Opinion of updates

[Confess]

Here are a few ideas that I think should be implimented in the next version of Tremulous:

Banning should be based upon Machid and Volumeid, this is better then banning by GUID because MachID and VolumeID are harder to change then GUID, but the combination of all 4 (the other being IP) would be sweet. This would require the next version of tremulous requiring MachID and VolumeID, along with a detection for false MachIDs and VolumeIDs.

Seperate the server and the client. One for pure dedicated hosting, and the other for using the server. The server needs to be touched up, and should be able to better support higher populations. The CPU eatage needs to be lowered if any way possible.

At S2 for aliens, one of them needs to be able to fly to attack those that are flying on humanside, to level it out.

A server of some sort should be created to let multiple servers connect to it, to save aliases/scores, and should contain the ban features. It will also enable for server to server chat between people. This should also store the Clans and clan members. This will also enable for universal network wide bans for those that deserve it.

If I can think of some more ill post them.

[Confess]

- The Ability to add banners and addvertizements on the walls of maps. (can especially be used to help pay for server cost)
- Increase chat characters (including /rcon cp commands)
- The ability to create chat rooms, especially ones specificly for staff members.
- BattleSuites should be able to squash dretches, and Tyrants should be able to squash 1st level humans. (command, maybe?)

[Henners]

Battlesuits should not be able to squash dretches - dretches would bite their feet off. Seriously though, this would be overpowered.

And tyrants can already charge unarmoued humans for lots of damage.

As for chat rooms, its called IRC - all of the "experienced" community are already in various rooms in quakenet. Main chan is obviously #tremulous

Advertisements could already be added by a mad editer, however I doubt you would get many people seriously wanting to sponsor a single tremulous server.

Aliens will NEVER fly, it has been stated multiple times. And it is not a required ability to "level it out"

A central server is not required, this game doesnt have thousands of servers, or any capital to pay for such a thing. Last time it was checked the donation button had raised something like 40 quid....

Banning idea is ok, needs serious consideration along with the hundreds of other banning suggestions there have been here

Increasing chat charaters just isnt needed, if you cant say what you need to with what you have so far there's little hope for you

[Stakhanov]

- The Ability to add banners and addvertizements on the walls of maps. (can especially be used to help pay for server cost)

Blasphemy !

Remember we are talking about a free open source game here... it will remain free from any greedy commercial grip !

[Lava Croft]

Rember we are talking about a free open source game here... it will remain free from any greedy commercial grip !

So, who is paying for the bandwidth then? Timbo? Who? You?

[Rippy]

Nothing is free. If you get it for free, then someone else is paying for it, that's just how it works.

Also, is the bandwidth really that bad though? I mean, he has to host the site, and the 100meg download, but the servers are run by other people. Plus it'd be easy to mirror the game file to several free file upload sites.


Ok, back to the topic at hand:

Flying aliens: I think a much simpler solution is just to move the advanced dragoon to stage 2, to snipe the jetpackers. But I think a fluttering alien (not FLYING) would be cool. One that has a dragoon-style leap, but once in the air it uses wings to propel itself farther, like a grasshopper. So it wouldn't FLY, it would just maintain its jump for longer.

- Ads IN-GAME? Noooo way. I'll put up with ads on the map loading screen, ads on the score list, but putting ads directly into the game ruins everything.
- I just think the size of the chat "box" should be an option. When there are lots of people talking, everyone's message gets bumped off the screen in as little as 1 second or so. The text should be made much smaller, and we should be able to decide how far down the screen chats can go.
- As mentioned, IRC
- Would be realistic for Bsuits, but unnecessary. Tyrants already DO squash humans, just charge them.

[Teiman]

- BattleSuites should be able to squash dretches, and Tyrants should be able to squash 1st level humans. (command, maybe?)

Interesting idea.. for a mod.

[Rekov]

- The Ability to add banners and addvertizements on the walls of maps. (can especially be used to help pay for server cost)
- Increase chat characters (including /rcon cp commands)
- The ability to create chat rooms, especially ones specificly for staff members.
- BattleSuites should be able to squash dretches, and Tyrants should be able to squash 1st level humans. (command, maybe?)

I think this would be hillarious. I would love to see this done, as long as they are in places you would expect one to be, like transit.

[Confess]

Addvertizements would be a good idea to help pay for server cost...I dont see why you guys wouldnt like it, its all free to you anyways. Look at uncreation, in that lil dirt filled corner area (i think its uncreation...), there are banners that addvertize different maps. If we where to do something productive with that, in order to pay for server cost, that would be excelent.

Addvertizements dont have to be from out of the game. It can be from within. IE, clans, other servers, other maps, etc. Infact, if I placed addvertizements, I would go around and ask clans/etc if they want an addvertizement, first.
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As far as the bandwidth goes for a central database, if no one else can supply for it, then I can. If the biller is made correctly, infact, it takes next to nothing in resources, infact I host my central database for a game I play on cable because it requires so little.

[PIE]

Addvertizements dont have to be from out of the game. It can be from within. IE, clans, other servers, other maps, etc. Infact, if I placed addvertizements, I would go around and ask clans/etc if they want an addvertizement, first.
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At first when I heard ads.. .. uch... this is the way OLD open source always went. First you get someone with kindness and ambition and then you realize that the money is going out and not in, and it starts to get painful..
I like the idea though of tremulous related ads.. SMALL.. and related to the game.. and not prolific.
BTW.. has anyone noticed that Donate button on the main page?
There should be a page where you can donate to servers you frequent as well.. to help pay for some bandwidth, and to encourage the admins and other players who love the server to get people in there to play!

As far as the bandwidth goes for a central database, if no one else can supply for it, then I can. If the biller is made correctly, infact, it takes next to nothing in resources, infact I host my central database for a game I play on cable because it requires so little.

The central database idea is a good one.. Player stats/login(so someone doesn't choose my very easy to think of name as well) would be neat.
Its nice there are people who want to help out with these things, and support the community.
I wish I wasn't so backlogged with stuff.. i'd like to polish up my C and assembly before it gets rusty... :/

[Confess]

Just one quick question: Does anyone know if the server protocal utilizes Duel Core and/or HT?

[Henners]

Addvertizements would be a good idea to help pay for server cost...I dont see why you guys wouldnt like it, its all free to you anyways. Look at uncreation, in that lil dirt filled corner area (i think its uncreation...), there are banners that addvertize different maps. If we where to do something productive with that, in order to pay for server cost, that would be excelent.

Addvertizements dont have to be from out of the game. It can be from within. IE, clans, other servers, other maps, etc. Infact, if I placed addvertizements, I would go around and ask clans/etc if they want an addvertizement, first.
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As far as the bandwidth goes for a central database, if no one else can supply for it, then I can. If the biller is made correctly, infact, it takes next to nothing in resources, infact I host my central database for a game I play on cable because it requires so little.

Did you miss my main point. Its not about whether advertising could be placed, its simply that no one will want to pay any sort of substantial amount to actually advertise in this game. Tremulous simply isnt big enough. Perhaps one day if trem really takes off and there are thousands of servers running advertisements might become a possibility, but not at the moment. Its just silly - no one is going to pay any money to do so.

[Confess]

In your opinion, but opinions arent always right. I know for a fact that I could get addvertizements from out of the game.

[PIE]

Addvertizements would be a good idea to help pay for server cost...I dont see why you guys wouldnt like it, its all free to you anyways. Look at uncreation, in that lil dirt filled corner area (i think its uncreation...), there are banners that addvertize different maps. If we where to do something productive with that, in order to pay for server cost, that would be excelent.

Addvertizements dont have to be from out of the game. It can be from within. IE, clans, other servers, other maps, etc. Infact, if I placed addvertizements, I would go around and ask clans/etc if they want an addvertizement, first.
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As far as the bandwidth goes for a central database, if no one else can supply for it, then I can. If the biller is made correctly, infact, it takes next to nothing in resources, infact I host my central database for a game I play on cable because it requires so little.

Did you miss my main point. Its not about whether advertising could be placed, its simply that no one will want to pay any sort of substantial amount to actually advertise in this game. Tremulous simply isnt big enough. Perhaps one day if trem really takes off and there are thousands of servers running advertisements might become a possibility, but not at the moment. Its just silly - no one is going to pay any money to do so.

I've seen how advertising goes.. and I agree with you a bit.. its not going to unload cost, your not going to click a link or something while your running around a map... .. i dunno
Something that does worry me.. is when people hear there will be ads in game.... will they even bother to start playing.. people have an ad-phobia because of all the constant and devious advertisement that goes on everywhere... they might not even want to check it out.
I still like my donate button idea...

@confess
Server Protocol?... There are servers that are Dual and not.. there are servers that have HT and there are ones that don't.... i don't though see how this might be related to something you need to worry about really though...

[Confess]

The server protocal, aka, the Tremulous software used to host a gaming server. And yes, it is something that is necessary to know...

[Teiman]

I dont care about ads. Can help tremulous in any economic way?.. GO GO!!

[Henners]

But like I said, if you want to include ads you can simply map edit them in? Theres no restriction on that, and its a far simpler solution than whatever it is you're proposing?

[Confess]

Map editing would mean that they would have to redownload the map, no? And at the speeds of the download, that is not a good idea. When people see the download, instead of them going to a website to download it, they simply change servers, thus killing the point of putting up anything. This is why SST does not host beta maps. Because people will simply leave if they do not have them.