An idea i have

[koredump]

How about some kind of spider or snake droid that latches onto the back or chest or head of a human marine(a lower human guy) and stays there while drilling into the humans body/head, it takes like 5-10 seconds for the droid to finally drill into the human and take over the humans body, during the 5-10 seconds the humans friend can shoot the droid off or a medic has a specail instrument that will remove it in no time...

[Norfenstein]

So...the humans shoot each other to kill this thing?

[DarkStorm]

What about when there's a couple droids and only one human on a server while they're waiting for other players to join?  I personally don't think a manner of weapon such as that to be a very good idea.  You see when you create a weapon you have to look at it from the weapon-wielder's, and the victim's point of view.  There are weapons that won't piss off a killed player, and there are weapons that will.  Inescapable deaths would be one of them...  (granted this weapon wouldn't be inescapable all the time, but more often than one would think).

[koredump]

I think it would be Great fun to have a droid latched on to me and that i was about to be taken over by a droid.. and i would have to run around spamming my "Help me!" voice command and try and find a person to remove the droid off my back...I think it would add to the team work involved and make alot of people laugh their heads off.

It would not be one of those inescapable  death type things... like as if you were frozen by a freeze gun...you would still have time to run around and shoot enemys or go get help..

And of course you can make it hard for the droid to ever latch on to the human in the first place..just think about it..a hatchlings job is to just land on top of the human and then the human dies... but if your job was to latch on to the human on a certain spot and then press a button exactly at the right time of contact..that would be alot harder than the hatchlings job and then you still have to wait patiently until the humans time runs out until you can take him over..It would be hard but the rewards are great..

When the human is transformed it would be obvious who was on the human team  and who was a droid... whenever the human is taken over his head falls off and a droid head apears there instead...then the humans wont go around shooting each other to see who is the bad human...you can tell that your friends head is not as big as it should be...

[Norfenstein]

Well, to have the fun you predict with this, without the annoyance it could cause, maybe the small base droid (the one with the injector) could stick to the face of humans when it scores a fatal headshot (a la facehuggers in AvP), scaring the shit out the human when his screen is suddenly masked by a disgusting likkle droid. Maybe the poor sap can run around a little bit before he dies this way, so all his buddies can look on and say "Glad it wasn't me". Granted it wouldn't have the gameplay implications you wanted, but it'd be damn cool.

[koredump]

That would be cool too..

[Carcinogen]

Actually, if the base offensive class could do that... I would enjoy it.

In gameplay perspective, it isn't all the important. Relying on teamwork is frustrating, especially if death is imminent. Remember, in a game like this, you don't keep your frags when you die (unless you save some extra in the MCU, possibly) so dying because your teammates are retarded and wont remove it... it could leave the player pissed.

I can imagine it now, a droid latched onto the back of the human... the human screaming... and teammates shooting the poor bloke in the head, effectively killing him if they had no "uber-l33t-head-droid-removing-tool" or something. Not exactly what I had for gameplay.

What I imagined instead, was a droid injecting a human, detaching, scurrying back up the wall into some shadows while the human falls on the ground, spasming, imminent death if he has no anti-toxin... or a close call if he does have it. Therefore, lowly upgraded humans do have a slightly better chance against the base class droids. They get bit easily, but w/ anti-toxin they will live.

Just remember that having anti-toxin doesn't make you invincible. You can overdose, negating the effect and dying anyways if you ONLY rely on anti-toxin.

I didn't see dead humans with droid heads walking around shooting people. Remember, that would be against the droid's use of efficiency. The human weapons do NOT administer Necrotoxin-A, so even if you do take over a body, if you shoot hostile humans, when they die, they cannot be infested. Necrotoxin-A is a key component needed for infestation of a human corpse, and can only be injected through the use of droid melee or specialized ranged weapons.

It would be fun, but it would just make things alot more complicated for the explanations, frustrating for the victim, and not effective as it would sound.

[ This Message was edited by: Carcinogen on 2001-04-08 11:26 ]

[Saig]

Although this is probably off topic, I have this idea of maybe a "Charged" attack of some sort. Only the larger droids would be able to do this attack, as their weapons are meant for heavy damage. Of course, maybe you could apply it to the smaller droids so as to increase their chances of penetrating tough bit of armor, but it wouldnt have a very high success rate.

Hold down a button to start charging up your attack, somewhat like "Team Fortress" snipers, except that when you use this technique, it is slowly preformed, like a large swipe.

Not really sure how that would affect balance, but I just envisioned charging up my attack, walking up to a Human, and letting lose a bone-shattering blow that would deal fatal/incredible damage against him.

Different weapons would depend on what you do the most damage to, be it Armor, the actual Human Flesh, or both. *shrug* I was just feeling lonely not being able to talk in here until now. :smile:

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Saig
Ub3r-l33t Mapper
Stand-By Mapper for Tremulous

[ This Message was edited by: Saig on 2001-04-09 18:51 ]

[Norfenstein]

Charging is good, go to the chat room Saigy

[Veda]

I like the idea of a class that could take over dead soldiers. I like the idea of confusion and fear that maybe the guy down the hall is under enemy control. Of course a small hint would be great, like pure white eyes or something attached to the back of the head. So from a distance you don't really know but it wouldn't work too hot if they were your base.

The zombie controlled enemies idea has been brought up almost more than any other idea on the Gloom boards. Even though most people are overwhelmingly against it but, NO ONE HAS EVER TRIED IT IN A GAME. I think you know what I mean, it's something that needs to be played before dismissing.

I had an idea for a similiar unit in Gloom 2 that Binary elaborated on and made better. Basically the kamikaze could run around and grapple all it wanted to, sneak into a base and explode. Or it could forgo the grapple, inhabit a dead body, only once, and explode itself from there. Which would have rocked seeing this guy run toward the base, then you realize his eyes are bleeding or he's pale, etc. You shoot him and he explodes injurying soldiers nearby. This way the kami is doing the same function, he can't use any weapons, but he becomes like a one way spy.

[Norfenstein]

I think the idea of "zombification" or taking over human bodies has already been denied. It leads to players shooting teammates more than they already would, and that just isn't a good thing. Now attaching oneself to enemy, most likely in an inconspicuous manner, could be a good idea.

And being able to latch on to teammates would be a good idea for droids too...just imagine one of the big lead classes rushing into a base and unleashing a swarm of smaller droids that had hitched a ride on him for protection and infiltration...

[Cybernetsam]

Maybe latching onto the back of an enemy, and then waiting to be taken into teh base so you can detonate yourself. If someone else sees you riding some guy, they yell "stop d00d, you gotz a back bug" and then that guy stops and you get shot. Cool.

[Carcinogen]

Would be an interesting novelty, although what exactly would this do for gameplay?

Why wouldn't you just kill the hummie and infest it? Answer these questions withough mentioning a self-destruct method, and I'll give you a present :grin:

[Cybernetsam]

Choice A: Kill human. Use body to become stronger.

Choice B: Hide on human, get into enemy base, blow up, take out several enemies, along with defensive structures, cause fear and parinoia in enemy troops, and make is easy for offensive droids to get in and wreak havok.

[ This Message was edited by: Cybernetsam on 2001-04-11 06:10 ]

[Veda]

"Would be an interesting novelty, although what exactly would this do for gameplay?"

No one knows Carc that's what I said in my post. You don't really know until it's in the game. I was just making a suggestion that it would be fun to try.

[koredump]

Thank you cybrnetsam, i didnt know how else to put that.. I think thats a great idea

[A_Total_noob]

How about some kind of spider or snake droid that latches onto the back or chest or head of a human marine(a lower human guy) and stays there while drilling into the humans body/head, it takes like 5-10 seconds for the droid to finally drill into the human and take over the humans body, during the 5-10 seconds the humans friend can shoot the droid off or a medic has a specail instrument that will remove it in no time...

Have you even played Tremulous ?!
There is already a alien that can perform similar tasks-
its called a Basilisk.

Think before you ask !

[yetshi]

RISE FROM YOUR GRAVE!

[rapha]

What about when there's a couple droids and only one human on a server while they're waiting for other players to join?  I personally don't think a manner of weapon such as that to be a very good idea.  You see when you create a weapon you have to look at it from the weapon-wielder's, and the victim's point of view.  There are weapons that won't piss off a killed player, and there are weapons that will.  Inescapable deaths would be one of them...  (granted this weapon wouldn't be inescapable all the time, but more often than one would think).

Well, if you ask me as a victim... the Basi's grabbing capability definitely falls under the "pisses me off" category.

[kozak6]

Wow, a 6 year bump.

[rapha]

Wow, a 6 year bump.

Where?

[holyknight]

Wow, a 6 year bump.

Where?

A_TOTAL_NOOB just did that... :roll:
heh, I was reading it and I was going "wow, who the heck are all these people? Never seen them before :roll: "

[techhead]

Two 6-year bumps in a single day.
Is he going for a streak here?

[Rawr]

face hugger!!!!
rofl...

[Vector_Matt]

Two 6-year bumps in a single day.
Is he going for a streak here?

He's not nearly as bad as Dark_Blood_Hound from the Vegastrike forums, in one day he posted in ~5 forums each with ~15 topics, most of which where 1+ months old, This made him go from ~0 posts to ~75 in one day, then when I asked him to stop spamming he gave  this dumb pm:

If someone wants help, I answer...

If someone GIVES help, I comment on that help..

Or if someone just starts a random chat I respond and have a little laugh
(not silly though)

It's called a...   DISCUSSION!

So stop complaining about my messages all the time, not exactly SPAMMING!

Dark-Blood-Hound is a noob.
A_Total_Noob only rezzed two topics, and he relised the mistake, in
one of them anyway.

[holyknight]

Two 6-year bumps in a single day.
Is he going for a streak here?

He's not nearly as bad as Dark_Blood_Hound from the Vegastrike forums, in one day he posted in ~5 forums each with ~15 topics, most of which where 1+ months old, This made him go from ~0 posts to ~75 in one day, then when I asked him to stop spamming he gave  this dumb pm:

If someone wants help, I answer...

If someone GIVES help, I comment on that help..

Or if someone just starts a random chat I respond and have a little laugh
(not silly though)

It's called a...   DISCUSSION!

So stop complaining about my messages all the time, not exactly SPAMMING!

Dark-Blood-Hound is a noob.
A_Total_Noob only rezzed two topics, and he relised the mistake, in
one of them anyway.

hahaha, what a loser...

[rapha]

Hahahah! We post on INTERNET forums! We're ALL such LOOSERS! Hahahahahah!