Things that just piss you off

[kevlarman]

I reaaly hate people who whinge to the whole team to build X building when its SUDDEN DEATH and then refuse to listen to everyone tell them that you can't, especially if they whinge about how we lost because we didn't build.

that's almost as bad as people who yell at the whole team that you can't build an armory when it's sudden death, when in fact you can, because you're playing on tjw's server.

[kozak6]

Stacked teams piss me off.

[xyblor]

"prifle is better then shotgun"

Prifle is bind code

Yes, but in that example there is a problem worse THAN "prifle".

[Mopatop]

what pisses me off the most is when u get kicked for deconnin when u r just movin something or deleting somethink which is about to explode.

[Basilisco]

Disclaimer: First, sorry for the long rant, i just had to get it off my system. Second, i won't mention the name of the guy, there's no reason why.
That's all, keep reading :]

I normally don't get mad at newbies, in fact i pretty much laugh at their noobness most of the time, but man.. oh man, what happened today was unreal.

I get in a game (Uncreation), 1 v 2 and join the human team to make things fair. I start building a nice base with defenses tighly organized around the reactor for better protection. Then this guy just start moving the stuff around in some random places, but it's ok.. i can live with that; aliens were only stage 2 at the time anyway.

I kept playing, killed some dretches, a basilisk, got stage 2 and bought a jetpack, armor, lasgun, and ran off to the alien base to kill the Overmind (by flying over the alien base, they didn't have defenses anywhere near the door but near the om :|). And what happens when I'm running away from the marauder and  jump to off the cliff to take him off me and fly? I FALL, and die! because by some weird reason the jetpack didn't work! hhhm, what happened i asked to myself? the dude decided to move the reactor 5 yards away from where it was! gah!

After the incident, i told him what had happened, and that he made me lose precious credits + a chance for us to win the game. I was tempted to leave the game, but i knew that they (an unnamedplayer had joined already) couldn't win the game by themselves.

So i started racking up some credits and bought the same stuff than before (priffle this time), because the alien base was STILL default. I took off,  ready to kill them with the same ol' strategy, i managed to get to their base alive, turned on the jetpack, i was free! we had that game in our (my..) hands! ooh, i could already taste the victory [Insert Evil Laugh Here]. THEN GUESS WHAT!? he decons the f*****g reactor again!! GAH! and of course, you wouldn't expect me to live after that fall *cries*.

The whole thing was so frustrating and bizarre that i'm trying to forget it :|
At least i have the hope he understood what he did wrong at the end.. i mean, i did hear "sorry" but he didn't leave the base the whole game so who knows if he knew jetpacks don't work without a reactor

By far the worst experience i've had since i started to play Tremulous

[rasz_pl]

Disclaimer: First, sorry for the long rant, i just had to get it off my system. Second, i won't mention the name of the guy, there's no reason why.
That's all, keep reading :]

I normally don't get mad at newbies, in fact i pretty much laugh at their noobness most of the time, but man.. oh man, what happened today was unreal.

I get in a game (Uncreation), 1 v 2 and join the human team to make things fair. I start building a nice base with defenses tighly organized around the reactor for better protection. Then this guy just start moving the stuff around in some random places, but it's ok.. i can live with that; aliens were only stage 2 at the time anyway.

I kept playing, killed some dretches, a basilisk, got stage 2 and bought a jetpack, armor, lasgun, and ran off to the alien base to kill the Overmind (by flying over the alien base, they didn't have defenses anywhere near the door but near the om :|). And what happens when I'm running away from the marauder and  jump to off the cliff to take him off me and fly? I FALL, and die! because by some weird reason the jetpack didn't work! hhhm, what happened i asked to myself? the dude decided to move the reactor 5 yards away from where it was! gah!

After the incident, i told him what had happened, and that he made me lose precious credits + a chance for us to win the game. I was tempted to leave the game, but i knew that they (an unnamedplayer had joined already) couldn't win the game by themselves.

So i started racking up some credits and bought the same stuff than before (priffle this time), because the alien base was STILL default. I took off,  ready to kill them with the same ol' strategy, i managed to get to their base alive, turned on the jetpack, i was free! we had that game in our (my..) hands! ooh, i could already taste the victory [Insert Evil Laugh Here]. THEN GUESS WHAT!? he decons the f*****g reactor again!! GAH! and of course, you wouldn't expect me to live after that fall *cries*.

The whole thing was so frustrating and bizarre that i'm trying to forget it :|
At least i have the hope he understood what he did wrong at the end.. i mean, i did hear "sorry" but he didn't leave the base the whole game so who knows if he knew jetpacks don't work without a reactor

By far the worst experience i've had since i started to play Tremulous

next time !denybuild

[kevlarman]

rant removed to save space

next time !denybuild

i know of only 2 servers that have this patch, so it's not really an option.

[1337 1]

I reaaly hate people who whinge to the whole team to build X building when its SUDDEN DEATH and then refuse to listen to everyone tell them that you can't, especially if they whinge about how we lost because we didn't build.

that's almost as bad as people who yell at the whole team that you can't build an armory when it's sudden death, when in fact you can, because you're playing on tjw's server.

The server I was on wasnt using tjw's server.  If we could build, I think we would have.

[benplaut]

so...
today i was playing at atcszone.  Humans were s3, aliens were s1 (we were exploring the map, not really paying attention to playing), and we kept trying to vote restart the map, so we could concentrate on playing.

Of course, nobody would restart...

[1337 1]

so...
today i was playing at atcszone.  Humans were s3, aliens were s1 (we were exploring the map, not really paying attention to playing), and we kept trying to vote restart the map, so we could concentrate on playing.

Of course, nobody would restart...

Yeah, but that's understandable.  If you want to explore the map/s, set up a private server so that you can restart whenever you want.

[benplaut]

so...
today i was playing at atcszone.  Humans were s3, aliens were s1 (we were exploring the map, not really paying attention to playing), and we kept trying to vote restart the map, so we could concentrate on playing.

Of course, nobody would restart...

Yeah, but that's understandable.  If you want to explore the map/s, set up a private server so that you can restart whenever you want.

of course... the problem was that everyone was just fealing it out, then a few humans came in and started playing... we wanted to restart to give us all a fair game

[Ceaser342]

Disclaimer: First, sorry for the long rant, i just had to get it off my system. Second, i won't mention the name of the guy, there's no reason why.
That's all, keep reading :]

I normally don't get mad at newbies, in fact i pretty much laugh at their noobness most of the time, but man.. oh man, what happened today was unreal.

I get in a game (Uncreation), 1 v 2 and join the human team to make things fair. I start building a nice base with defenses tighly organized around the reactor for better protection. Then this guy just start moving the stuff around in some random places, but it's ok.. i can live with that; aliens were only stage 2 at the time anyway.

I kept playing, killed some dretches, a basilisk, got stage 2 and bought a jetpack, armor, lasgun, and ran off to the alien base to kill the Overmind (by flying over the alien base, they didn't have defenses anywhere near the door but near the om :|). And what happens when I'm running away from the marauder and  jump to off the cliff to take him off me and fly? I FALL, and die! because by some weird reason the jetpack didn't work! hhhm, what happened i asked to myself? the dude decided to move the reactor 5 yards away from where it was! gah!

After the incident, i told him what had happened, and that he made me lose precious credits + a chance for us to win the game. I was tempted to leave the game, but i knew that they (an unnamedplayer had joined already) couldn't win the game by themselves.

So i started racking up some credits and bought the same stuff than before (priffle this time), because the alien base was STILL default. I took off,  ready to kill them with the same ol' strategy, i managed to get to their base alive, turned on the jetpack, i was free! we had that game in our (my..) hands! ooh, i could already taste the victory [Insert Evil Laugh Here]. THEN GUESS WHAT!? he decons the f*****g reactor again!! GAH! and of course, you wouldn't expect me to live after that fall *cries*.

The whole thing was so frustrating and bizarre that i'm trying to forget it :|
At least i have the hope he understood what he did wrong at the end.. i mean, i did hear "sorry" but he didn't leave the base the whole game so who knows if he knew jetpacks don't work without a reactor

By far the worst experience i've had since i started to play Tremulous

next time !denybuild

I bet he was doing it on purpose just to piss you off.

[Aninhumer]

so...
today i was playing at atcszone.  Humans were s3, aliens were s1 (we were exploring the map, not really paying attention to playing), and we kept trying to vote restart the map, so we could concentrate on playing.

Of course, nobody would restart...

What is there to explore in ATCS anyhow?

[kozak6]

Not ATSC, but a map based on it.

[holyknight]

it's ATCS alpha made by some guy
its called "atcszalpha.pk3" and this guy tried to make ATCS better by putting extra details and stuff...

anyways, how was the map? Is it good?

[rasz_pl]

it's ATCS alpha made by some guy
its called "atcszalpha.pk3" and this guy tried to make ATCS better by putting extra details and stuff...

anyways, how was the map? Is it good?

no no no
At first glance its atcs redone by some AMERICAN, FAT SUV driving PIG with small penis.
its as huge and uselessly ENORMOUSLY BIG as the map called DARK (or dark_someshit, dont remember).
Everything got ridiculously bigger, corridors that were able to pack 2 tyrrs side by side now can pack 16 tyrrs ... or 38 SUVs, 2 yachts, 6 plasma TVs and years worth of my cat shit. It can fit whole 2nd Tank Battalion. One has to wonder what exactly author was trying to compensate for?

And now the weird part, Meta-Lion is French !?!??!?! But HOW/WHY?? We all know that :

[yetshi]

setting up that perfect MD shot on a retreating goon that just screamed and right when you fire it a nub steps in the way and takes it in the back of his head.

blaster nubs going out of base. (wtf is up with that?)

crappy builders.

team that doesn't defend base then blames the builders when it finally falls.

feeders.

teams that don't appreciate their builders (without then you would never make it past S2.)

turret, not turrnet.  how the hell do you get an n in there, its not even on the same row as the rest of the letters.

[Stof]

blaster nubs going out of base. (wtf is up with that?)

Sometimes, aliens are so bad that I have to do something to give them a chance!

teams that don't appreciate their builders (without then you would never make it past S2.)

Never is such a strong word. I've had games were if the builders hadn't been builders and attacked as I asked them to do, humans would have won BEFORE stage 2. And more often, stage 2 is all that is needed to win, even with a crappy human base ( crappy it may be but when the whole alien team is still strugling to evolve past dretch it is better to attack )

[yetshi]

not your teams stage 2, the opposing teams stage 2.

with a crappy base the second aliens hit S2 humans are pretty much boned

same goes for aliens.

[Stof]

not your teams stage 2, the opposing teams stage 2.

with a crappy base the second aliens hit S2 humans are pretty much boned

same goes for aliens.

I like to think that the Adv Mara isn't that much stronger at killing a crappy human base than a Mara or a Goon. And if the alien player has plenty of points, Mara is probably a better choice since you can make more suicide runs for the same number of evo points

So, my word on that point : alien stage 2 is in no way some magic change which will sudenly allow the aliens to wipeout the human base as if they weren't here. As it is now, alien stage 2 is much more of a defensive evolution than offensive. If the base would have fallen shortly after aliens reach stage 2, it could have fallen much ealier all the same.

[Glunnator]

Ok, Ok, ALRIGHT! i'll post something on-topic here, allright!

People who call me and/or other by their clans instead of by their names.

Example:"Hey Cebt how's it goin?"
Or: "Hi Flame!"
And even: "Yo, PL!"

*Being annoyud*

[rasz_pl]

I like to think that the Adv Mara isn't that much stronger at killing a crappy human base than a Mara or a Goon. And if the alien player has plenty of points, Mara is probably a better choice since you can make more suicide runs for the same number of evo points

So, my word on that point : alien stage 2 is in no way some magic change which will sudenly allow the aliens to wipeout the human base as if they weren't here. As it is now, alien stage 2 is much more of a defensive evolution than offensive. If the base would have fallen shortly after aliens reach stage 2, it could have fallen much ealier all the same.

one word - ZAP

[Stof]

Well, you'd have to explain me why and when you'd use the zap instead of the regular attacks to kill some human base

[Glunnator]

Well, you'd have to explain me why and when you'd use the zap instead of the regular attacks to kill some human base

Stof, i do agree with your above posted reasons and all, i really do. but zap is sometimes very handy if hummies think grouping in a big compact group is gonna save them.

Example:

       
       
       

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And after that,if the    is good enough,

       

Of course this does not count for non-compact groups or groups with 2 or more  Pro's in them  

Another example, you ask? OK!

           
= ZAP, hide, ZAP, hide, ZAP, hide, then five explosions in a row  

EDIT:  

... to kill some human base

What? oh, oops...  :oops:

[Stof]

Don't forget that when the mara zap chains, the damage is divided between the targets. In the end, you don't do more damage than against a single target, and you take longer to reduce the humans attack power ( a human with 1 hp does as much damage as a human with 100 hp )

Of course, if I'm wrong and the damage isn't divided, then I admit the zap is indeed a very fine weapon against groups of humans or of buildings.

[rasz_pl]

Well, you'd have to explain me why and when you'd use the zap instead of the regular attacks to kill some human base

turret + armory + fresh spawned human rifle + turret + fresh spawned human ckit

190 280 100 190 100

turret 40hp/sec , 190hp
rifle 55hp/sec, 100hp

mara 80hp/sec , 150hp
adv mara 97hp/sec , 175hp

lets say the human is good, you get shot by him half the time. You are pro h4xor so you always stay between farthest turret and stupid ckit/armory/rifle/other turret + you avoid second turret fire (half of it). So its ~50hp/sec damage to you while you zap one turret, after 2 sec dies naked rifle, after 3 seconds second hummie and the turret is gone, you retreat to heal. Now with clawing you will die before you kill the first turret.

Make that 2 adv maras and even additional rifle is toasted, or should I say zapped ?

[Stof]

I find your results confusing. First because the zap damage is supposed to be split evenly between the targets. Second because even with a single target, I can barely reach the killing efficiency you get against a single turret

So, here are the expected damages per full zap against 1, 2 and 3 targets :

- 80.0
- 60.0, 20.0
- 44.44, 26.66, 8.88

It should takes 1.75 seconds to kill a naked human with the adv mara zap. 1.75 seconds counted from the start of the first zap up to when the human dies. And 3.375 seconds to kill a single turret.

All this is was done without taking into account the zap damage bug of course.

What I find interesting though, is that the zap attack does more damage to the secondary target when there are three targets than when there are only two

So, in your situation, we have 1 adv mara attacking 1 turret and 2 humans.

Damage done after each zap :
- 44, 27, 9
- 88, 54, 18
- 132, 81, 27
- 176, 108, 36 ( here, damage commputed is slightly off because of the early human death, but not by much )

So, it takes us nearly 4 full zaps to kill 1 human in a three way chain zap 4 full zaps at 1.5 seconds between zaps does sum up to 5.5 seconds. Granted at that point, you nearly killed the turret too.

Compare that to the 2 seconds it takes for an Adv Marauder to kill a single turret with the normal attack, followed by 1.5 more seconds of torso hits against an unprotected human. Total needed to kill all humans : 2+1.5+1.5 = 5 seconds

( Edit : my bad, I used the Mara stats and not the Adv Mara stats . The times for Adv Mara are 1.6s for a turret and 1.2 seconds then for each human )

And did I mention that your computed dps you take during the operation doesn't even come close to the 50 hp/s you talk about ?

[rasz_pl]

I find your results confusing. First because the zap damage is supposed to be split evenly between the targets. Second because even with a single target, I can barely reach the killing efficiency you get against a single turret

So, here are the expected damages per full zap against 1, 2 and 3 targets :

- 80.0
- 60.0, 20.0
- 44.44, 26.66, 8.88

it doesnt decrease, its a zap, not a lemonade first target always gets full 80.

What I find interesting though, is that the zap attack does more damage to the secondary target when there are three targets than when there are only two

sure you do, because it doesnt When you are struck by lightning holding to something WONT make the charge smaller, you will only pass less of it to that object = zap chain with decreasing damage over distance.

The times for Adv Mara are 1.6s for a turret

turret 190hp, adv mara claw dps 100, where is that 1.6sec?

[1337 1]

so...
today i was playing at atcszone.  Humans were s3, aliens were s1 (we were exploring the map, not really paying attention to playing), and we kept trying to vote restart the map, so we could concentrate on playing.

Of course, nobody would restart...

Yeah, but that's understandable.  If you want to explore the map/s, set up a private server so that you can restart whenever you want.

of course... the problem was that everyone was just fealing it out, then a few humans came in and started playing... we wanted to restart to give us all a fair game

Okay, I know you justy wanted a fair game, which is all good and well, and while it may have been fair for them to restart, they didn't really have to.  I agree that they SHOULD have, but I can understand why they didn't.

[Stof]

it doesnt decrease, its a zap, not a lemonade first target always gets full 80.

Unfortunately for you, I've taken those numbers from the source code itself

The times for Adv Mara are 1.6s for a turret

turret 190hp, adv mara claw dps 100, where is that 1.6sec?

Well, there is some magic in there I admit. But talking in DPS to decide the time it takes to kill a turret doesn't work too well because damage is done by pulses at discreet time. You cannot do a half swipe at a turret do you?

So, the Adv Mara does 40 damage pe swipe, and a turret has 190 health. So it takes 5 swipes for a total of 200 damage to kill a turret. Adv Mara attack delay is of 0.4 seconds between swipes. Let's consider an Adv Mara that is already in attack range of a turret :
- attack 1
- 0.4 s pause
- attack 2
- 0.4 s pause
- attack 3
- 0.4 s pause
- attack 4
- 0.4 s pause
- attack 5
=> total time until turret dies and stops damaging the player : 1.6 second.