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The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« on: August 25, 2015, 05:59:24 am »
To fulfil the request a fellow Tremulous player made in another thread, I'm posting here the concepts behind the community guidelines of a relatively new open source forum software application called Discourse (founded in 2013 by Jeff Atwood, Robin Ward, and Sam Saffron).  Discourse is the forum system that GrangerHub (a Tremulous community website) chose to use, in hopes to have better tools to help keep the discussions of it's community productive, reasonable, friendly, fun, and nontoxic.  You can observe GrangerHub's forums in action at forum.grangerhub.com. For those interested in seeing the reasoning behind the design of Discourse, I recommend reading this article: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse.

Here are the community guidelines that GrangerHub currently uses for its installation of Discourse:
http://discourse.grangerhub.com/faq
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This is a Civilized Place for Public Discussion

Please treat this discussion forum with the same respect you would a public park. We, too, are a shared community resource — a place to share skills, knowledge and interests through ongoing conversation.

These are not hard and fast rules, merely aids to the human judgment of our community. Use these guidelines to keep this a clean, well-lighted place for civilized public discourse.

Improve the Discussion

Help us make this a great place for discussion by always working to improve the discussion in some way, however small. If you are not sure your post adds to the conversation, think over what you want to say and try again later.

The topics discussed here matter to us, and we want you to act as if they matter to you, too. Be respectful of the topics and the people discussing them, even if you disagree with some of what is being said.

One way to improve the discussion is by discovering ones that are already happening. Please spend some time browsing the topics here before replying or starting your own, and you’ll have a better chance of meeting others who share your interests.

Be Agreeable, Even When You Disagree

You may wish to respond to something by disagreeing with it. That’s fine. But, remember to criticize ideas, not people. Please avoid:

    Name-calling.
    Ad hominem attacks.
    Responding to a post’s tone instead of its actual content.
    Knee-jerk contradiction.

Instead, provide reasoned counter-arguments that improve the conversation.

Your Participation Counts

The conversations we have here set the tone for everyone. Help us influence the future of this community by choosing to engage in discussions that make this forum an interesting place to be — and avoiding those that do not.

Discourse provides tools that enable the community to collectively identify the best (and worst) contributions: favorites, bookmarks, likes, flags, replies, edits, and so forth. Use these tools to improve your own experience, and everyone else’s, too.

Let’s try to leave our park better than we found it.

If You See a Problem, Flag It

Moderators have special authority; they are responsible for this forum. But so are you. With your help, moderators can be community facilitators, not just janitors or police.

When you see bad behavior, don’t reply. It encourages the bad behavior by acknowledging it, consumes your energy, and wastes everyone’s time. Just flag it. If enough flags accrue, action will be taken, either automatically or by moderator intervention.

In order to maintain our community, moderators reserve the right to remove any content and any user account for any reason at any time. Moderators do not preview new posts in any way; the moderators and site operators take no responsibility for any content posted by the community.

Always Be Civil

Nothing sabotages a healthy conversation like rudeness:

    Be civil. Don’t post anything that a reasonable person would consider offensive, abusive, or hate speech.
    Keep it clean. Don’t post anything obscene or sexually explicit.
    Respect each other. Don’t harass or grief anyone, impersonate people, or expose their private information.
    Respect our forum. Don’t post spam or otherwise vandalize the forum.

These are not concrete terms with precise definitions — avoid even the appearance of any of these things. If you’re unsure, ask yourself how you would feel if your post was featured on the front page of the New York Times.

This is a public forum, and search engines index these discussions. Keep the language, links, and images safe for family and friends.

Keep It Tidy

Make the effort to put things in the right place, so that we can spend more time discussing and less cleaning up. So:

    Don’t start a topic in the wrong category.
    Don’t cross-post the same thing in multiple topics.
    Don’t post no-content replies.
    Don’t divert a topic by changing it midstream.
    Don’t sign your posts — every post has your profile information attached to it.

Rather than posting “+1” or “Agreed”, use the Like button. Rather than taking an existing topic in a radically different direction, use Reply as a Linked Topic.

Post Only Your Own Stuff

You may not post anything digital that belongs to someone else without permission. You may not post descriptions of, links to, or methods for stealing someone’s intellectual property (software, video, audio, images), or for breaking any other law.

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This site is operated by your friendly local staff and you, the community. If you have any further questions about how things should work here, open a new topic in the meta category and let's discuss! If there's a critical or urgent issue that can't be handled by a meta topic or flag, contact us via the staff page.

Terms of Service

Yes, legalese is boring, but we must protect ourselves – and by extension, you and your data – against unfriendly folks. We have a Terms of Service describing your (and our) behavior and rights related to content, privacy, and laws. To use this service, you must agree to abide by our TOS.

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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2015, 06:00:36 am »
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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2015, 09:38:55 pm »
Some examples of other websites that utilize Discourse:


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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2015, 10:15:01 pm »
Please teach me more about civilized discussion, you creepy condescending nobody.

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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2015, 12:57:29 am »
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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2015, 02:22:22 am »
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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2015, 06:00:57 am »
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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2015, 06:15:52 am »
Please teach me more about civilized discussion, you creepy condescending nobody.

That is an excellent example of a post that would violate this part of the community guidelines:

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Be Agreeable, Even When You Disagree

You may wish to respond to something by disagreeing with it. That’s fine. But, remember to criticize ideas, not people. Please avoid:

    Name-calling.
    Ad hominem attacks.
    Responding to a post’s tone instead of its actual content.
    Knee-jerk contradiction.

Instead, provide reasoned counter-arguments that improve the conversation.


As well as some of this part:

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Always Be Civil

Nothing sabotages a healthy conversation like rudeness:

    Be civil. Don’t post anything that a reasonable person would consider offensive, abusive, or hate speech.
    Keep it clean. Don’t post anything obscene or sexually explicit.
    Respect each other. Don’t harass or grief anyone, impersonate people, or expose their private information.
    Respect our forum. Don’t post spam or otherwise vandalize the forum.

These are not concrete terms with precise definitions — avoid even the appearance of any of these things. If you’re unsure, ask yourself how you would feel if your post was featured on the front page of the New York Times.

This is a public forum, and search engines index these discussions. Keep the language, links, and images safe for family and friends.
Had this been actual Discourse forums, the course of action for me to take would be to flag the post with poor behaviour, as this part suggests:
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If You See a Problem, Flag It

Moderators have special authority; they are responsible for this forum. But so are you. With your help, moderators can be community facilitators, not just janitors or police.

When you see bad behavior, don’t reply. It encourages the bad behavior by acknowledging it, consumes your energy, and wastes everyone’s time. Just flag it. If enough flags accrue, action will be taken, either automatically or by moderator intervention.

In order to maintain our community, moderators reserve the right to remove any content and any user account for any reason at any time. Moderators do not preview new posts in any way; the moderators and site operators take no responsibility for any content posted by the community.

It would be interesting to see sound counter arguments attacking the principals of these community guidelines, rather than more generous examples of hypothetical violations of such community guidelines.

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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2015, 07:43:26 am »
But this is Tremulous.net, home of the best forum trolls ever  :police: :police: :police: ban khalsa

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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2015, 08:27:15 am »
But this is Tremulous.net, home of the best forum trolls ever  :police: :police: :police: ban khalsa
Very good point.  The Tremulous.net forums (and some other Tremulous related forums), did provide the creators (myself included) of GrangerHub with inspiration to attempt something different.  We shall see how GrangerHub's experiment works out.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2015, 08:29:05 am by dGr8LookinSparky »

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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2015, 03:04:13 pm »
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Be civil. Don’t post anything that a reasonable person would consider offensive, abusive, or hate speech.



As a reasonable person, I find language like this offensive. That word is also classed as hate speech.

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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2015, 03:21:30 pm »
As a reasonable person, I find language like this offensive. That word is also classed as hate speech.

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Then flag it.

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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2015, 06:46:07 pm »
But this is Tremulous.net, home of the best forum trolls ever  :police: :police: :police: ban khalsa
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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2015, 07:53:14 am »
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Be civil. Don’t post anything that a reasonable person would consider offensive, abusive, or hate speech.



As a reasonable person, I find language like this offensive. That word is also classed as hate speech.

as a very reasonable person (does that exclude me from "reasonable"), i don't find this offensive at all, neither hate speech. eg., see NIGGER definition 3.

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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2015, 02:46:43 pm »
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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2015, 03:31:02 pm »
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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2015, 06:52:32 pm »
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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2015, 06:28:01 pm »
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Re: The Universal Rules of Civilized Discourse
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2020, 09:58:19 am »
Be civil. Don't post anything that a reasonable person would consider offensive, abusive, or hate speech. Keep it clean. Don't post anything obscene or sexually explicit Kroger Feedback
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