Drech headshot from ground, Exploit or not?

[Lava Croft]

No problem, don't let your name hit you on the way out.

A touche about the size of the Patronas Towers.

[temple]

Ground headbites are cheap in the sense that they are unexpected.  However, they are perfectly fine to me and should be to anyone that has played Tremulous for a while.  

Honestly, the goal in killing a dretch is to so before they get in range.  Ground headbites have nothing to do with it.  I think forcing a jump will make killing dretches much easier because once aerial, dretches have no control and become much more predictable.

[[A]]

I voted no for 1 main reason :

A good human can move very fast and it's easy to stay away from a dretch. and dretch die in 5 bullets.

Try to hit me when you are dretch before i kill you ... And now imagine without headshot from ground how hard it will be to kill me ...

Where is the "surprise effect" if you can't kill the human very fast ?

no really, useless topic.

[dude11235]

what a noob

I'm not a noob, perhaps to this forum.. but not to tremulous, i can easily take down dretches while naked, but im thinking of other players who cant, i mean what is an REAL noob gona think about tremulous if he joins a game and dies in two hits from a spider thats about the hight of his boots?

I'm naked!

[BeerBastard]

If a s1 Human gets owned by a lone dretch they were not looking around enough.  Learn to turn around every couple secs.  A good sensitivity is important for this. If you cant look around your not fast enough not to get snuck up on by a lone dretch.  Turn it up and get used to it.

[n00b pl0x]

low sens ftw

[TyrranzzX]

If a s1 Human gets owned by a lone dretch they were not looking around enough.  Learn to turn around every couple secs.  A good sensitivity is important for this. If you cant look around your not fast enough not to get snuck up on by a lone dretch.  Turn it up and get used to it.

Dretches can hide around corners.  Once they're on you in S1vS1, you're fucked.  A lone dretch in a crowd of 2-3 good players can own them all in S1VS1.  You can say "look around" all you want; in some instances you don't even get a chance and it's a map design issue.

[Bajsefar]

Edge around one edge of the door till you see if there is a dretch there.
Or just run through it and turn around to shoot the bastard.
And stop reviving!

[Hk]

While complaining about the evil dretch-ownage at S1, you should not forget what 2 turrets do to a dretch.
And, furthermore, please complain against S2 helmets to, because they basically revert the situation: now only a pretty skilled dretch can take a hummie in a 1 vs 1. At stage 1, without reinforcements, it is the other way around - this looks pretty balanced to me. You just have to stay in your base at S1, if you aren't tough enough for those dretch-fights.

[n00b pl0x]

While complaining about the evil dretch-ownage at S1, you should not forget what 2 turrets do to a dretch.
And, furthermore, please complain against S2 helmets to, because they basically revert the situation: now only a pretty skilled dretch can take a hummie in a 1 vs 1. At stage 1, without reinforcements, it is the other way around - this looks pretty balanced to me. You just have to stay in your base at S1, if you aren't tough enough for those dretch-fights.

why should an s2 human who BOUGHT a helmet not kill an s1 dretch most of the time?

[The Reverend]

I'll say this if you get rid of the ground headbite dretches have to have more health.  And frankly lately it seems more and more humans are learning how to move making it much more difficult to get that ground headshot.  I've gotten used to it being a part of the game.  Most of the time the only people really getting owned by ground headshots are people very new to the game.  I could live with getting rid of the ground headbite if dretches got 35-40 health and a heal rate of 3 hp per sec after it kicks in.  that's what 7-8 bullets from a rifle, 4-5 lasgun shots and they would still be a one shot hit for a shotty. I'd say that would be fair.

[Foobicam]

I could live with getting rid of the ground headbite if dretches got 35-40 health and a heal rate of 3 hp per sec after it kicks in.  that's what 7-8 bullets from a rifle, 4-5 lasgun shots and they would still be a one shot hit for a shotty. I'd say that would be fair.

+1

According to hearsay attributed to the devs, there is no choice - ground headbite *is* gone.  Hopefully there will be compensation as you suggest.

[AKAnotu]

Many people think that dretch being able to head shot from the ground is an exploit, others think it isn't, but the fact that a starter alien can kill a starter human in 2 hits is bad.

I have to point this out again, to kill in less than two hits means the headbite dretch damage has to  be 49 or below
use your brain

[techhead]

Ah, but with the current setup, a head-bite can be followed up by anything stronger than Granger spit.
If a head-bite and a leg-bite didn't kill, but a head-bite and a chest did, then a lot of Human players would be happier.
45 base damage (default 48) sounds like a sweet spot.
Head-shot, unarmored 90 dmg
Leg-shot, armored, 7 dmg
Chest-shot, armored, 11 dmg

[temple]

If a s1 Human gets owned by a lone dretch they were not looking around enough.  Learn to turn around every couple secs.  A good sensitivity is important for this. If you cant look around your not fast enough not to get snuck up on by a lone dretch.  Turn it up and get used to it.

Dretches can hide around corners.  Once they're on you in S1vS1, you're fucked.  A lone dretch in a crowd of 2-3 good players can own them all in S1VS1.  You can say "look around" all you want; in some instances you don't even get a chance and it's a map design issue.

A good group of humans would fan out as soon as a dretch appears so that 1 may die but the dretch is surely dead from the others.

If you know a map, you know where hiding spots are.  Hell, I'm a good at human simply because I'm good at alien.  The best bet for a human is just to run and look around occassionally but never stop moving.  Its hard to ambush them.  I know from experience on both sides.  

I play with good people and its all a matter of who's thinking what when a dretch meets a naked human.  I can go either way, I don't give either the advantage as long as dretches have a wall to climb on.  

My success as an alien is based on the opposite happening.

[Henners]

n n n n n n n n n n n NECROMANCED!

[BeerBastard]

Ok Gun vs knive who usually wins?  

Without ground headbites a human player could look straight and wait for dretchs to jump thru his vision.  Not to mention every fix and change has been to make humans better.  

Also it takes a good dretch to take out a good naked rifleman.

[AKAnotu]

Ah, but with the current setup, a head-bite can be followed up by anything stronger than Granger spit.
If a head-bite and a leg-bite didn't kill, but a head-bite and a chest did, then a lot of Human players would be happier.
45 base damage (default 48) sounds like a sweet spot.
Head-shot, unarmored 90 dmg
Leg-shot, armored, 7 dmg
Chest-shot, armored, 11 dmg

i'm perfectly fine with that, because some jump, so they can  easily turn while jumping and hit the chest/head.

[n00b pl0x]

knive wins

[Shadowgandor]

no, it requires practice and skills to be able to do headshots with a dretch on the ground, a hummie could do the same thing to aliens if skilled thus it is balanced imo

[Bajsefar]

Errr... sorry for the revival..
But why is solo always in bold?
I am quite sure i did not put it in bold when i posted here..
And btw.. Has he been banned yet?

[Plague Bringer]

solo isnt always in bold....and..this has to be the most retarted necro in history ><