TremZ does not have a team, or, How Are Sane People Supposed To React, Ep. 2

[SamOz]

Kharnov,
The private hobbies of individuals are not our concern, neither should they be yours. Whether or not a model maker is a member of the XNALara community and is a fan of Lara Croft is irrelevant. Whatever software that a model maker uses to express their liking of Lara Croft is also irrelevant.

I merely replied to what you stated. You claimed that the TremZ development team are making Lara Croft models. We're not.

Stop trolling, go and work on your game.

End of discussion.

[kharnov]

Show me where I claimed you're making Lara Croft models.

Also, not only are you still not replying to what I've pointed out, but you're also accusing me of having mental illness and/or trolling. You still haven't edited your post in that thread to remove the claim that one of you made those images.

[TheDushan]

Show me where I claimed you're making Lara Croft models.

Also, not only are you still not replying to what I've pointed out, but you're also accusing me of having mental illness and/or trolling. You still haven't edited your post in that thread to remove the claim that one of you made those images.

Yes I clam that you have mental illness.

And after 32 reply's we we got to problem what is bothering Unvanquished team .....
"You still haven't edited your post in that thread to remove the claim that one of you made those images."

Yes Master it will be done.

While I am here what else can we do, because on most of time I like to watch topics, not to post.

[Nux]

The private hobbies of individuals are not our concern

Clearly they are, since you posted them.

Now whether Retro is XNAaral is TheDushan or some combination thereof, is undetermined. All I can say is I've seen Volt post completely unrelated pictures of other peoples work to promote the project and I wouldn't at all be surprised if that's what you were doing here.

[TheDushan]

The private hobbies of individuals are not our concern

Clearly they are, since you posted them.

Now whether Retro is XNAaral is TheDushan or some combination thereof, is undetermined. All I can say is I've seen Volt post completely unrelated pictures of other peoples work to promote the project and I wouldn't at all be surprised if that's what you were doing here.

Well about what Volt did is questionable, and that is true. And until he post it will stay like it is now.

I can not speak for others, if we want to talk on possibilities what here happened, maybe he did that work, maybe SamOz got wrong info and posted, maybe he just want to take credits for that, ... All that is possible, and nobody can confirm or denied that. Its matter of speculations. Life mystery

[SamOz]

The private hobbies of individuals are not our concern

Clearly they are, since you posted them.

Clearly they're not, despite your word games.

We defend the right of individuals to have private lives, you obviously don't. If an artist who is a fan of Lara Croft uses software designed for posing models of Lara Croft, and alters those images to suit his own desires, that is not our concern. If an artist chooses to use a particular software for their private hobbies, is not our concern. If an artist is part of a community that are fans of using that software, is also not our concern.

What concerns me more is the way certain individuals try to attack someone else's private hobbies that they engage in their own private lives.


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Show me where I claimed you're making Lara Croft models.

Your OWN words, Kharnov;

You're still not replying to the fact that you have pictures of Lara Croft models up, and that you're claiming it as your development team's work.

You're still not responding to the blatant fact that you've taken Lara Croft models and passed it off as your own work.

We never claimed any such thing for either of these claims of yours.

Kharnov, you're apparently some nutter with no commonsense, no comprehension of logic, and no concern for individual privacy.

[kharnov]

I see that you've finally removed the images. Thanks!

Have a nice day.

[SamOz]

I see that you've finally removed the images. Thanks!

Have a nice day.

My attachments folder was full. I clear it occasionally.

What exactly is your mental problem, Kharnov?

[TheDushan]

I see that you've finally removed the images. Thanks!

Have a nice day.

At end, as my last post here on this topic and issue....

I would really like that Unvanquished team/people (whatever) stop with trolling against on TremZ.
Because nobody at TremZ trolled against Unvanquished (start trolling, posting random topics, pics, posts...), and at least while I am there, there will not be any trolling on Unvanquished.

EDIT: I would just like the same from Unvanquished

[1337-Kynes]

I would really like that Unvanquished team/people (whatever) stop with trolling against on TremZ.

Criticism != trolling

When somebody claims something that is contrary to your worldview, it is easy to discount it as trolling instead of giving it serious thought and reevaluating the situation. Especially when several people bring up the same thing, consider the possibility that they actually believe what they are saying, and that you might be wrong.

[TheDushan]

Yes Kynes I am fully aware on that, but how you know its matter of how you approach to problem. Its always better to post PM, on their forum about mistake and criticism instead of just bashing ... rest you know.

I am aware that posts was deleted from TremZ forum when somebody think that they troll. But there is difference between valid criticism and trolling.

Look if I use this approach ....

"Look guys, you posted some photos what might not be work from (some dude), you should investigate it and if it isn't his work, remove it". Instead of that approach, others used different, and because of that we got here. And I am sorry because we got here on fortieth reply.

I would like that others stop with trolling and their valid concerns post on right forum. I can promise that ALL valid concerns will be reevaluate and not removed from forum.

Like I said, its matter of approach to problem and how you present it.

And my point still stay that I would like Unvanquished to stop trolling TremZ

[SamOz]

consider the possibility that they actually believe what they are saying, and that you might be wrong.

So, you want to support Kharnov's silly claim that the TremZ team is making Lara Croft models too?

 

If their crazy claims aren't trolling, then it must be insanity on their part. So what do you say it is? Bear in mind, this isn't about opinion, it's a fact that TremZ is not making Lara Croft models.


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Also, I'm not sure whether you're misreading what is said

Read Kharnov's posts, HE made the claim, not anyone on TremZ.

you keep contesting that TremZ is going to use Lara Croft models

Kharnov INSISTED that we were. Read his posts, read what I quoted. Deal with the fact that he is WRONG. And so are you.

The point was you seemed to be misrepresenting the capabilities of this allegedly new model creator

If you want to attack the hobbies of people, activities that they engage in their private lives, then you are nothing but the lowest of the low. Nobody in TremZ is misrepresenting anything, but what you Unvanquished trolls have done with your repetitive, inane, crazy, irrational creation of threads for the sole purpose of bashing TremZ, or attacking individuals associated with TremZ is simply disgusting.

If you don't want to be percieved as trolls, then stop acting like trolls. The END.

[1337-Kynes]

My point is, whether or not you agree with what they said, qrntz and kharnov are not trolling.

[Nux]

If they were trolling then you've successfully fed them. I'm not saying they are trolling, but the proper response to someone you believe to be a troll is not to respond to them. If you really have to respond, make sure it's short and to the point while avoiding drawn-out discussions with them.

Also, I'm not sure whether you're misreading what is said or are just creating straw men but you keep contesting that TremZ is going to use Lara Croft models when that was never the point. The accusation was asserting you were faking new members. I don't know whether this is true but you don't seem to have denied it so much as pointed towards the lack of proof.

I don't think anyone thinks you're going to use Lara Croft models in TremZ. The point was you seemed to be misrepresenting the capabilities of this allegedly new model creator by providing pictures of a model that you acknowledge was not made by anyone associated with TremZ. It may be the case that the model was posed or the picture was taken/editted by this artist, but that says next to zero about their modelling capabilities. So either you or this new member (or both) made a dishonest attempt to impress or it was a gross mistake that you have yet to apologise for. Note how this point stands regardless of whether the new member was a fake or not. It's stuff like this that gives you a bad reputation.

Simple English tl;dr Version:

• You think they are trolls? Then don't respond to them.
• They said you faked a new member. You haven't convinced us otherwise.
• They don't expect you to use Lara Croft models in TremZ. The question is how shots of a model pose are anything to do with how good the new model creator is unless the model was made by him.
• You're not improving TremZ's image.

[RAKninja-Decepticon]

HermXIV tried that, CorSair.

He tried to invite the Unvanquished group back. They refused. It's too late now.

I suggest that you simply ban all these troll posts about Unvanquished and TremZ. Neither game is Tremulous. Neither belongs here.

We on the TremZ team have always said it's better to get on with developing our game. That is what we have been doing. I rarely post on Tremulous.net anyway.

after what volt did, i'd refuse to come back as well.

hell after what volt did, in addition to what he is currently doing, i left your forum and project, never to return.  i do kind of miss talking about story stuff for aliens and such with you and index, but at least my conscious is clean.

what a conundrum.  both tremz and 1.2 are vaporware, and unvanquished is progressing in directions i dont care for.

[Tremulant]

Look, rational people and unvanquished devs/hangers on, please just leave the poor defenceless tremz guys alone, you should know better than to harass such vulnerable individuals, at this point it's probably best not to question the fantasy world they've developed, it's clearly an important part of their coping strategy.

[GeneralScott]

In all serious, I wish that everyone would just stop posting in all these threads and wait a while. Time is the only thing that will tell who is right. Everything before that is just speculation.

[Chomps123]

+1

it is annoying
and immature

[KenuR]

I say let the argument continue cause it's funny as hell
Hey, Kharnov! SamOz told me he spit in your burger the other day! *giggles*