former bit should not be underestimated. I know of a guy who made his way out of a bad rutt through drama classes, it may sound silly but mental growth can pay more dividends than physical growth. There are those who are untouchable because they are too popular or because everyone knows they could beat the stuffings out of all comers,

"karate"
Aaaw come on... Be a little more creative, have a look around and see what there is on offer in your area. You will do your child a great disservice if you take the physical route half way. From my interaction with karate folks I got the distinct impression that it was not very practical. My opinion will probably not carry a lot of weight for you but consider a more practically oriented club. If your kid can take it I would recommend any combination of the following.

The best grappling arts are: Brazilian jujitsu and good old wrestling
- Grappling is great for one on one combat and builds strength like nothing else. It also gives you a nice body and is relatively safe.
If you want to build-up great standing game try thai boxing or boxing
- Sometimes it really isn't a good idea to hang around grappling or take a fight to the ground! This will depend mostly on what kind of area you live in... will a wrestling match end up being a "kick the guy on the ground in the head" fight? If that is the case, move. 

A good training program should be:
-Balanced! You need grappling as well as standing up training
-Practically oriented. That means lots of sparring and topnotch physical strength.
-Their techniques can't be overly complicated and they need to incorporate improvisation at all levels. This rules out taekwondo, judo, kungfu and a whole host of other martial arts forms geared more towards point-based competition or no competition. 

There are so many martial art forms out there that are totally useless until you are a black-belt and know all the philosophy. Even then many of their seasoned practitioners get their asses handed to them by newbies with some sparring experience. Try and find something where your child will enjoy him/herself and that plays to their strengths. Also bear in mind that any physical confrontation will have consequences for everyone involved. Hope this helps in some way.

ps. I only had to flash a smile and get that manic glint in the corner of my eye and kids left me alone.

[player1]

I must concur. Even the Kung Fu master, Bruce Lee, developed Jeet Kun Do to overcome the shortcomings of a temple- or competition-based martial art as it applies to handing their asses to people in a street fight. It's about inner strength, confidence, and knowing useful techniques for street fights.

As janev said: Brazilian-style Jiu-jutsu or something similar like Aikido (as long as it includes conflict avoidance, using the opponent's strengths against them and instant submission moves like armlocks), as well as wrestling and boxing, are really the way to go. I've seen a lot of karate guys get their first kick grabbed, and their asses subsequently kicked. Real fights usually end with the first punch or go to the ground, in my experience. I've personally backed down two different guys with a swift punch in the nose. And precluded dozens of fights by either: 1) acting (and being) confident; 2) walking away or not being there when shit went down; and 3) just shouting down someone by being louder and "bigger" in the sense of having the personality to dominate the other person's psyche, making them think fighting me wasn't going to be as easy or as satisfying as they'd hoped. I've also gotten my clock cleaned a couple of times, and it's really not as bad for you as some people think. It's a character-building experience, and one ass-whooping was all it took for me to wise up and start learning to defend myself and avoid idiots. Good luck. Cheers.

In short: boxing, wrestling, and jujutsu or aikido. Learn to punch, learn to take a punch, find your personal good punch, learn how far away opponents are in terms of the correct technique to apply, learn to get people to the ground and control them while they are, learn to end fights quickly by using the correct technique for the situation, and learn to look confident enough that people won't mess with you. It's also a good idea, once you've learned these techniques, to await the proper time to apply them. And never forget the inner game.

P.S. I was 5'10' and weighed 125 lbs. in high school (at the time I ended two different fights with a swift punch in the nose). Average height, skinny like a skeleton. Sometimes you have to take your own freedom to live your own life without other people fucking with you seriously enough to do something about it, but not something totally out of proportion to the problem. Like all things, a fine balance.

[FisherP]

It's not the style of fighting that interests me, it's the self confidence, personal discipline and development. These three are the real end, the karate is the means. The fact that we got a years subscription cheap is a good attractant.

[janev]

... and it will probably end with him calling someone out, because of that new found confidence, and coming home bruised. I've seen it happen... Someone takes a few karate classes and thinks they are now the tough-guy. As long as you realise that.

Answer this question: If you are going to spend time and money for "self confidence, personal discipline and development", why not get the actual ability to defend yourself, for the same time invested?

The fact of the matter is for:

Newbies: Strength,  the right mindset, ability to improvise > technique
= This means an aggressive fat bully still wins over someone who spends 6 hours a week in a dojo doing some idiotic repetitive motions in front of a mirror.

player1 is quite right that you can end some fights with confidence and a quick punch to the face. This is often the case in school-yard scrapping. It definitely won't apply to all fights though. You'd be surprised how good at fighting some kids are, the degenerate little bastards have practised just that, not to mention if you get caught in the wrong area as an adult. Meh, to each his own. You'll make your own choice.

On a side note: If you just want the kids out of the house for some alone time with the hubby, that's fine too. That's why most kids get sent to martial arts.

[IabzO.o]

I remember that time I was in highschool, there was a guy, he was 5'10 and weighed 125 lbs. He ended the fight with a swift punch to my nose. I guess sometimes you have to take your own freedom to live your own life without other people fucking with you seriously enough to do something about it, but not something totally out of proportion to the problem. Like all things, a fine balance.

[mooseberry]

It's not the style of fighting that interests me, it's the self confidence, personal discipline and development. These three are the real end, the karate is the means. The fact that we got a years subscription cheap is a good attractant.

Why not teach your kid a useful way to fight while your at it though.

[Silver]

HAI GUIZ I NO TWAKEANDOODO AND I R PRO K.

[KillerWhale]

Far too few dojos give any real fighting experience.

There's sparring, but in sparring, there are resets.
My old dojo had something called "Street Fight Fridays".
Essentially, padded gloves on, fight however the hell you want to.

It really taught me a lot about fighting, and far few many martial artists go without any experience like that.

I recommend that anyone at least get your blue belt in a martial art *cough*Kenpo*cough*, so you can at least block adeptly.
Being able to block that fight-ending blow to the nose changes everything about a fight.

[Silver]

Call me old fashioned but I'm a big fan of Wing Chun.

I also have some interest in Mau Thai though.