JOHN aka tjw

[Asvarox]

Gamelog (search for tjw): http://stats.tremulous.net/tremstats/us1/game_log.php?game_id=11592
Demo: http://www.mediafire.com/?5dbc6zedz1c5kbc (note it's autorecorded demo, so you might want to skip to most interesting moments (see log for them)

That just one game, but if I really wanted to, I could find others game with tjw's son shooting/eating everything and everyone, luci'ing base and such. This happened multiple times. And probably will keep happening, cause tjw is lvl5, which means barely anyone can kick him. The only solution is to keep tking him until he's out of evos/credits every time he does it. He's hardly a threat with rifle or granger. What I propose is to delevel him to something kickable like lvl 2 or 1 or make sure tjw and his son have separate GUIDs so they don't share an admin.

PS. Is he really 8? Quite decent player considering his age

[Crava_Loft]

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[Gregstein]

as I sad in another thread:
Lets boycott him!   
Something like walkout:
Avoid and shun him pedantically, do not talk to him
(ie: when connected to the server then Serva (cfg) gives the message:
Attention! detected a foreign body!
Keep a distance from a foreign body!

Do not say anything about him.
Forget that it exists.

Never, ever think about the conversating / supporting / upsetting / insulting him and his family.

sorry for saying it double.

[Silver]

Wow I actually agree with lava...

[Thorn]

that's f0rqu3 not lava.

[Crava_Loft]

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[KillerWhale]

Just let him play, he's a young kid. The most I've ever seen him disrupt is TKing a few basis and trappers.

I personally get a laugh out of it.

[Asvarox]

I have nothing against him playing, I'd like to be able to kick him when he excessively bleeds/tk's me, other teammates, base even when there's an enemy shooting at him/me, other teammates, base. Could ignore that at first but when it repeats in every game we are in the same team, after some time you just simply get fed up of him. Not to mention that any "normal" player would get kicked/banned right away.

[Conzul]

I don't mind him if he's a good player, so lets just TK the hell out of him till he gets the message. I'm tired of losing my weakened mara to him when I return to base to heal, JOHN pops out like a jack in the box SURPRISE and kills my mara with his mara. Get a leash TJW

[Demolution]

I say we let the kid play. He may TK, but he is growing up playing a fun game, and he is getting better at it. Besides, if he TKs a lot, just do the same.

[Lecavalier]

Why are people saying ''let him play''? I have never in my entire career seen somebody start to tk everyone and they just says ''oh that's fine he can tk all he wants'' that would be rediculous, he would certainly be kicked immedieatly. I just can't seem to understand why this repeat offender shouldn't be punished

[David]

There are a group of people who have a small amount of power, and being egotistical they use said small amount of power to solve all problems and deluding themselves that said power matters they let the aforementioned delusional power define them, seeing it as a sort of surrogate for their own inadequate manhood.
Now they have run into a problem they can't solve with this delusional power it causes them to have to face just how little power they really have, and how pathetic their use of it is.  In order to avoid this self-realisation and cock envy, they delude themselves into thinking that they really do have the power, and they aren't using it by choice.  This thread is just the resulting attempts at rationalising the irrational delusional decision to not use the power they don't have.

Or they just really really like him.  (That "like" had just the right amount of emphasis to suggest they suggestion of paedophilia without overtly suggesting it.  Text sucks for such contextual cues so you make also have missed how the first bit of this post was deadly serious and said in a physiologists voice)

[dragoon[dragoon]]

ban the kid when he tks for 5 min 

[Crava_Loft]

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[Conzul]

I think David is accusing some of you of believing in magic in a young boy's heart.

[Dracone]

The real tjw could probably get away with tking by now...

[scrape]

The problem with just letting him *play* aka get bored and kill any teammate, is this:
After he tks, and no one is able to stop him, It becomes impossible to reprimand any other tker\base tker
while he is playing. ("but john is tking too!"). Also while he is tking, others start
to tk him, after a while everyone starts to teamkill other people, it goes from a fun game, to a lord of the flies
tk fest. I know I don't play when he is on, and obviously tking, I wait till after he leaves, and just spec and
watch people leave the server with "...he tk'd me again this is bullshit" "..has disconnected".

It really easy to solve, make him a separate logon in whatever OS they use, its a great idea for any parent
that allow their children to use their computer, or have a family computer.

*tk = teamkill

[Conzul]

The problem with just letting him *play* aka get bored and kill any teammate, is this:
After he tks, and no one is able to stop him, It becomes impossible to reprimand any other tker\base tker
while he is playing. ("but john is tking too!"). Also while he is tking, others start
to tk him, after a while everyone starts to teamkill other people, it goes from a fun game, to a lord of the flies
tk fest. I know I don't play when he is on, and obviously tking, I wait till after he leaves, and just spec and
watch people leave the server with "...he tk'd me again this is bullshit" "..has disconnected".

It really easy to solve, make him a separate logon in whatever OS they use, its a great idea for any parent
that allow their children to use their computer, or have a family computer.

*tk = teamkill

Back in my Freelancer days, if a person was being a moron, we would all just park outside of the planet or station that they were based at, and kill them whenever they undocked. It's called "ganking", and the "gankee" gets the message pretty quickly. I think (though I doubt it'll happen) that it would make quite an impression on Johnny boy if both teams stopped fighting eachother and ganked the hell outa him.

[F50]

Personally I like that solution. Unfortunately it kinda violates the server rules.

I'm not entirely sure about this but I think it would be interesting if grepping the logs for tjw and admin commands returned any results at all. That said, I have only seen "tjw" go on a serious tk fest once, but it almost ended a game, and most certainly did annoy the heck of a few people, particularly the tked people, in addition to leaving the people who are used to helping with this sort of thing a bit helpless.

And I must admit I share Lecavalier's sentiment, what makes the actions of someone using a developer's computer unassailable, when the developer himself would not have that sort of protection?

[Conzul]

Personally I like that solution. Unfortunately it kinda violates the server rules.

And he's not by TKing and bleeding? We tried asking nicely. And we can't just kick or ban him due to his terminal's dev status.    Violence solves everything.       Gank him.

[mooseberry]

Let the kid play. That is fine. Just don't do anything to anyone else whoever TKs on the server.

[superspirality]

Is it so hard to give him a separate GUID? After that, okay, let the child play. >_>

[Conzul]

<.< brown-nosers.....

[F50]

Is it so hard to give him a separate GUID?

Well assuming tjw and john use the same user on the computer for convenience reasons, its not particularly straightforward. You would either have to make a script to switch between GUIDs, or have two scripts to run tremulous, which then run tremulous with different fs_homepath values, the default one named "tremulous" would have to belong to john, while the other would belong to tjw. Of course this doesn't prevent john from maliciously and consciously deciding to use tjw's GUID instead. And of course as long as that is possible

The real tjw could probably get away with tking by now...

[Thorn]

@F50 wrong. 2 different user accounts would invoke 2 entirely seperate qkeys.

[F50]

Right, but if they were using two different accounts then we wouldn't see this problem now would we?

Well assuming tjw and john use the same user on the computer for convenience reasons...

[Thorn]

ah oops, my eyes skipped past the 'same user' part. <.<

[ziplocpeople]

Guys let the kid go! He's 8, let him ruin the game for everyone else, I mean, seriously 8 year olds deserve to be able to do that!

On a slightly more serious note, I thought this issue'd been resolved. It'd really be nice if it were possible to stop him through means other than TKing back-- For example, giving me Lakitu7's cell phone number so I could call whenever it happens, or y'know to go on a date or something (can I have your cell # Lak? Pretty please?)

[Aelita]

Has anybody even brought this to tjw's attention yet? It isn't difficult to create another user for your kid on your computer.

[mooseberry]

Just ban the kid if he's a problem. I don't think Tony even plays often. And if he does... he can solve the user problem. Don't see why this should be a debate.