Stop complaining about campers!

[MtS]

In almost every tremulous game there's someone (usually on the alienteam) who complains about campers.  Sometimes there's reason for complaining but usually it just irritates me. Saying thing like "Noobhumans stop camping" won't do any good. If they actually  are noobs I rather see them camp than feed.

It's really sad when (skilled) aliens complain about humans who camps inside their base while they are camping outside the human base. It's like saying "you are noobs because you dont feed us enough".

Camping IS a strategy wheter you like it or not. Usually it's a dumb strategy (better than feeding though) but IHMO you shouldn't comment on your oponents' strategies before the match is over. Skilled players should know how to attack a base. If the other team camps its just a bigger challenge. Your not afraid of challenges are you?

The best thing to do if someone is camping is to show them how ineffective their strategy  is. Win them and they will learn that camping isn't worth it.

Tremulous is about attacking the enemy base and defending the own base. If you have forced your enemy back to defending that's a sign on that you've done things right. It's not a reason to complain.

I'm not recommending camping as a strategy (with exeption for complete noobs but those should be better of spectating), but don't let campers irritate you and don't irritate everybody by complaining and griefing. Let campers learn their lesson the hard way!

[Glunnator]

Praise prince of the obvious to shine light upon us noobs and camping nuts!  

[MtS]

Praise prince of the obvious to shine light upon us noobs and camping nuts!  

Huh?

[Glunnator]

If you don't understand it, ignore it

[Caveman]

I guess he agreed with you, but I am not so sure, might be lightly laced with sarcasm .)

[FX-Arch]

In almost every tremulous game there's someone (usually on the alienteam) who complains about campers.  Sometimes there's reason for complaining but usually it just irritates me. Saying thing like "Noobhumans stop camping" won't do any good. If they actually  are noobs I rather see them camp than feed.

It's really sad when (skilled) aliens complain about humans who camps inside their base while they are camping outside the human base. It's like saying "you are noobs because you dont feed us enough".

Camping IS a strategy wheter you like it or not. Usually it's a dumb strategy (better than feeding though) but IHMO you shouldn't comment on your oponents' strategies before the match is over. Skilled players should know how to attack a base. If the other team camps its just a bigger challenge. Your not afraid of challenges are you?

The best thing to do if someone is camping is to show them how ineffective their strategy  is. Win them and they will learn that camping isn't worth it.

Tremulous is about attacking the enemy base and defending the own base. If you have forced your enemy back to defending that's a sign on that you've done things right. It's not a reason to complain.

I'm not recommending camping as a strategy (with exeption for complete noobs but those should be better of spectating), but don't let campers irritate you and don't irritate everybody by complaining and griefing. Let campers learn their lesson the hard way!

Imagine: U are a nice little dretch. U think "MuHaHa let's make some headshots". U run to human base. U see 7 humans in a corner hiding. U try to lure them by jumping. Humans still remain in the corner. After 9 min u go goon but can't get past 9 turrets infront of human base. U wait and wait.  Then 1 human walks out of base. hooray! Let's kill him. He shoots 1 round and flees into corner. Eventually you destroy base with the help of some other team mates but the point is that it's so irritating that you can't have a proper game. And don't say this isn't irritating  

[MtS]

Imagine: U are a nice little dretch. U think "MuHaHa let's make some headshots". U run to human base. U see 7 humans in a corner hiding. U try to lure them by jumping. Humans still remain in the corner. After 9 min u go goon but can't get past 9 turrets infront of human base. U wait and wait.  Then 1 human walks out of base. hooray! Let's kill him. He shoots 1 round and flees into corner. Eventually you destroy base with the help of some other team mates but the point is that it's so irritating that you can't have a proper game. And don't say this isn't irritating  

That's a hypotetical situation right? Or witch map and corner are we talking about? Anyway in a  case like this, IMHO its justified to complain. I would say about 5% of the complaining about camping I've heared is justified. Maybe less.

Edit: I do think that many tremulous players are a bit impatient considering that tremulous isn't only a fps but has rts elements as well.

[FX-Arch]

Imagine: U are a nice little dretch. U think "MuHaHa let's make some headshots". U run to human base. U see 7 humans in a corner hiding. U try to lure them by jumping. Humans still remain in the corner. After 9 min u go goon but can't get past 9 turrets infront of human base. U wait and wait.  Then 1 human walks out of base. hooray! Let's kill him. He shoots 1 round and flees into corner. Eventually you destroy base with the help of some other team mates but the point is that it's so irritating that you can't have a proper game. And don't say this isn't irritating  

That's a hypotetical situation right? Or witch map and corner are we talking about? Anyway in a  case like this, IMHO its justified to complain. I would say about 5% of the complaining about camping I've heared is justified. Maybe less.

Edit: I do think that many tremulous players are a bit impatient considering that tremulous isn't only a fps but has rts elements as well.

Map = Kalrith   It happend. My team was feeding humans. Humans got to s3, Buys b-suits and lucies and hides in corner. My army of unnamedplayers was still feeding humans till I said that they must wait 9 minutes and then rush in. Humans just stood there like nothing was happening. Then 6 goons attacked. Humans still standing in corner. And we won.

[MtS]

Map = Kalrith   It happend. My team was feeding humans. Humans got to s3, Buys b-suits and lucies and hides in corner. My army of unnamedplayers was still feeding humans till I said that they must wait 9 minutes and then rush in. Humans just stood there like nothing was happening. Then 6 goons attacked. Humans still standing in corner. And we won.

Stupid campers Hopefully they've learned their lesson.

[Teiman]

Map = Kalrith   It happend. My team was feeding humans. Humans got to s3, Buys b-suits and lucies and hides in corner. My army of unnamedplayers was still feeding humans till I said that they must wait 9 minutes and then rush in. Humans just stood there like nothing was happening. Then 6 goons attacked. Humans still standing in corner. And we won.

Stupid campers Hopefully they've learned their lesson.

Karith yummi. I like maps with 2 good base locations (elev, original alien) and a default bad base for humans.

As you join humans on Karith or Transit you know one thing: If you dont move the original location of reactor, soon you will be raped. This force humans to actually PLAY the game or lost. Unhopefully some humans never learned their lessons WHY they losse.

[PHREAK]

The reason why I call people campers it to antagonize them, annoy them, irritate them. Not because they piss me off with camping. Ussually, a lonely hero gets pissed enough to run at me or the lure granger....whoosh...X was chomped by phreaks goon!

To be quite honest, I like camping hummies (given I have a decent alien team on my side). It means they are not getting kills and not raping our base and eggs. It's like pets in a cage, safe and secure....for now.

Most of the time, they use the warmth of the bonfire to make a cute wall of turrets and stand on it. Jump the wall, climb reacter and go at it. Reactor down and hummies have no idea what hit them. This strategy sucks on AKKA for hummies because the ones that notice me eating the reactor try to shoot me but hit the reactor for the most part resulting in a short ban.

[FX-Arch]

The reason why I call people campers it to antagonize them, annoy them, irritate them. Not because they piss me off with camping. Ussually, a lonely hero gets pissed enough to run at me or the lure granger....whoosh...X was chomped by phreaks goon!

To be quite honest, I like camping hummies (given I have a decent alien team on my side). It means they are not getting kills and not raping our base and eggs. It's like pets in a cage, safe and secure....for now.

Most of the time, they use the warmth of the bonfire to make a cute wall of turrets and stand on it. Jump the wall, climb reacter and go at it. Reactor down and hummies have no idea what hit them. This strategy sucks on AKKA for hummies because the ones that notice me eating the reactor try to shoot me but hit the reactor for the most part resulting in a short ban.

Or Adv. Mara, jump the wall and zap   :evil:

[MtS]

The reason why I call people campers it to antagonize them, annoy them, irritate them. Not because they piss me off with camping. Ussually, a lonely hero gets pissed enough to run at me or the lure granger....whoosh...X was chomped by phreaks goon!

To be quite honest, I like camping hummies (given I have a decent alien team on my side). It means they are not getting kills and not raping our base and eggs. It's like pets in a cage, safe and secure....for now.

Most of the time, they use the warmth of the bonfire to make a cute wall of turrets and stand on it. Jump the wall, climb reacter and go at it. Reactor down and hummies have no idea what hit them. This strategy sucks on AKKA for hummies because the ones that notice me eating the reactor try to shoot me but hit the reactor for the most part resulting in a short ban.

Fouling noobs isnt very nice. And you never know what you're starting. I've once seen a human threathing to decon reactor if his teammembers wouldn't stop camping. That's a direct result of telling noobs that camping is wrong over and over again. Some insecure noob might belive that camping is as bad as deconing. Camping isnt against the game, it's just a bad strategy.

I agree 100% with you on the benefits of human campers when you play as alien.

[kozak6]

There's a difference between camping, and legitimate defense.

If the human team is trapped in their base by an army of Tyrants, it's not really camping.

If it's S1 bugs vs S3 hummies, and they haven't attacked bug central once, that's camping.

[FX-Arch]

There's a difference between camping, and legitimate defense.

If the human team is trapped in their base by an army of Tyrants, it's not really camping.

If it's S1 bugs vs S3 hummies, and they haven't attacked bug central once, that's camping.

 
<Distance 1 meter or less >   = Camping
And your right about being trapped in a base but mostly if humans don't feed and don't camp they shouldn't be trapped in their base. And jet + Chaingun could kill tyrants very well if u stay high enough. More experienced humans should rush out when the game begins and begin making kills so that they get quickly to s2/s3 and can own the aliens (NO feeding). New players flee to base at the sight of a dretch or if they get 10 hp damage and stay there for the rest of the game.

[-Q-]

S1 aliens> Humans
S2 Humans >> Aliens
S3 Aliens >=Humans

What do we learn?
Humans should camp at s1 and attack at s2 before aliens are s3.

[St. Anger]

S1 aliens> Humans
S2 Humans >> Aliens
S3 Aliens >=Humans

What do we learn?
Humans should camp at s1 and attack at s2 before aliens are s3.

I hardly see how s2 humans are better then s2 aliens.

[kevlarman]

S1 aliens> Humans
S2 Humans >> Aliens
S3 Aliens >=Humans

What do we learn?
Humans should camp at s1 and attack at s2 before aliens are s3.

I hardly see how s2 humans are better then s2 aliens.

pulse rifle can kill pretty much any alien in the game with a little effort and can just as easily take out most buildings, helmets make humans a lot tougher, and nades can take out many defenses.

[Top_Cat]

S1 aliens> Humans
S2 Humans >> Aliens
S3 Aliens >=Humans

What do we learn?
Humans should camp at s1 and attack at s2 before aliens are s3.

That olny applies if the Alien and hummie teams are of the same skill, and thats rare..but results in a great game!  a skilled s3 hummie team can take out a mediocre s3 alien team, and is fair game against an equally expierenced s3 alien team..

[Kattana]

Stop complaining about campers!

Stop camping and we will, go play a board game if running around shooting aliens is not your thing.

[DarkRogue]

the funniest complaints are the ones who are complaining because the humans aren't feeding them regularly. I mean honestly how many INTELLIGENT players are going to run out of their base to be swarmed by 2.5 billion dretches or the 3 goons waiting around each and every corner?

Valid tactic aside there's a point where humans will stop feeding the assault team standing out of sight just beyond humans doorstep.

"Stop camping and hiding behind your turrets humans!!!"

'Remove yourselves from our doorstep and killing us the moment we leave turret range and we might!'

[Stof]

S1 aliens> Humans
S2 Humans >> Aliens
S3 Aliens >=Humans

What do we learn?
Humans should camp at s1 and attack at s2 before aliens are s3.

That olny applies if the Alien and hummie teams are of the same skill, and thats rare..but results in a great game!  a skilled s3 hummie team can take out a mediocre s3 alien team, and is fair game against an equally expierenced s3 alien team..

As a matter of fact, with good teams S3 Human > S3 Alien

[Stof]

"Stop camping and hiding behind your turrets humans!!!"

'Remove yourselves from our doorstep and killing us the moment we leave turret range and we might!'

The correct answer is :
"Stop camping just outside our turrets and attack cowards !"

Yep, can't stand campers, alien campers that is !

[FX-Arch]

"Stop camping and hiding behind your turrets humans!!!"

'Remove yourselves from our doorstep and killing us the moment we leave turret range and we might!'

The correct answer is :
"Stop camping just outside our turrets and attack cowards !"

Yep, can't stand campers, alien campers that is !

Alien campers? That's even lamer then Human campers  :eek: Haven't seen aliens camp. Sure they feed the humans and such but haven't seen them camp.

[MtS]

Stop camping and we will, go play a board game if running around shooting aliens is not your thing.

If just running around shooting would be my thing I would play Quake or Nexuiz or perhaps Serious Sam. Strategy is an important part of Tremulous.

Edit: Maybe I shouldn't answer to flamebates like that one. :oops:

[MtS]

Alien campers? That's even lamer then Human campers  :eek: Haven't seen aliens camp. Sure they feed the humans and such but haven't seen them camp.

They don't camp in their base. They camp outside of the human base.

[FX-Arch]

Alien campers? That's even lamer then Human campers  :eek: Haven't seen aliens camp. Sure they feed the humans and such but haven't seen them camp.

They don't camp in their base. They camp outside of the human base.

    :oops:  Then I'm a camper sometimes.

[Mwa]

Alien campers? That's even lamer then Human campers  :eek: Haven't seen aliens camp. Sure they feed the humans and such but haven't seen them camp.

They don't camp in their base. They camp outside of the human base.

Indeed, when aliens camp outside the H base, it sucks.
An interesting stratergy to stop H camping is to just camp yourselves. Once you know they're not moving, get everyone to stay in the base and see if you can build that perfect base.
Move the base, repaint the walls, chat about your favorite mode of transport or whatever. Entertain yourselves until the humans get bored.

Just leave them there, tensed for attack.
After about five or so minutes, the entire alien team will have Goons, which will slaughter anyone who enters the base, so you'll get loads of kills without allowing them to progress.
Because seriously, no s1 weapon can protect against 5 goons.
Just don't leave your base and stay to the side of doorways, ready to pounce. (When they start coming.)

Make sure you don't meet in mid air.

While you're waiting for them, you could set up a roter. ;P

[Mwa]

Other recreational camping activities: Dretch towers.
One dretch stands by a wall, the next dretch wallwalks to ontop and then turns wallwalk off. This continues until the entire team is a tower.
This can be done over doorways, if the bottom dretch keeps wallwalk on.
H enters through doorway. Bottom dretch lets go.
 
 
 
 
 
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[Slajer]

"Noobhumans stop camping" comments are mostly whine from players that are trying to get TOP score.
Two waves of s3 aliens will most likelly destroy the whole human base regardless of camping.


It's naturally for humans to be close to their base, because they're so depended of it. I've destroyed many bases when all humans left to hunt the aliens. Turrets and teslas can't defend the base on their own..altho thats what new players think at first. You always need someone in your base to defend it, because once thats gone, the game is over.

Aliens are not dependend on their base that much and can have their spawns anywhere in the map. They usually don't have to defend their base(unless some builder screws up by building all eggs in one place) and can spend more time hunting down humans. Aliens can always rebuild their base and they can keep rebuilding it untill eventually few dretches muster up enough evolve points to destroy the usually unguarded human base.


To make my post simple: humans camp, aliens build eggs.
Both strategies are annoying at some point but they're also part of the game. If you don't like it you can suggest a better option to the devs or just stop playing.