Aren't I inquisitive?

[Conzul]

Why is cg_thirdPerson cheat protected? This means I can't see my alien from 3rd person while playing on an official server.

[Odin]

This means I can't see my alien from 3rd person while playing on an official server.

Yes, it does.

[David]

Because it lets you look around corners and cheat.
AFAIK it's been cheat protected since the original quake release.

[Conzul]

Okay, explain to me how then anyone can do cg_drawGun 0 and get an enhanced field of vision for tracking alien targets? Huh? I suppose that isn't cheating? That should not be allowed on Official servers.

[David]

It's not cheating because it doesn't tell you anything you didn't already know.

And this particular discussion was decided more than 10 years ago, seems kinda pointless to reopen it.

[Conzul]

It's not cheating because it doesn't tell you anything you didn't already know.

I disagree. It does tell you what you don't know because you can see more movement on your screen. You can see things that you would otherwise miss because the weapon was in the way. This will go for choppers too when they get introduced or w/e.

And this particular discussion was decided more than 10 years ago, seems kinda pointless to reopen it.

Where? I did look around before posting this.


cg_drawGun 1 draws the gun to your screen, thereby cluttering it a little. Many "pros" disable this to bring more clarity to the fov.
Clarity leads to focus
focus leads to advantage
a larger advantage than an alien peeking around a corner for a few seconds I mean what the fuck will they accomplish by peeking around a corner for a few seconds? Little > Nothing. They have ingrained sensors so they can "see" around corners anyway. As a human, pffft, at s2 they get helms anyway and unless they are a killwhore with an md popping around a corner for a sec to fire will be inaccurate. This is silly, there aren't enough cons to make it Cheat Protected. With good camera scripts, a 3rd person view can be an entertaining and revealing experience ("wow, now I see how that prifle projectile killed me even though it missed by four feet!")

[NotYarou]

nobody cares

Run your own server if you don't like it

[HamStar]

This is silly, there aren't enough cons to make it Cheat Protected.

The distance you can get from looking around corners is a much bigger advantage than turning off 2D guns, and if you don't wish for people to customize their Tremulous experience, you might as well tell the devs to lock down all graphics options (from gamma to 2D objects) so everyone has an "even" playing field.

[Conzul]

nobody cares

Run your own server if you don't like it

Use that bind anymore and you'll wear out your keyboard....

[Conzul]

This is silly, there aren't enough cons to make it Cheat Protected.

The distance you can get from looking around corners is a much bigger advantage than turning off 2D guns, and if you don't wish for people to customize their Tremulous experience, you might as well tell the devs to lock down all graphics options (from gamma to 2D objects) so everyone has an "even" playing field.

80/20 I suppose.....
Still, it should be publicly shown whether or not a player has guns turned off, so that when they kill me I may send a self-righteous and obscene stream of derision in there direction, and feel good about myself.
Stupid Humans.

[David]

If an alien is blocked by your gun then it's so close you're already dead.  And it would have to pass through the bits you can see to get there.

Radar isn't enough to line up a shot, 3rd person is.  As a goon being able to see when's a good time to attack can be the difference between barbing the armoury and dying in a hail of hot plasma.

[Conzul]

If an alien is blocked by your gun then it's so close you're already dead.

Not small dretches, far off and down to the right.

[Kiwi]

This is silly, there aren't enough cons to make it Cheat Protected.

And what are the pros?  Allowing 3rd person view gives players a huge advantage by allowing them to see around corners.  In my opinion, having it on doesn't improve gameplay at all.  So whats the point?

[_Equilibrium_]

If someone wants to turn off seeing their gun. So be it. It's kind of laughable they want to take the game so seriously. I play a game to have fun, and seeing everything the game has to offer is part of that. However, looking around corners without endangering yourself is a much bigger advantage than not seeing a bit of space at the bottom of your screen. And as you can see by the responses in this thread, you are pretty much alone on your train of thought.

[Asvarox]

I'm playing Tremulous since '07, in those 3 years I never set cg_drawgun to 0 (well, only for screenshot stuff) and I can't really recall any situation when someone sneaked up "behind" my gun.

In clearer words - hiding the gun might give an advantage in theory, but in practice it doesn't do crap

[ACKMAN]

I'm playing Tremulous since '07, in those 3 years I never set cg_drawgun to 0 (well, only for screenshot stuff) and I can't really recall any situation when someone sneaked up "behind" my gun.

In clearer words - hiding the gun might give an advantage in theory, but in practice it doesn't do crap

It raises fps count :>

[Meisseli]

HUD is also cheating, ban all HUDs.

[WiKi]

Okay, explain to me how then anyone can do cg_drawGun 0 and get an enhanced field of vision for tracking alien targets? Huh? I suppose that isn't cheating? That should not be allowed on Official servers.

I never knew there was such a thing as cg_drawgun 0 lol.

[Plague Bringer]

+1 to Asvarox. I've never had an alien () be visually blocked by my gun. If it's in front of me I'll see it before it gets there, and I'll track it and keep it in the middle of my screen so it WON'T get there (under my gun, that is). If it's behind me or beside me in such ridiculous proximity, I'm...
A) two-shotted and dead anyway...
or
B) playing a blind kid and getting a free kill...
but either way it's not hidden by my gun.
Anyone want to get into a server and demonstrate how ridiculous and impractical it would be to get into a position where you'd be hidden by a gun? I think that the player would know you're there, anyway, and that's all the information (s)he would need (as seeing the dretch in the split second it's below your gun wouldn't help you to determine it's target, direction, or hostility, anyway.) I really feel like trollin' 'cause this suggestion is so obscene...
But imma let you finish.

[Conzul]

Obviously not alien will be completely hidden by any current tremulous gun, especially up close. There is a mathematical probability that a more distant target (perceived as being smaller) will escape detection if your gun was in the way, and it was exposed for a brief enough time. In addition to the gun, afaik the firing effect does not show either (muzzle flash or w/e it's called) if drawGun is off. This is an added advantage when shooting a distant target, because obviously there is less flashing in your face you you can focus on that dretch at 90 yards better.
   I've lost my steam for this thread anyway, the Layouts one is far more pertinent. Besides, I've already fixed the problem with a "say all" bind.

[CorSair]

Hmmm... I'm not sure but...
I sometimes don't see alien for half second or less when using 1st person and coming quickly behind corner. Don't remember what server. But... is there any Fog Of War system in Tremulous? I'm interested. Just popped in mind, really.

[Plague Bringer]

Hmmm... I'm not sure but...
I sometimes don't see alien for half second or less when using 1st person and coming quickly behind corner. Don't remember what server. But... is there any Fog Of War system in Tremulous? I'm interested. Just popped in mind, really.

Don't quote me word for word, now, but I do believe it has something to do with vis. That refers to things outside of your vision (models and sections of the map) actually not being drawn (to increase performance). When you turn that corner, you're entering a new vis portal and it may (depending on your hardware/connection) take a moment (fractions of a second, really) to draw everything that's there.

(Again, don't quote my technical vocabulary. It may have nothing to do with vis, but I'm quite sure what I described is what happens.)

[David]

The server doesn't send things out of vis, so any notable delay will be caused by latency.  Everything gets redrawn every frame so any graphics delay would effect the walls etc as well as players.

[gimhael]

Exactly. That's also the reason why you don't see some players on your radar even if they are only a few meters away or just behind a closed door.

[ACKMAN]

Hmmm... I'm not sure but...
I sometimes don't see alien for half second or less when using 1st person and coming quickly behind corner. Don't remember what server. But... is there any Fog Of War system in Tremulous? I'm interested. Just popped in mind, really.

Don't quote me word for word, now, but I do believe it has something to do with vis. That refers to things outside of your vision (models and sections of the map) actually not being drawn (to increase performance). When you turn that corner, you're entering a new vis portal and it may (depending on your hardware) take a moment (fractions of a second, really) to draw everything that's there.

(Again, don't quote my technical vocabulary. It may have nothing to do with vis, but I'm quite sure what I described is what happens.)

Now I understand why my wallhack doesn't always work :/

TROLLTROLLTROLLTROLLTROLL

[Liskey]

And its why you can round a corner and see an open doorway where a door should be, and then it slams in your face.