Tremulous League - Olympic timing off

[Heli]

Summer Olympics timing doesn't work well

I'm starting to think the Summer Olympics wasn't the best idea in terms of timing.  Taking a look at the score boards, a lot of clans have dropped out with only a few clans that scrim regularly making it to the matches.  A lot of clans don't scrim on a regular basis and have not developed the teamwork or consistency of showing up to really participate well.  This is not to say the Summer Olympics is a bad idea, but rather, it is an idea that has come a bit too soon and asks too much.  It's the equivalent of having the Olympics, without any qualifier or practice rounds.  Imagine having the Stanley Cup finals (hockey) but no regular season games.

In any case, I don't feel the Summer Olympics embodies the spirit of inclusion Tremulous is known for.

I propose in the future we do the following:
1) Establish a tremulous league to keep track of games
2) Establish a 'regular season' with =regular= scrim times.  It's hard enough finding time in the middle of the day (seriously, who schedules games for 4PM EST on a Sunday in the summer) - a regular time once a week would allow people to set aside time to play. 
3) Scrims should be one game during the regular season - or 2 at most.  Four games has the potential to last upto three hours.  This is okay for an 'Olympic' type event, but scrims should be consistent and try to be under an hour.
4) Once the 'regular' season is over, then qualifying teams make it to the 'Olympics' where it goes to the rules Kharnov has setup prior
5) [Optional - but I think would be cool] When a season is over, clans can trade players for a period of time to help balance the clans.  OR, we establish TEAMS outside of clans where players are traded.  It's cool having all the skill on certain clans, but for newer clans, it can be discouraging - causing them not to try or to just drop out.  Again, not supporting the spirit of tremulous.

I think the above would be waaaay better because it would allow clans or teams to compete in a friendly way supportive of the spirit of trem.  Perhaps after these Olympics are over, we can setup a Tremulous League and start having some really fun competition.  

[kharnov]

Perhaps after these Olympics are over, we can setup a Tremulous League and start having some really fun competition.  

Heli, I don't mean to be blunt, but that's exactly what we're doing after the tournament.

[Celestial_Rage]

The times are flexible. If you can't make the given time, you're supposed to reschedule it. Only a few matches actually happen at the default time, most occur before.

[Cadynum]

The problem with organized clanwars is that clans suck. They cant communicate, they cant show up on scheduled time, they cant tell or even hint they wont show up.
Yes, every single tremulous clan there is, i mean you too.

[your face]

The problem with people like you, Cadynum, is that you take everything too seriously.

I'M SORRY I WAS 20 MINUTES LATE. boohoo

[Vape]

The problem with clans now is that they don't flame each other that much... ddos you're bitches for not redoing that first map with NoS. It's on your shit euro server, they didn't know the first round was real, and they were a man down for all of the 2nd round.

Also the "ref" saying that there's no point in redoing that map because he doesn't believe NoS has a chance. Then later on bitching that no one takes this tournament seriously is lulz.

[A Spork]

The problem with clans now is that they don't flame each other that much... ddos you're bitches for not redoing that first map with NoS. It's on your shit euro server, they didn't know the first round was real, and they were a man down for all of the 2nd round.

Also the "ref" saying that there's no point in redoing that map because he doesn't believe NoS has a chance. Then later on bitching that no one takes this tournament seriously is lulz.

this.

[Cadynum]

If you would have showed up on time or told us in advance that you're late we would have replayed it. The game didn't start until after 40min past the scheduled time.
I, and the rest of the ddos team had planned and dedicated time for the games. Now we had to sit in irc and in game for 40min doing nothing, time the that could be spent doing other things.
Also your constant spamming the entire game how we suck didn't help.

EDIT: Also it was said that the game was started. If you like to teamkill each other instead of playing properly you cant exactly blame us for it.

[CreatureofHell]

If you would have showed up on time or told us in advance that you're late we would have replayed it. The game didn't start until after 40min past the scheduled time.
I, and the rest of the ddos team had planned and dedicated time for the games. Now we had to sit in irc and in game for 40min doing nothing, time the that could be spent doing other things.
Also your constant spamming the entire game how we suck didn't help.

Perhaps you shouldn't take trem seriously then. That's what games are for; getting away from serious business.

My edit to respond to your edit: Teamkilling is playing properly. It's a good tactic.

[Vape]

If you would have showed up on time or told us in advance that you're late we would have replayed it. The game didn't start until after 40min past the scheduled time.
I, and the rest of the ddos team had planned and dedicated time for the games. Now we had to sit in irc and in game for 40min doing nothing, time the that could be spent doing other things.
Also your constant spamming the entire game how we suck didn't help.

EDIT: Also it was said that the game was started. If you like to teamkill each other instead of playing properly you cant exactly blame us for it.

So because they were late you think it's okay to give yourself an unfair advantage during a match? And lol @ you playing the "we have things to do" card. Many of your members were on way before the scrim, and you scrimmed CaD afterwards.

[Qrntz]

srs biznes

[A Spork]

In any case, I don't feel the Summer Olympics embodies the spirit of inclusion Tremulous is known for.

Wait, what?

If you would have showed up on time or told us in advance that you're late we would have replayed it. The game didn't start until after 40min past the scheduled time.
I, and the rest of the ddos team had planned and dedicated time for the games. Now we had to sit in irc and in game for 40min doing nothing, time the that could be spent doing other things.

Dude, he was at church. how exactly is he supposed to come on BEFORE HE WAS HOME to say he was gonna be late?
That logic makes no sense.

EDIT: Also it was said that the game was started. If you like to teamkill each other instead of playing properly you cant exactly blame us for it.

Well for starters, there was no "Are you guys ready?"
and secondly, I missed the fact that it was legit until like halfway into the game, so i can easily see why they missed it, there was a lot of chatter.


Not to mention, you decided to rush after they lost a man to 999, even tho the rules say the game is to be paused for up to 2 minutes, you just rushed instead. Real classy bro.






Also, i have to agree with the OP sorta, the timing is kinda crappy, especially with those who do church and such.

[your face]

srs biznes
lol img

I rofloldddd

I should have said I was going to be late before, I had no idea what my time permitted.  It's very hard to plan a scrim ahead of time especially if everyone involved is in totally different time zones doing different things.  I'm used to scrims that are done on the spot, and this is new to me.  I am sorry as I mentioned before, next time we should try to do it Saturday.  I know it's not a real great excuse, but real life does come before my virtual one.

I don't think I ever said you guys suck, if I did I'm very sor--- YOU DESERVED IT HAHAHA. ha.

We are actually planning to hold NoS practices from now on so we can give you a real game in the future maybe.  That would be fun.

AND CHEER UP FOR THE LOVE OF GRANGERS.

[NotYarou]

@Heli: You guys had plenty of time to find a fourth or a sub. I saw you, Lecavalier, and Zephyr on US1 hours before the match time. 4 PM EST on Sunday is just the default time; all clans are welcome to reschedule almost a week in advance. I find it saddening that NoS, a clan of mostly inactive players, can make matches but DSPro (an active clan who is on daily) finds it hard to show up. There have been calls for your removal in the tournament since it's pretty much a forfeit win for any clan that faces you. If you guys can't get your shit together, then consider yourselves removed from the tournament.

In any case, I don't feel the Summer Olympics embodies the spirit of inclusion Tremulous is known for.

I lol'd. You clearly weren't around back in the day.

[Heli]

Heli, I don't mean to be blunt, but that's exactly what we're doing after the tournament.

That's awesome! - I must have missed the thread on that   I think that will work a lot better.

@Heli: You guys had plenty of time to find a fourth or a sub. I saw you, Lecavalier, and Zephyr on US1 hours before the match time. 4 PM EST on Sunday is just the default time; all clans are welcome to reschedule almost a week in advance. I find it saddening that NoS, a clan of mostly inactive players, can make matches but DSPro (an active clan who is on daily) finds it hard to show up. There have been calls for your removal in the tournament since it's pretty much a forfeit win for any clan that faces you. If you guys can't get your shit together, then consider yourselves removed from the tournament.

This thread really has nothing to do with the current tournaments but FYI I told other DSPros I couldn't make it.  I'm not sure who our four scrimming DSPro are right now - I think most of our players are from completely different timezones and one is participating under the GT banner.  I can't make 4PM EST (1PM PST) because I work at that time. 11 EST may work better for some people.  I agree with you it is saddening that we can't coordinate these times - how many clans have dropped out now or are not participating?  That is exactly my point.  Anyway - I'm looking forward to the Tremulous league afterwards.  I agree it will work a lot better and likely get better participation from all.  Cheers,

[Vape]

Tremulous leagues and tournaments will continue to fail because half the clan scene is mediocre players who don't know anything about anything, and the other half don't give a shit about this game anymore.

[Vape]

 

[Flux]

vape funny man but speak wise word

ddos angry because they think they make good win but really they know they make loss on themself inside

[Lecavalier]

If you would have showed up on time or told us in advance that you're late we would have replayed it. The game didn't start until after 40min past the scheduled time.
I, and the rest of the ddos team had planned and dedicated time for the games. Now we had to sit in irc and in game for 40min doing nothing, time the that could be spent doing other things.
Also your constant spamming the entire game how we suck didn't help.

EDIT: Also it was said that the game was started. If you like to teamkill each other instead of playing properly you cant exactly blame us for it.

Well for starters, there was no "Are you guys ready?"
and secondly, I missed the fact that it was legit until like halfway into the game, so i can easily see why they missed it, there was a lot of chatter.

Not to mention, you decided to rush after they lost a man to 999, even tho the rules say the game is to be paused for up to 2 minutes, you just rushed instead. Real classy bro.

@Heli: You guys had plenty of time to find a fourth or a sub. I saw you, Lecavalier, and Zephyr on US1 hours before the match time. 4 PM EST on Sunday is just the default time; all clans are welcome to reschedule almost a week in advance. I find it saddening that NoS, a clan of mostly inactive players, can make matches but DSPro (an active clan who is on daily) finds it hard to show up. There have been calls for your removal in the tournament since it's pretty much a forfeit win for any clan that faces you. If you guys can't get your shit together, then consider yourselves removed from the tournament.

This thread really has nothing to do with the current tournaments but FYI I told other DSPros I couldn't make it.  I'm not sure who our four scrimming DSPro are right now - I think most of our players are from completely different timezones and one is participating under the GT banner.  I can't make 4PM EST (1PM PST) because I work at that time. 11 EST may work better for some people.  I agree with you it is saddening that we can't coordinate these times - how many clans have dropped out now or are not participating?  That is exactly my point.  Anyway - I'm looking forward to the Tremulous league afterwards.  I agree it will work a lot better and likely get better participation from all.  Cheers,

Wow, people are getting really upset over this thing huh? You all have to remember that this is just a game. It's meant to have a good time not to fight! If it's bothering people that much, maybe those people should take a little break. Step back and smell the flowers Nobody should let something like this get to them.

If there's one or two games that don't happen because there aren't enough people, no big deal. If one map is done incorrectly, that's ok too. There will be plenty of times in the future to play more.

[F50]

Also the "ref" saying that there's no point in redoing that map because he doesn't believe NoS has a chance. Then later on bitching that no one takes this tournament seriously is lulz.

That is just, lol. I'm sorry, that is just poor. I agree with vape.


On the other hand, scheduling in scheduling, a lot of people can't make it at the default times (which IMO, you really shouldn't be scrimming at anyways other than as a last resort), so schedule it yourself. If you can't schedule properly, or show up rather late, understand when people who do take this more seriously can get a bit more than annoyed at you.

As for DSPro not making it, as I understand it there are precisely 4 rather active DSPros scrimming for the tourney: Lecavalier, Heli, Ethereal, Deathof1. With some more support from other, somewhat active DSPros like Akatsuki, Fallen, and others, they could make a full 5 fairly regularly without too much, if they were careful to schedule it so everyone would be there. Unfortunately, DSPro doesn't have an IRC channel or some other way to pass messages more quickly, this means that scheduling a match can't be done within a single day. I'm saying it is possible for DSPro to show up, but it will take more work. Of course, that is made a lot easier with subs, but as I understand that option won't be available for the next scrim. To tell the truth suspected GT would have similar problems, but that hasn't been the case so far.

Finally, I should point out that this tournament included clans that are not as serious as CaD and ddos intentionally, in an attempt to make this a tremulous-wide event. NoS wouldn't be NoS if they came here to be really serious about things.

[Heli]

This thread got derailed - it was about a Tremulous League and the fact that we're doing an Olympic type event and not doing a regular season competition.  In my opinion, it sounds like it can be closed since Kharnov said we are doing a Tremulous League after the Olympic event is over.