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Does volt claim other people's work as his own?

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Tremulant

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2012, 11:03:10 pm »
The only bad part about TremZ/Unvanquished is that it attracts assholes from 1.1 where in gpp we have a far fewer concentration of assholes per 10 players, compared to 1.1 where at least 8 out of ten people are douchebags. Such as the above. Case in point.
Please, just stop typing for a while, it's painful to read the kind of nonsense you come out with every other time you post...
Tremz was founded by one of the biggest arseholes in all of tremdom, the rest of them are nothing by comparison.

btw, hi, i'm from gpp and you probably consider me to be a "douchebag".
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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2012, 06:52:51 am »
volt told us that he made the TremZ splash page by himself.
http://tympanus.net/Tutorials/SplashComingSoonPageEffects/index2.html
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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2012, 06:54:12 am »
volt told us that he made the TremZ splash page by himself.
http://tympanus.net/Tutorials/SplashComingSoonPageEffects/index2.html

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2012, 07:00:38 am »
The rant image where it says "Tremz" is from our logo:



never asked for permission :) in fact, i recall volt dissing it when showed to him.

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2012, 07:06:06 am »
the banner image here - http://tremz.com/community/
belongs to the gameboom community, as granted by ceRra its original author. apparently the title of the artwork 'dretch storm' was cropped out.



permission was never asked or granted.

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2012, 09:59:17 am »
The rant image where it says "Tremz" is from our logo:

image

never asked for permission :) in fact, i recall volt dissing it when showed to him.


What rant image with Tremz? WHY HAVE I NEVER SEEN THIS?!?!? WHY ARE PEOPLE HIDING STUFF FROM ME?!?!?
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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2012, 01:52:17 pm »
The only bad part about TremZ/Unvanquished is that it attracts assholes from 1.1 where in gpp we have a far fewer concentration of assholes per 10 players, compared to 1.1 where at least 8 out of ten people are douchebags. Such as the above. Case in point.
Please, just stop typing for a while, it's painful to read the kind of nonsense you come out with every other time you post...
Tremz was founded by one of the biggest arseholes in all of tremdom, the rest of them are nothing by comparison.

btw, hi, i'm from gpp and you probably consider me to be a "douchebag".
Every OTHER time I post!? Are you feeling generous today or did you visit your mental councilor, or take some happy pills?
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 01:55:27 pm by GeneralScott »

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2012, 03:04:19 pm »
The only bad part about TremZ/Unvanquished is that it attracts assholes from 1.1 where in gpp we have a far fewer concentration of assholes per 10 players, compared to 1.1 where at least 8 out of ten people are douchebags. Such as the above. Case in point.
Please, just stop typing for a while, it's painful to read the kind of nonsense you come out with every other time you post...
Tremz was founded by one of the biggest arseholes in all of tremdom, the rest of them are nothing by comparison.

btw, hi, i'm from gpp and you probably consider me to be a "douchebag".
Every OTHER time I post!? Are you feeling generous today or did you visit your mental councilor, or take some happy pills?
Yep, was feeling generous, now, not so much, so kindly GTFO.
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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2012, 12:17:11 am »

ME GTFO!? As I recall, you just jumped into this topic with this nice little welcome:

Please, just stop typing for a while, it's painful to read the kind of nonsense you come out with every other time you post...


I can honestly never even THINK of a single time that I just joined a topic and raged someone with NO provocation, as you have on more threads than just this one. Criticized, yes. But just raged? Only assholes do that. Now stop whining and let the topic continue...
« Last Edit: March 08, 2012, 12:20:44 am by GeneralScott »

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2012, 12:33:11 am »

ME GTFO!? As I recall, you just jumped into this topic with this nice little welcome:

Please, just stop typing for a while, it's painful to read the kind of nonsense you come out with every other time you post...

Only, that's not actually true, i jumped into this topic with http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16503.msg232253#msg232253 some time ago...

I can honestly never even THINK of a single time that I just joined a topic and raged someone with NO provocation, as you have on more threads than just this one. Criticized, yes. But just raged? Only assholes do that. Now stop whining and let the topic continue...
The trouble is that when you join in you tend not to make any sense or have any idea what you're talking about, when your contributions are utterly wrong someone might well point that out to you, as for my last post, you asked for that, you really did.
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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2012, 01:02:13 am »
So you joined this topic because of the scent of Volt's blood in the water. Easy target for flaming since he obviously does actually deserve it. But my first post QRNTZ or whatever decided to call BS on is perfectly correct. It really doesn't matter whether Volt is an arse or not, or whether he uses images without permission, or any of that. It may not be the best moral decision, but the only thing that matters to 99% of the players is whether he puts out a fun final product. The Unvanquished development team's time is better spent making their game better than TremZ if they really want to smack it to him, not making rage topics on forums.

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2012, 02:23:35 am »
So you joined this topic because of the scent of Volt's blood in the water. Easy target for flaming since he obviously does actually deserve it. But my first post QRNTZ or whatever decided to call BS on is perfectly correct. It really doesn't matter whether Volt is an arse or not, or whether he uses images without permission, or any of that. It may not be the best moral decision, but the only thing that matters to 99% of the players is whether he puts out a fun final product. The Unvanquished development team's time is better spent making their game better than TremZ if they really want to smack it to him, not making rage topics on forums.


It's rare that you see such a sensible post on these forums. I salute you, sir.
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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2012, 05:27:04 am »
The Unvanquished development team's time is better spent making their game better than TremZ if they really want to smack it to him, not making rage topics on forums.
Your post strongly implies that I can only be doing one of two things, developing for Unvanquished or posting on this forum. That is incorrect and my posts on this website have taken no more than an hour. On the other hand, I have spent countless hours contributing to Unvanquished and we are making progress.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2012, 05:30:55 am by Sixthly »
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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2012, 10:56:54 am »
lol, i have cera's artwork as my background XD
I agree, there a shitloads of "modified" artwork he has used. Sorry volt, but i'll f1 here.

Also, that trapper model... i've seen it somewhere. I think it was originally some sort of scorpion like thing that clung onto something...

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2012, 02:29:58 pm »
ULTRA, I'm pretty sure the trapper model isn't stolen from anywhere, as it follows the same design scheme and looks as the rest of the WOP alien models and is attributed to an author other than Volt on the progress picasa (or whatever.)

And CreatureOfHell. Thank you. :)

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2012, 02:44:49 pm »
The trapper model is legit. On the other hand, who's talking? ViruS. Hahahaha, why am I even reading :police:

You make up Qrntz, u always angry, just calmdown. :police:
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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2012, 07:49:45 pm »
The trapper model is legit.
Indeed. The trapper model is from scratch by none other than the fantastic DanDoomBuggy, who is Superman and Jesus combined, then wrapped up in a 3D developer.

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2012, 09:36:55 pm »
It may not be the best moral decision, but the only thing that matters to 99% of the players is whether he puts out a fun final product.

Which is swell so long as the 1% doesn't contain those people who were helping volt.

Morals are practical too.

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2012, 02:29:19 am »
It's quite strange that there are still a few that choose to cling to a false hope, that Volt will come and deliver what he has promised for so long. A "fully professional, commercial game", was it? I'll even admit to believing his bullshit at first, from the time I signed up to be his very first mouthpiece (a position now held by SamOz) right up until I pulled my head out of my ass last December. I was one of the first to speak up against Volt, and several times I've risked my own standing on the development team so that I could speak out and let the others know of his crooked dealings. Few things have been more deeply satisfying to me than the split last weekend, and as you've all seen on this thread, others have savored this chance to finally drop the self-censorship and call Volt out on his thievery.

Like many of you, I've been waiting years for the next Tremulous. I began playing on the [EBSF] server five years ago, right when Tremulous was in its golden age. I saw the decline first-hand, and watched as many members of the community grew bored and quit, leaving to play other games with active development. Imagine, then, how I felt when Volt first appeared last summer with his grand aim of creating the next version of Tremulous. At the time, he showed me a few models that he had laying around, and a couple of in-game shots. Little did I know, his shots were all mockups and he claimed to have a load more work done than he really did at the time. Dushan wasn't even around yet, and we didn't have an engine. Somehow, in late August, he believed we'd be done by New Year's Eve. I signed myself up and started doing writing tasks for the project.

Things looked bright and cheery at first, but over the coming months, Volt being increasingly erratic. As the release date approached, his plans started to become a little ridiculous, and a complete lack of organization prevented anyone from figuring out just what the hell they were supposed to be doing. While Volt was busy trying to figure out how to make a profit off the website and launch himself into a paid career, the rest of us were left to fend for ourselves and panic over the impending release date. Repeatedly, Volt claimed to be sending about "30 emails per day" to potential asset creators, none of whom were responding to him. He also claimed that he only slept for four hours every two days, and that he had an impressive list of skills, ranging from site design to sound production. As we all later discovered, his site and HUDs were copied from various websites, and his sounds were taken from an eclectic range of sources, including porno moans being used for his female pain sound.

I think the day that Volt finally lost it was when the Doom 3 source came out, and he immediately wanted to switch over to it. His estimate of the new release date using the new code would've been several years from now, and when I questioned him regarding the impact on the community, he repeatedly stated, "fuck the community" and "they don't deserve this." I eventually talked him out of this rather poor strategic choice, but things went downhill from there. Perhaps you all remember him deleting the old Picasa account because of people pointing out the lack of organization or explanation for things? A few weeks later in late December, Volt decided to ragequit the project without telling anyone why. He just packed up and left, with a week remaining to release time.

When `Ishq and cron stepped in as project heads, things were immediately reorganized, the release date was set to something more realistic at the time, and everyone was given their assignments and a direction within six hours after Volt's departure. I put advertisements out to recruit developers, and contacted a few directly, bolstering our development team in areas that were lacking under Volt's supposed leadership. Rather than pushing away the community, as Volt intended (see the log of him claiming he developed for himself first and everyone else second), we talked to you. I got a new Picasa up and started regularly reporting our progress. Things were not only looking great, but we all knew that we had a realistic shot at releasing the game.

For the entire month of January, things were blissful. Massive progress was made. Under our new management, everyone had (and still has) a place and a direction. At the end of the month, Volt came back. He claimed to have changed his ways, and that in the past he was stressed out and needed a break from things. Gullible as we were, we let him back in, not knowing just what he was planning. Of course, we didn't need to wait long for that. Volt's supposed innocence quickly eroded after his first attempt to take over, right in mid-February. He claimed the project wasn't going in the way he intended, and that he was taking everything over. Attempts to peacefully ask him about things quickly devolved into him freaking out and telling everyone to shut up because certain unnamed "people" were on his side. Soon enough, I discovered that neither `Ishq nor cron had agreed to anything he claimed they agreed to, nor did anyone else. Volt backed down after a huge backlash on the channel, and went back to being quiet.

The next flareup happened right after we released, and led into the split you all saw last weekend. Right after we revealed that Volt was stealing artwork, he once more freaked out, unable to answer anyone with anything besides telling them to shut up. Volt, with his puppet Herm, quickly took over the website and banned everyone that disagreed with him, calling them "traitors" in the ban reasons. The development team quickly coalesced under the new Unvanquished banner, leaving TremZ to Volt, several of his cronies, and a website so poorly designed that it looks as if it was lifted off a Myspace profile.

I'd like to clear up some misconceptions:

  • Volt does not have a game. TremZ does not exist. The game you've been playing so far is Unvanquished. There is a bugfix release this weekend. Please visit our website if you'd like to stay updated.
  • There is no active development on TremZ. The developers are all on the Unvanquished IRC channels. It's conceivable that at some point, Volt will attempt to fork Unvanquished, branding it as TremZ. This is possible within open source, and not outside the limits of Volt's lack of ethics.
  • All that Volt has is a website. If you are posting on the TremZ forums, you are either posting about a game that does not exist, or a different game that was already released in an alpha state and does not involve Volt in any way, shape or form.

Now, I don't like to keep kicking a man when he's down. We can all thank Volt for taking the initiative in forming a project. Two projects, in fact. He was the first to start up TremZ, right around the same time that a load of other people were discussing forks. More importantly, his alarmingly foul behavior has provided us with a common identity of Unvanquished to rally around. We have learned from the mistakes of the past, as he has taken the initiative to commit them for us. Development will continue, but here are some parting words:

Good night, scum.

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2012, 03:39:13 am »
tl;dr

 :police:


Someone had to do it.

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2012, 05:55:52 am »
tl;dr: Tremulous, the soap opera, coming soon(tm). :D
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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2012, 02:37:40 pm »
Too long, but did read.

I didn't realise this had been going on over the past few months but considering I joined and left back in September precisely because of volt and his ethics it doesn't come as such a great surprise.

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #52 on: March 10, 2012, 12:38:31 am »
« Last Edit: March 14, 2012, 11:15:33 am by CreatureofHell »
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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2012, 09:57:26 pm »
Again, after all of these words the only thing that comes out on top is who has the better game. Get to it, guys. I'm not really taking sides, since I don't have any morals and just want a good game.

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #54 on: March 14, 2012, 06:58:43 am »
Again, after all of these words the only thing that comes out on top is who has the better game. Get to it, guys. I'm not really taking sides, since I don't have any morals and just want a good game.
What if the game slaughtered babies for each copy downloaded?
« Last Edit: March 14, 2012, 07:00:56 am by computerquip »

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #55 on: March 14, 2012, 11:16:29 am »
Again, after all of these words the only thing that comes out on top is who has the better game. Get to it, guys. I'm not really taking sides, since I don't have any morals and just want a good game.
What if the game slaughtered babies for each copy downloaded?
No morals so who cares?
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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2012, 12:41:55 pm »
Whatever. I just thought the trapper looked suspicious because i've seen something similar like in a movie.  :o
tl;dr
I read half of it. So far until it bored me, i agree on his opinion.
From what i picked up:
-story about tremulous's "golden age" and when the community start to die out 5 years ago (i watched it happen, they used to have 200+servers with 200+players at anytime of the day)
-volt promised too much
-volt's a super idiot by betraying the dev team while he's trying to (make money?) and making people confused
-he stole stuff (thats what this is about anyway)
-claims he spent most of his time in this point of his like towards to the developement (sending 30 emails a day, slept 4 hours something like that)
-kharnov says he tried to persuade something into volt and he said in return that he didn't care about the community
-re-explained what sixthly said about being banned for "traitor"
-this should be easy to read anyways:
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Volt does not have a game. TremZ does not exist. The game you've been playing so far is Unvanquished. There is a bugfix release this weekend. Please visit our website if you'd like to stay updated.
There is no active development on TremZ. The developers are all on the Unvanquished IRC channels. It's conceivable that at some point, Volt will attempt to fork Unvanquished, branding it as TremZ. This is possible within open source, and not outside the limits of Volt's lack of ethics.
All that Volt has is a website. If you are posting on the TremZ forums, you are either posting about a game that does not exist, or a different game that was already released in an alpha state and does not involve Volt in any way, shape or form.
-thanked somewhat for volt starting these projects, but said in return (for the developement team splitting) - Good night, scum.
*thinking of which, wasn't the developement opened to all programmers to join?
http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16247.msg231443#msg231443
http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=16237.0 <--read the facts carefully. More than half of these are denied. Also, why couldn't volt post this himself?

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #58 on: March 15, 2012, 07:49:47 pm »
didn't realize that Volt was such a douche bag...
anyway from now on I'm supporting Unvanquished, hopefully you guys will make a great game for us!

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Re: VOLT STEALING ART
« Reply #59 on: November 28, 2013, 02:24:06 am »
Quote from: volt
I redrew them based on the image he has on his deviant art with the pen tool.
thus, creating derivative work, whether or not the redrawing statement is true.

long ago, when i was given the task to review volt's new sounds, i felt something fishy too.

did i mention that Daemon (the supposed engine name) is a registered trademark according to at least 1 trademark database, in which Unvanquished (the supposed game name) also brings up conflicts?
that is rather interesting