Things that just piss you off

[rasz_pl]

it doesnt decrease, its a zap, not a lemonade first target always gets full 80.

Unfortunately for you, I've taken those numbers from the source code itself .

just tested it :/ another case of Mickey mouse physics just like lasgun knockback

btw on tjv qvms its 59 damage per zap to the first turret out of 3
3 zaps to 3 turrrets left the first one with 13 hp

[Stof]

Yeah, I didn't check any kind of rounding issues that could happen. Rounding issues were what caused a 80 damage attack to deal 100 damage to an unarmored human

If that function is to be fixed and deal damage as the original writer intended it, the mara zap will be even weaker against multiple targets.

[TyrranzzX]

Heh, not only would I ban you, I'd insult you as I did it.

I've seen failing miserably teams pull it together and nail a dominating opponent. You haven't though. That's because you are a griefer who plays to win, not to figure out how to win. Good games are the impossibly hard ones. You know, the ones you grief or just quit on.

Heh, you're what "piss me off" about this game.

Statistically, that is about 1/1000 games.  Would you find the 1 victory satisfying after playing through 999 frusterating games or would you pull your hair out first and stop playing before then?

I play for a good time; to me, a good time means it has give and take and the teams are relitivally equal.  It means you duel a goon for 3 minutes until you're out of ammo and he's running from your blaster due to low health or you fight until the tyrant is dead and you've got 1HP.  It means being creative in how you move, think, and build.  

Overall, it means you aren't playing with a bunch of team-stacking, game breaking skillfull assholes who would rather spend the entire time inflating their ego's by racking up killcounts than playing for fun.

Banning a guy becuase he is to good? You know how stupid snd unfair that is? He is better then you deal with it! Good players join the server I play on all the time. Do I get pouty and leave? No I try my best. The only way to get better is to play play play. Who better to teach and practice against then a pro? As for the deconning stuff thats puts you on a lower lvl then the noob. Mad over oe guy so you screw over the other team? I saw that I'd tell an admin to ban you.

Take this scenario; it's a 10v10 game, everyone in that game is having a good time.  1 fantastically good guy joins and begins killing everyone on the other team and ends the game within 5 minutes singlehandedly.  The entirety of the other team leaves because they don't want to play there and due to the boardom of the previous game, half of the winning side leaves, and he leaves.  The server is now 3v3 10 minutes later, and a new games starts.    Ask yourself what has just happened.

I'v done it before as a server admin in other games and people were happy for it; it's one thing if you do it now and again, another if you do it all the time.  I really don't care if you're cheating or not so long as the degree of cheating isn't to the point of gamebreaking.  If it weren't for bugs, some games wouldn't even be how they are today.  If you are ruining the fun for the other players in the game, kiss your ass goodbye.

[Undeference]

I find a challenge more fun than a stand off. If there's a really good player, I'm more than happy to play against them because it's challenging, whereas a stand off where nothing anyone does really matters because all the players are even is rather boring. Play with newbies all you want and you'll stay a newbie forever. Challenge yourself and you'll get better and have fun at the same time.

According to you, if there is a good player winning, the other team is not having fun because they are not interested in a challenge. If they just want to win, they can race a paraplegic. Otherwise, they should play and enjoy the game. If they can't do that when they aren't winning, online gaming is not for them.

[rasz_pl]

Banning a guy becuase he is to good? You know how stupid snd unfair that is? He is better then you deal with it! Good players join the server I play on all the time. Do I get pouty and leave? No I try my best. The only way to get better is to play play play. Who better to teach and practice against then a pro? As for the deconning stuff thats puts you on a lower lvl then the noob. Mad over oe guy so you screw over the other team? I saw that I'd tell an admin to ban you.

Take this scenario; it's a 10v10 game, everyone in that game is having a good time.  1 fantastically good guy joins and begins killing everyone on the other team and ends the game within 5 minutes singlehandedly.  The entirety of the other team leaves because they don't want to play there and due to the boardom of the previous game, half of the winning side leaves, and he leaves.  The server is now 3v3 10 minutes later, and a new games starts.    Ask yourself what has just happened.

I'v done it before as a server admin in other games and people were happy for it; it's one thing if you do it now and again, another if you do it all the time.  I really don't care if you're cheating or not

sounds like a retard to me

According to you, if there is a good player winning, the other team is not having fun because they are not interested in a challenge.

yep, retarded American
Lowest common denominator in action, few retards are to stupid to do something? Hey, lets lower to their level!

[1337 1]

Banning a guy becuase he is to good? You know how stupid snd unfair that is? He is better then you deal with it! Good players join the server I play on all the time. Do I get pouty and leave? No I try my best. The only way to get better is to play play play. Who better to teach and practice against then a pro? As for the deconning stuff thats puts you on a lower lvl then the noob. Mad over oe guy so you screw over the other team? I saw that I'd tell an admin to ban you.

Take this scenario; it's a 10v10 game, everyone in that game is having a good time.  1 fantastically good guy joins and begins killing everyone on the other team and ends the game within 5 minutes singlehandedly.  The entirety of the other team leaves because they don't want to play there and due to the boardom of the previous game, half of the winning side leaves, and he leaves.  The server is now 3v3 10 minutes later, and a new games starts.    Ask yourself what has just happened.

I'v done it before as a server admin in other games and people were happy for it; it's one thing if you do it now and again, another if you do it all the time.  I really don't care if you're cheating or not

According to you, if there is a good player winning, the other team is not having fun because they are not interested in a challenge.

In the end, it all comes down to a fine balance.  Its fine if you are a good player, but when you keep on going "pwnt" etc after every kill, and your the leader of the entire map by 50 kills, of course you're going to get kicked/banned.  But if you do it modestly, and don't kill them too much, you shouldn't have to worry.  In the end, its just a game,so there's no need to take it seriously and focus solely on killing every single person on the map 15 times.  Just play for the fun and social interaction.

[TyrranzzX]

sounds like a retard to me

According to you, if there is a good player winning, the other team is not having fun because they are not interested in a challenge.

yep, retarded American
Lowest common denominator in action, few retards are to stupid to do something? Hey, lets lower to their level!

Sounds like Rasz_PL is offended by something and hasn't the words, vocabulary, grammar, or intelligence to express his opinion.

I find a challenge more fun than a stand off. If there's a really good player, I'm more than happy to play against them because it's challenging, whereas a stand off where nothing anyone does really matters because all the players are even is rather boring. Play with newbies all you want and you'll stay a newbie forever. Challenge yourself and you'll get better and have fun at the same time.

According to you, if there is a good player winning, the other team is not having fun because they are not interested in a challenge. If they just want to win, they can race a paraplegic. Otherwise, they should play and enjoy the game. If they can't do that when they aren't winning, online gaming is not for them.

Think for one second here.

You're playing a game that's about killing, where the goal is killing, and you're saying killing isn't supposed to be fun.  You're saying the challenge of getting a kill is fun, but the doing of the killing itself isn't fun.  Then you juxtapose that gamers who play to accomplish the goal of the game shouldn't play because the games weren't made for them.

Do you realize your arguement all the sense of a monkey washing a pig in a kitchen sink?

[Glunnator]

Do you realize your arguement has all the sense of a monkey washing a pig in a kitchen sink?

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[tuple]

Statistically, that is about 1/1000 games.  Would you find the 1 victory satisfying after playing through 999 frusterating games or would you pull your hair out first and stop playing before then?

Uh, you have measurements?  I've seen it one hell of a lot more often than that.  But then, I try to play every game to the end, for better or for worse.  Do you?

Most of the time I straightout leave

OOPS!  I guess you DON'T stay till the end!  What do you think are the chances that your ESTIMATE is BULL!

Overall, it means you aren't playing with a bunch of team-stacking, game breaking skillfull assholes who would rather spend the entire time inflating their ego's by racking up killcounts than playing for fun.

You apparently don't count yourself in this category, though you admit to quiting games when it's your ass being kicked(I bet not when you're winning though!), or ruining them when you're unhappy that teamates won't listen to you.

[Taiyo.uk]

Things that piss me orf:

Deconners/tkers/griefers in general
Noob builders who refuse to listen to their team when they're trying to give advise
People who swap sides or leave because their team is loosing
People who vote-restart a map just because their team is loosing
People who vote-kick a player just because they're good
Persistent votespamming
Sheep voting (i.e. confusion between the pink-grey mass in the head and the brown mass in the other end)
Deliberate bugsploitation in "serious" games (e.g. hovels in doorways, building beneath the tunnels in tremor, etc).

Mild irritations:

Builders who insist that all teslas creates a completely inpenetrable base
Builders who insist that a defenceless eggfarm is the key to eternal survival
Builders who insist that trappers are l33t on the floor
Builders who insist that acid tubes are l33t on really high ceilings
Builders who make a good base but put the defcom in the middle of nowhere
This one builder who (in three consecutive games) deconned the defcom to make another turret then shouted "OMFG! WHY THE TESLAS AREN'T WORKING!!"
People who insist that killcount is everything.
nubcakes who play for five minutes then spam the forums with tons of gobshite about how unbalanced the game is.

[Undeference]

You're playing a game that's about killing, where the goal is killing, and you're saying killing isn't supposed to be fun.  You're saying the challenge of getting a kill is fun, but the doing of the killing itself isn't fun.  Then you juxtapose that gamers who play to accomplish the goal of the game shouldn't play because the games weren't made for them.

Do you realize your arguement all the sense of a monkey washing a pig in a kitchen sink?

The goal of the game is to win and that isn't accomplished by getting kills but by destroying your opponent's base and eliminating all remaining players. That is the goal of the game. The purpose of the game is to have fun.

If you really care about winning or losing that much, you have a very fragile ego.

This one builder who (in three consecutive games) deconned the defcom to make another turret then shouted "OMFG! WHY THE TESLAS AREN'T WORKING!!"

Clever, doing something malicious and conspicuously informing the other team.

[Taiyo.uk]

This one builder who (in three consecutive games) deconned the defcom to make another turret then shouted "OMFG! WHY THE TESLAS AREN'T WORKING!!"

Clever, doing something malicious and conspicuously informing the other team.

Naah, he was just a n00b - he shouted that in teamchat, and listened the third time around when we told him that the actually need a to work...

[holyknight]

Statistically, that is about 1/1000 games.  Would you find the 1 victory satisfying after playing through 999 frusterating games or would you pull your hair out first and stop playing before then?

Most of the time I straightout leave

Sometimes, when my side is losing at first, we try our best, then we get better, because the other team underestimated us, then we win

[TyrranzzX]

Statistically, that is about 1/1000 games.  Would you find the 1 victory satisfying after playing through 999 frusterating games or would you pull your hair out first and stop playing before then?

Uh, you have measurements?  I've seen it one hell of a lot more often than that.  But then, I try to play every game to the end, for better or for worse.  Do you?

http://www.tremulous.net/balance

Data:

In games ending as a S3 team against a S3 team, a total of 32253 games (26% of the total number of games played), Aliens won 25852 games (80%) and the humans won 6401 games (20%).

In games ending as a S3 team against a S2 team, a total of 27541 games, (22% of the total number of games played), the aliens won 15360 games (55%), and the humans won 12181 games (44%).

In games ending as a S3 team against a S1 team, a total of 20767 games (16% of the total number of games played), (55%) 11305 were won by the aliens, and 9462 (45%) were won by the humans.

In games ending as a S2 team against a S1 team, a total of 19386 games (15% of the total games played), the aliens won 12342 games (63%), and the humans won 7044 games (37%).

In games ending as a S1 team against a S1 team, a total of 17652 games (14% of the total number of games played), the aliens won 12431 games (70%) and the humans won 5221 games (30%).

In games ending as a S2 team against a S2 team, a total of 6164 games (4% of the total numbers of games played), the aliens won 3408 games (56%), and the humans won 2756 games (44%).

Additionally, if you view these images:

http://tremulous.net/balance/Overall_AS3vsHS1.png
http://tremulous.net/balance/Overall_AS1vsHS3.png
http://tremulous.net/balance/Overall_AS1vsHS2.png
http://tremulous.net/balance/Overall_AS2vsHS1.png

Conclusion:

For a S1 team to win against a S2 or S3 team, it's about 2-3% out of all the games played that ended in that situation for the S1 team to win.  Additionally, those victories happen within the game ending as a S2 or S3 team against a S1 team between 7 and 8% of the time, which means 8% of 4% comes out to .32% overall average for a S1 team to win against a S2 team, and about .16% overall average for a S1 team to win against a S3 team, when the game ends that way.  So I'm off; it's closer to a 1/200 to 1/400 chance than 1/1000.

If you're viewpoint is that the human team somehow gains stages and then kicks the alien teams butt, there's a 10.4% chance the game will end that way overall (20% of 26%) or about 1/10 games, at stage 3 on stage 3.  Looking at equal stages, the game will end in human victory about 4.2% of the time at stage 1 against a stage 1 team and 1.76% of the time with a S2 against a S2 team; so it's a 1/20 chance and a 1/75 chance.  If you're asking what's the chance of the human team getting to stage 3 in the first place, they've reached S3 29122 times ( meaning 29122 games ended with the humans in stage 3) or about 21% of the time and then from there it depends on what situation they are in to win.  85% of the time the game ends as a S3 V S3 for humans, and out of that, the humans win 20% of the time.  and of that remaining 15% of the time the humans win about 13%; so around 45% of 45%, of all games played, or about 20% probability the human team will win at stage 3 against an alien team when everything is factored in.

I could go on about other situations and the probability of progression of stages and killcount estemates, at length, but it depends on how you define an out-of-nowhere victory.  I define it as when a loss is all but tactically assured and something completly random happens to stop that.

Here's a question Tuple.  In what situation do you leave a game that's happening, aside from needing to stop playing for some reason, and why?  What's your threshold for frusteration?

[Diggs]

Playing on a 50 person server (SST with 40-50 players), Friendly Fire is on, small map (ATCS), S3 both sides and the admin tells me he is going to kick me because I accidently TK'd(?) a couple of times in a firefight in the other team's base.   What a brainiac.  Must have been all of 10 years old.  What did he expect with that kind of game/mess?  All I could do was laugh at the stupidity of it all and save him the trouble by leaving to find a decent server.

BTW-  Since the majority of the Trem players seem to be little more than kids, is there a server that features mature players with good chat?  I enjoy good chat in a game and the nastiness that comes out of many of the mouths  of players continues to show how young and dumb they are.  I run a server now and then to play with old friends from clans of other games and am always disappointed when I get back in to general play servers.

Diggs

I'll apologize for this post in this edit.  Although it says what I was thinking, it does so in the wrong way with a bad attitude.  I should know better than to try to think clearly and rationally before my first cup of coffee in the morning.  Again, sorry about that and try to hold the flames to a minimum.

[Glunnator]

Statistically, that is about 1/1000 games.  Would you find the 1 victory satisfying after playing through 999 frusterating games or would you pull your hair out first and stop playing before then?

Most of the time I straightout leave

Sometimes, when my side is losing at first, we try our best, then we get better, because the other team underestimated us, then we win

Ooh, yes i really like it when that happens Usually it's me who leads my team to victiry 'cause i usually go mara and go have tea and reactors
It's not ALWAYS me leading that kind of table-turning victory though. Sometimes its even someone on the OTHER team.  :eek: Thats really funny when that happens

[tuple]

Uh, I don't leave games for reasons other than
A:I have to go, work, life, etc.
B:It's SST and I can't walk down a corridor without being stopped 12 times by dretches, after a while of that I get frustrated and leave.

Other than that, I play till the end.  Sometimes you get your ass kicked.  That's the way life is.

You have an impressive array of numbers to justify deconning and griefing though.

[Ceaser342]

Statistically, that is about 1/1000 games.  Would you find the 1 victory satisfying after playing through 999 frusterating games or would you pull your hair out first and stop playing before then?

Uh, you have measurements?  I've seen it one hell of a lot more often than that.  But then, I try to play every game to the end, for better or for worse.  Do you?

http://www.tremulous.net/balance

Data:

In games ending as a S3 team against a S3 team, a total of 32253 games (26% of the total number of games played), Aliens won 25852 games (80%) and the humans won 6401 games (20%).

In games ending as a S3 team against a S2 team, a total of 27541 games, (22% of the total number of games played), the aliens won 15360 games (55%), and the humans won 12181 games (44%).

In games ending as a S3 team against a S1 team, a total of 20767 games (16% of the total number of games played), (55%) 11305 were won by the aliens, and 9462 (45%) were won by the humans.

In games ending as a S2 team against a S1 team, a total of 19386 games (15% of the total games played), the aliens won 12342 games (63%), and the humans won 7044 games (37%).

In games ending as a S1 team against a S1 team, a total of 17652 games (14% of the total number of games played), the aliens won 12431 games (70%) and the humans won 5221 games (30%).

In games ending as a S2 team against a S2 team, a total of 6164 games (4% of the total numbers of games played), the aliens won 3408 games (56%), and the humans won 2756 games (44%).

Additionally, if you view these images:

http://tremulous.net/balance/Overall_AS3vsHS1.png
http://tremulous.net/balance/Overall_AS1vsHS3.png
http://tremulous.net/balance/Overall_AS1vsHS2.png
http://tremulous.net/balance/Overall_AS2vsHS1.png

Conclusion:

For a S1 team to win against a S2 or S3 team, it's about 2-3% out of all the games played that ended in that situation for the S1 team to win.  Additionally, those victories happen within the game ending as a S2 or S3 team against a S1 team between 7 and 8% of the time, which means 8% of 4% comes out to .32% overall average for a S1 team to win against a S2 team, and about .16% overall average for a S1 team to win against a S3 team, when the game ends that way.  So I'm off; it's closer to a 1/200 to 1/400 chance than 1/1000.

If you're viewpoint is that the human team somehow gains stages and then kicks the alien teams butt, there's a 10.4% chance the game will end that way overall (20% of 26%) or about 1/10 games, at stage 3 on stage 3.  Looking at equal stages, the game will end in human victory about 4.2% of the time at stage 1 against a stage 1 team and 1.76% of the time with a S2 against a S2 team; so it's a 1/20 chance and a 1/75 chance.  If you're asking what's the chance of the human team getting to stage 3 in the first place, they've reached S3 29122 times ( meaning 29122 games ended with the humans in stage 3) or about 21% of the time and then from there it depends on what situation they are in to win.  85% of the time the game ends as a S3 V S3 for humans, and out of that, the humans win 20% of the time.  and of that remaining 15% of the time the humans win about 13%; so around 45% of 45%, of all games played, or about 20% probability the human team will win at stage 3 against an alien team when everything is factored in.

I could go on about other situations and the probability of progression of stages and killcount estemates, at length, but it depends on how you define an out-of-nowhere victory.  I define it as when a loss is all but tactically assured and something completly random happens to stop that.

Here's a question Tuple.  In what situation do you leave a game that's happening, aside from needing to stop playing for some reason, and why?  What's your threshold for frusteration?

Thanks you just helped me with my homework.  You sound like spock dude.  Numbers arn't evreything.

[TyrranzzX]

Uh, I don't leave games for reasons other than
A:I have to go, work, life, etc.
B:It's SST and I can't walk down a corridor without being stopped 12 times by dretches, after a while of that I get frustrated and leave.

Other than that, I play till the end.  Sometimes you get your ass kicked.  That's the way life is.

You have an impressive array of numbers to justify deconning and griefing though.

So in other words, if we both see a game as futile, we leave; I just define futility in a different manner.  Although you were the one who asked about the stats, don't be pissy when you get what you asked for.  

[Glunnator]

Once again:
Always look on the bright side of life, and STOP WHINING PPL! PLEASE!

I vote to lock this thread :-?



P.S.: If these thing really bother you THAT much that you just can't enjoy any game of trem, either stop playing, or choose an other server, or read a book: Way Of The Peaceful Warrior By Dan Millman

[Ceaser342]

They only time I get so pissed as to leave the game is when my team is a bunch of retards who think they are the bomb.  They kicked me becuase I moved the reactor out from in front of the door in tremor.  I told them I was one of them said fine. I move then this pops up:

Player NOOB1 has called a vote,

Kick player =USA=Dusty
Yes:9 No:2


Also I have never seen one person join a game then beat evreyone is 5 minutes.  Highly unlikely anyone is that good.

[Basilisco]

I vote to lock this thread :-?

This thread is a miracle, people who would normally make a stupid topic about how they got votekicked will just post a quick rant in here

                                   

[Neo]

It's relatively easy on Karinth and Tremor to beat the humans in under 5 minutes if you're lucky.

i'd vote to lock this thread, but that'd be sheep voting apparently and would be wrong. So to break the trend i'd say vote to keep it open.

My pet peeve is humans who camp small spaces like vents, as its annoying to get around as aliens and as a human they aren't helping when your team is getting mauled and an extra gun would really help.

[Ceaser342]

It's relatively easy on Karinth and Tremor to beat the humans in under 5 minutes if you're lucky.

i'd vote to lock this thread, but that'd be sheep voting apparently and would be wrong. So to break the trend i'd say vote to keep it open.

My pet peeve is humans who camp small spaces like vents, as its annoying to get around as aliens and as a human they aren't helping when your team is getting mauled and an extra gun would really help.

I think its quiet funny when slien team is 99% tyrant and one guy with   and saw last till tie

[Ceaser342]

Dretch on telenode.  gets like 20 kills.  I yell for them to kill it.  No one listens......

[yetshi]

transit in under 2 minutes is easy if your quick.

[Diggs]

transit in under 2 minutes is easy if your quick.

Why?  Did you or anyone else have any fun or enjoy a game that is over in two minutes?  I would think you pretty well ruined that game for all.

[|Nex|TrEmMa]

If Transit ended in 2 minutes every time I played it I would marry the responsible person irl.

[Somtin]

One thing that really pisses me off is when people argue where to move the base, once you have already finished half of the defences, deconned the reactor/om and the whole team is yelling at them to go to this place. What does he wanna do? Go to this other place. Blah.

[beerbitch]

One thing that really pisses me off is when people argue where to move the base, once you have already finished half of the defences, deconned the reactor/om and the whole team is yelling at them to go to this place. What does he wanna do? Go to this other place. Blah.

Yes, when the other team can whipe out you and your base and your defenses in 1 minute because its such a lame place to put them.