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Terror of the East

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« on: August 09, 2006, 11:40:12 am »
HEi GuYz wE shud mak da basi lik supr l33t n stuf cuz I 4 sum reson I cunt kil bsuits wit it LOL OMFG ROFL LMAO HAHAHHAhaha!

Okay, so you suck with basilisk. Stop making stupid ass suggestions, which add absolutely nothing of relevancy to anything. If you suck with particular weapon/class either practice with it or deal with tough cookies. I've played with almost every class and weapon in almost every situation and there's a solution for everything. If there's a bsuit with a flamer, don't be retarded and try to solo it. If there's a person with a lucifer cannon that knows how to overload it so even if he's stuck it kills you, don't chase him. A lot of the game is knowing the skill level of your opponents and how to pick and choose your fights.

Really it all comes down to an infamous gloom saying: Get some skill.
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Stof

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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2006, 12:36:07 pm »
No matter what you say, basilisk sucks. Regular basilisk is nearly OK in what it does for 1 evo point, Adv Basilisk is a complete waste of the additional evo point, not counting the fact you lose that point it if you evole to any other form.

Also, unless there's a building to backstab ( thanks for the wallwalking ), dretch kills better than basilisk and costs far less.

Basilisk doesn't suck because you cannot kill with it ! It sucks because dretch is much better except to kill buildings and costs far less.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2006, 12:55:02 pm »
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Vector_Matt

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2006, 03:22:24 pm »
Quote from: "Seffylight"
OBJECTION!

I agree, basilisk is a great class to be, and advanced basi is great against humans who can't afford helmets/don't have one, and the faster regen and higher health on the advanced are all worth that extra point.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2006, 03:59:52 pm »
Quote from: "Vector_Matt"
Quote from: "Seffylight"
OBJECTION!

I agree, basilisk is a great class to be, and advanced basi is great against humans who can't afford helmets/don't have one, and the faster regen and higher health on the advanced are all worth that extra point.

You can get even faster regen and even more HP and even more attack power by evolving to Mara instead. You only lose the useless gaz and the wall walking.

Remember, gaz only works against humans without helmet : ie it only works against humans that are incredibly easy to kill with a dretch ! Don't tell me a crappy low damage and mildly disturbing attack on a 2 evo points alien is better than 96pts of damage with fast attack speed on a 0 evo points alien.
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Vector_Matt

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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2006, 04:11:55 pm »
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You only lose the useless gaz and the wall walking.
Wrong, basilisks can grab humans, and that is a very good ability if you sneak up on humans like you should.
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Stof

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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2006, 04:19:44 pm »
Quote from: "Vector_Matt"
Quote from: "Stof"
You only lose the useless gaz and the wall walking.
Wrong, basilisks can grab humans, and that is a very good ability if you sneak up on humans like you should.

Sneaking up on humans is hard enouth if they aren't deaf, how can you do that against helmet using humans ? It only works in the heat of battle and there, you'd better go for 2 quick slashes to the head as a mara.
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Rippy

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2006, 04:27:29 pm »
Just remove basi from the radar or something, and find a way to make adv basi worth it. Maybe basi only shows up on radar when it's in the human's LoS?

And the adv basi needs some major beefing, it's pretty sad when you see half the team in adv mara and later adv goon, and noone's adv basi because the newbies trying it out just get owned within 30 seconds.
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Stof

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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2006, 04:47:29 pm »
No ! Boost the Adv Basilisk before you do something to the basilisk. As it stands, the standard class is weak for the cost, but not too much and making it invisible on the radar is not a good solution ! Start by fixing the Adv Basilisk first.

Besides, invisible on radar would be annoying for endgame alien hunting, would make the basilisk far too strong at ambushing humans and so make the humans camp their base even more. In the end, it will completly negate the boost and make some games even more boring.
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Henners

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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2006, 06:31:02 pm »
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Rippy

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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2006, 09:26:30 pm »
Oh Henners, you and your objections...

And true, no radar might make it annoying at the end of the game. But I meant that they're visible in radar if they're in your field of view, regardless of whether or not there's anything between you and the basi. So if you actually LOOKED at the spot where the basi may be hiding, you'd see it on radar. But, I'm thinking that would add a lot of unnecessary complexity.

[Edit: removed suggestion, posted it in actual basi suggestion thread instead so as not to hijack this one]
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2006, 01:38:25 am »
As long as a mediocre player as myself can regularly cripple Human bases by slashing their Reactor, the Basilisk is fine by me.

[PS] Stop copying Henners' Objections, your attempts are futile.
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2006, 09:42:54 am »
stof come play with me on satgnu or aliens wrath and you will change your mind. Basi is a ownage class, owns everything up to medicore BS owner.

human teammates with MD help too, as Lava can tell you :]
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Stof

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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2006, 09:59:26 am »
I do play basilisk quite often and it is a fun class to play until humans get heavier weaponry. I still think that quite often, the Dretch does a much better job than a basilisk AND it is free so you lose nothing when you die.

Now, try to convince me the Adv Basilisk is worth it's 2 evo points if you want 8)
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Juno

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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2006, 02:03:33 pm »
Quote from: "Rippy"
Just remove basi from the radar or something, and find a way to make adv basi worth it. Maybe basi only shows up on radar when it's in the human's LoS?




no, encourages even more camping at s1, and  basis would own every game uptil s3.


Quote from: "rasz_pl"
stof come play with me on satgnu or aliens wrath and you will change your mind. Basi is a ownage class, owns everything up to medicore BS owner.



yes. this man is right. inf epik (sp) will pwn you all as basi. even BS's arent safe from his skills. the basi is fine. just learn to use it
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Rippy

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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2006, 03:10:30 pm »
Quote from: "Juno"
Quote from: "Rippy"
Just remove basi from the radar or something, and find a way to make adv basi worth it. Maybe basi only shows up on radar when it's in the human's LoS?




no, encourages even more camping at s1, and  basis would own every game uptil s3.


Quote from: "rasz_pl"
stof come play with me on satgnu or aliens wrath and you will change your mind. Basi is a ownage class, owns everything up to medicore BS owner.



yes. this man is right. inf epik (sp) will pwn you all as basi. even BS's arent safe from his skills. the basi is fine. just learn to use it


I know this probably isn't the place to ask this, but how exactly does the basi grab work on bsuits? I've tried once or twice but got slaughtered each time, so I've never had a real chance to try it out >_> Can they still turn around?
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Stof

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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2006, 05:17:16 pm »
Quote from: "rasz_pl"
stof come play with me on satgnu or aliens wrath and you will change your mind. Basi is a ownage class, owns everything up to medicore BS owner.

human teammates with MD help too, as Lava can tell you :]

Oh and, BTW. SATGNU is always full when I'm looking for a game :evil:
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2006, 07:46:15 pm »
Quote from: "Stof"
I do play basilisk quite often and it is a fun class to play until humans get heavier weaponry. I still think that quite often, the Dretch does a much better job than a basilisk AND it is free so you lose nothing when you die.


You mean S2? dretch at S2 is just a fly, a distraction to be ignored or squished with a fast pulse burst/shottie shell. Basi on the other hand can kill and STAY ALIVE = not feed.

http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=18062#18062
You can count how many times I died in that game :)

Quote from: "Stof"
Now, try to convince me the Adv Basilisk is worth it's 2 evo points if you want 8)


I wont, adv.basi Is a waste of evo. Even I proposed upgrading it with sound mimicking capabilities.

Quote from: "Stof"
Oh and, BTW. SATGNU is always full when I'm looking for a game :evil:


try harder :) I play mostly on sat or aliens wrath, use "Find Friend" a few times till u catch me :)
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Nux

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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2006, 09:43:33 pm »
Adv. Basi isn't THAT bad. Many a time has it helped (with it's higher health) to hold down pesky enemies for me.

Granted, I'm not the Adv. Basi.. I'm usually something better...

-BUT!- If the humans don't have helmets or battlesuites for whatever reason, a boostered Adv. Basi can make an easy poison disher.

(that's me.. the devil's advocate as always)
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Stof

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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2006, 09:57:52 pm »
You mean, the Adv Basilisk is a costly weapon used to kill cashless humans. You do know that Dretches do that much better too ? Well, maybe not much better but at least it's far cheaper.

In my opinion, if there is a thing where the Basilisk shines, it's to kill lone turrets. Much easier to pull out that a Dretch, cheaper than all the other alien forms and can be done with very limited room whereas Dretch and Mara need room around the turret :)

That and it's a cheap alien that can very easily kill a reactor without taking any damage.
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Nux

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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2006, 10:10:30 pm »
Pah, you're a much better advocate than me =P

..but if the turret can be picked off by an Adv. Basi, chance are the dragoon you could have bought for the same points would do it easier.. I normally pick those turrets off with marauders or dretches. I don't see many situations where a basilisk is the better turret killer.
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Stof

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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2006, 10:14:29 pm »
Quote from: "Nux"
Pah, you're a much better advocate than me =P

..but if the turret can be picked off by an Adv. Basi, chance are the dragoon you could have bought for the same points would do it easier.. I normally pick those turrets off with marauders or dretches. I don't see many situations where a basilisk is the better turret killer.

Well, sorry about that but I was talking about the Basilisk here ;) And a Dragoon costs one more point than an Adv Basilisk ( and you do not lose one point for the Adv prefix )
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Nux

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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2006, 10:22:20 pm »
Heh, so it does. My mistake :P
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2006, 06:22:56 am »
Advanced Basilisk is by no means useless. I'd consider it an incredibly great solo hunter. Using the alien sensing humans ability, it's great to sneak up and track humans, hoping that they'll stray far enough away from the group that you can sit on their head for 2-3 seconds before their buddy saves him. The gas is pretty damn useless, but those 25 extra hitpoints are to die for. But yeah, admittedly, b-suits do trash the basilisk. But that's just like saying advanced goons trash the pain saw. Both painsaws and basilisks are great S1 and S2 tools, but lose their effectiveness against S3 opponents, and fully rightfully so.
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Stof

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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2006, 11:35:53 am »
Well, I do not agree with you. First, of course the Adv Basilisk is better than the Basilisk ! Better healt, better regen and a new power that might be usefull sometimes. The only drawback is a bigger hitbox.

Now you see, you get 25 more HP but a bigger hitbox, and all that for 1 consumed evo point ! ( it means you still have to pay the full price like if you were Basilisk when you want to evo more ) The dubious advantages you get and the drawback in no way makes the Adv Basilisk be worth a 100% increase in cost compared to Basilisk !
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PHREAK

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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2006, 07:58:22 am »
Adv Basi should be a free upgrade, like the adv granger.
Also, the hitbox should stay the same due to the weapons upgrades hummies get.
I don't see drawbacks to this.
Feel free to point them out.
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