Liberous Removal from Official Servers Please

[Kiwi]

Ok guys,
Liberous was a joke, funny yes, but a joke.  The map you made for the joke was also funny, but like all good things they must end.  Please remove the liberous map from the official servers please.  They are getting voted, and they aren't ''real'' maps.  They have some major balance problems and everyone always f1's it.

Thanks,
Kiwi

[mooseberry]

If people enjoy playing it, they'll vote for it. If people don't enjoy playing it, they'll vote against it and it won't be a problem. In either case I don't see a big problem. Maybe one side loses more, but if enough people are still having fun on that map to pass it that often than why take than fun away?

[freecd]

official servers are not for fun. they are for serious beta testing.

[Meisseli]

If people enjoy playing it, they'll vote for it. If people don't enjoy playing it, they'll vote against it and it won't be a problem. In either case I don't see a big problem. Maybe one side loses more, but if enough people are still having fun on that map to pass it that often than why take than fun away?

Yes, official servers (should be) are for gameplay testing, not funmap X.

[Cadynum]

If people enjoy playing it, they'll vote for it. If people don't enjoy playing it, they'll vote against it and it won't be a problem. In either case I don't see a big problem. Maybe one side loses more, but if enough people are still having fun on that map to pass it that often than why take than fun away?

Yes, official servers (should be) are for gameplay testing, not funmap X.

But but... I want rotcannon and unlimited BP!!!111

[Meisseli]

If people enjoy playing it, they'll vote for it. If people don't enjoy playing it, they'll vote against it and it won't be a problem. In either case I don't see a big problem. Maybe one side loses more, but if enough people are still having fun on that map to pass it that often than why take than fun away?

Yes, official servers (should be) are for gameplay testing, not funmap X.

But but... I want rotcannon and unlimited BP!!!111

Mmh... Since the majority of players (~150) happens to play UBP now, we would actually have 999BP and rotcannon running if we wouldn't take that fun away.

[Lakitu7]

As people brought up in the other thread, it doesn't seem particularly worse than the tons of other maps that are also voteable?

[A Spork]

all the other maps mentioned(well, maybe not hamanuptra) at least have some semblance of balance, librelous isn't even remotely balanced.

[mooseberry]

all the other maps mentioned(well, maybe not hamanuptra) at least have some semblance of balance, librelous isn't even remotely balanced.

Thanatos, Infested pump station, Sokolov's space, Mega Procyon all are actually LESS balanced, while Ancient Remains, The bunker, Hamunaptra, Veddak station, are more or less equal.

So... if people enjoy it, and you don't want to remove all the other maps... meh.

[Conzul]

official servers are not for fun.

[_Equilibrium_]

Having fun in a video game? BLASPHEMY!

[mooseberry]

1. The fun was half of my point, the other is that all those other maps are just as or more imbalanced.

2. This is Gameplay testing. Gameplay should be balanced. It should also be fun.

3. Meh

Here is a test to prove I am right. Open up tremulous. Type /devmap atcs. Join humans. Noclip to above the ceiling. Type /kill in console. Wait 20 seconds. If you die and you body is flung across the map to inside the overmind, prove it. Otherwise I was right.

[Lakitu7]

For the stats used in actually making balance decisions, there's a whitelist of maps. If we really wanted it to be ALL BALANCE ALL THE TIME it'd be only those maps but that would suck pretty badly so just play the game and don't worry about it. Yes, official servers are for fun too.

[Cadynum]

For the stats used in actually making balance decisions, there's a whitelist of maps. If we really wanted it to be ALL BALANCE ALL THE TIME it'd be only those maps but that would suck pretty badly so just play the game and don't worry about it. Yes, official servers are for fun too.

Yes, of course. But there has to be some level of control. If there are other maps that are broken or suck in balance that's not a justification for liberous to stay. The cleanup must start somewhere.

[ziplocpeople]

For the stats used in actually making balance decisions, there's a whitelist of maps. If we really wanted it to be ALL BALANCE ALL THE TIME it'd be only those maps but that would suck pretty badly so just play the game and don't worry about it. Yes, official servers are for fun too.

Yes, of course. But there has to be some level of control. If there are other maps that are broken or suck in balance that's not a justification for liberous to stay. The cleanup must start somewhere.

But why start at Librelous? There's plenty worse maps out there. For example-- Temple, and Sokolov's Space-- And I don't see anyone arguing to take spacetracks off of the rotation.