Drech headshot from ground, Exploit or not?

[Solo]

Many people think that dretch being able to head shot from the ground is an exploit, others think it isn't, but the fact that a starter alien can kill a starter human in 2 hits is bad. I myself think this is an exploit and should be removed from the game to balance the gameplay.
It also allows dretches to kill with stealth, i mean if your going to lose 96% hp in one hit your going to want a warning aren't you?
I think there was a warning intended. The dretch makes a noise when it jumps, indicating that (if its coming from behind you) its going for a head shot, and you can move out of the way, but dretches don't need to jump for a  headshot, giving the human a 1 in 9999999999 chance of survival if the attacker comes from behind.

I think this should be fixed, this is a problem with the game and i am posting it back as a suggestion, post your thoughts.
And if one of the creators of tremulous could tell me if dretch was origionaly intended to head shot from ground that would be great thanks.

Edit: Before you vote, find out the meaning of exploit if you don't allready know it, thx.

[Solo]

If you vote in the poll can you please give a reason for your answer please thx.

[vcxzet]

what a noob

[Somethief]

Maybe it should be fixed, but you can do it yourself aswell so doesn't really matter. Go play instad of whining all the time -.-'

[Solo]

Im posting my FEEDBACK and SUGGESTIONS, read the title before you make an unescisary childish immature comment, oops too late.

After all thats what this part of the forum is for, FEEDBACK.

[Caveman]

Im posting my FEEDBACK and SUGGESTIONS, read the title before you make an unescisary childish immature comment, oops too late.

After all thats what this part of the forum is for, FEEDBACK.

And the feedback for you is:

Take a hike and don't come back.

[Solo]

what a noob

I'm not a noob, perhaps to this forum.. but not to tremulous, i can easily take down dretches while naked, but im thinking of other players who cant, i mean what is an REAL noob gona think about tremulous if he joins a game and dies in two hits from a spider thats about the hight of his boots?

[Solo]

Im posting my FEEDBACK and SUGGESTIONS, read the title before you make an unescisary childish immature comment, oops too late.

After all thats what this part of the forum is for, FEEDBACK.

And the feedback for you is:

Take a hike and don't come back.

Oh, caveman you wana play that game? just give me the signal and we can start flaming insults at each other like children, if you cant say anything positive and mature about this discussion then just keep your ignorant, *quote* Egoisitc bat-weilding thoughts to yourself, because to be ohnest nobody wants to hear anything stupid like that now do they? How old are you caveman? 3? 4? 5 at the most right? well thats the age you act like.

I duno who or what you slept with to get admin on aliens wrath.
I wouldnt give you any form of responisiblity at all untill you get your attitude sorted out.

[Caveman]

Geez, Solo, are you sure you went to school and had some English lessons?
Are you really a natively-English-speaking-person?
You make fun of others that never really learned English and yet you royaly fail yourself at any attempt to comunicate in your professed mother-tongue.

If i am only 5, then you have Altzheimer's.

oh, btw:

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[holyknight]

Solo... we had disscussion about this before... and we don't want any more stuff about this...
you think no one would have ever thought "OMG DRETCH GROUND HEADBITE IS ALL WRONG!" and crap like that? Here's the advice: Don't try and be cocky, people hate that. Everyone hate that. So just go and play instead of talking in here. Or learn to be more mature unlike you did in the other thread

[techhead]

I always thought ground headbites were cheap.
Then I tried it one time and now I respect ground-headbiters.

[TyrranzzX]

The alien team is at less of a disadvantage with n00bs than is the human team because expert alien players are at a greater advantage playing aliens than they are humans.   It is simply much easier and has more of an affect on the outcome of a game to play the lone tyrant than it is to try to get a number of n00bish human players to coordinate.  Humans have to coordinate to do anything and when they do they're pretty formittable; when no coordination is available the aliens gain major advantages since humans are, unit-for-unit, weaker than everything the aliens have.

The dretch doing 96 damage in one hit is vital to it being balanced in a bout between 2 good players.  The dretch moves roughly the same speed as a human and it's weapon is melee in nature.  This means the dretch has to close in on the human who can not only jump over it but also make their movements random enough that closing in directly or otherwise is nearly impossible.  More importantly, if the human has good aim you can't move in straight which means you've got to get creative.  This is why stealth is important to dretches; without suprise you have to close in a very long range and if they have good aim you're screwed.

I honestly believe the best way to balance it out is to give the humans some kind of alien warning system such as a heartbeat sensor which alerts them to the generic presence of an alien.  All it'd have to do is sit in by the reticle and blink yellow whenever an alien gets close.  N00b players would know it's time to be careful, expert players would have an idea of where the dretch would be hiding.  The same would balance out, for example, tyrants drawing out humans by retreating and then stopping.  If the tyrant stopped and your sensor went off you'd know they were waiting around the corner and it was time to retreat.

[Solo]

Caveman im scottish not english, i use alot of slang in my country (you would see what i ment if you came here) so im not used to speaking proper english, but atleast what i says make sence.

Holyknight i dont remember being cocky, and you tell me "just play dont post here", im posting here because the makers of tremulous made this forum for the players (thats us) to give feedback on what they think is wrong and what is right, thats what im doing and you arent going to stop me with babyish anti-social complaints.

[Survivor]

Caveman im scottish not english, i use alot of slang in my country (you would see what i ment if you came here) so im not used to speaking proper english, but atleast what i says make sence.

Holyknight i dont remember being cocky, and you tell me "just play dont post here", im posting here because the makers of tremulous made this forum for the players (thats us) to give feedback on what they think is wrong and what is right, thats what im doing and you arent going to stop me with babyish anti-social complaints.

What we mean is that we've had this discussion. Several times over already in random threads.

[Solo]

Caveman im scottish not english, i use alot of slang in my country (you would see what i ment if you came here) so im not used to speaking proper english, but atleast what i says make sence.

Holyknight i dont remember being cocky, and you tell me "just play dont post here", im posting here because the makers of tremulous made this forum for the players (thats us) to give feedback on what they think is wrong and what is right, thats what im doing and you arent going to stop me with babyish anti-social complaints.

What we mean is that we've had this discussion. Several times over already in random threads.

I didn't know about that, but still i would like to know if this was intended from the start, if its intended to be fixed and a link to one of the previous discussions about it to see how it turned out, thx.

[_Equilibrium_]

Ground headbites are not as easy as you make them out to be. Yes, skilled players can do it, but lots of new or average players can't, don't bother, or jump.

[Survivor]

Caveman im scottish not english, i use alot of slang in my country (you would see what i ment if you came here) so im not used to speaking proper english, but atleast what i says make sence.

Holyknight i dont remember being cocky, and you tell me "just play dont post here", im posting here because the makers of tremulous made this forum for the players (thats us) to give feedback on what they think is wrong and what is right, thats what im doing and you arent going to stop me with babyish anti-social complaints.

What we mean is that we've had this discussion. Several times over already in random threads.

I didn't know about that, but still i would like to know if this was intended from the start, if its intended to be fixed and a link to one of the previous discussions about it to see how it turned out, thx.

It is not my duty to search for you. I'm doing this once.

http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2301

The main discussion happens in the first part of the thread. Please don't necro the thread since the discussion is over.

As far as I know it was intended to balance out the 5 bullet kill of a dretch and will remain the same. Anyone not being able to kill a single dretch 50% of the time in a single clip should not come here and complain about imbalance but learn to at least dodge and aim.

The main reason dretches are so powerful is that humans:
1. Spam an entire clip; during the reload dretches attack and take out.
(Hint: Divide the clip into several bursts of around 10 bullets, the dretch will not be sure which is your reload, maybe even reload with 10 bullets left to throw it off)
2. Don't learn to account for ping during aiming; aliens have this less since they need to be up close to deal damage anyway.
(Lag compensation is a feeling which depends upon your own settings
3. Are bad at predicting; the 'alien' players, when playing humans, input their own decision making as alien in the alien path prediction of which they have great knowledge and learn to predict escape/attack routes and intercept weak aliens.
and aliens:
4. Ambush; they wait and sneak behind you. Which is their full right.
5. Are fast; which they need to be because humans have range.

1,2 & 3 are (erronously) learned by players at the start while 4 & 5 were intended.

[kevlarman]

as much as i love my ground headshots, no it was not intended and no it  will not remain the same.   :cry:

[holyknight]

Caveman im scottish not english, i use alot of slang in my country (you would see what i ment if you came here) so im not used to speaking proper english, but atleast what i says make sence.

Holyknight i dont remember being cocky, and you tell me "just play dont post here", im posting here because the makers of tremulous made this forum for the players (thats us) to give feedback on what they think is wrong and what is right, thats what im doing and you arent going to stop me with babyish anti-social complaints.

what I mean is, you shouldn't go yell out shitty craps just because someone said something bad to you. Let's just say... you had a bad start... if you want to start over, try and be more cheerful this time or make a new account...

[Survivor]

as much as i love my ground headshots, no it was not intended and no it  will not remain the same.   :cry:

source?

[vcxzet]

as much as i love my ground headshots, no it was not intended and no it  will not remain the same.   :cry:

source?

timbo+tjw

[Survivor]

I stand corrected. Hope they don't nerf it too much.

[_Equilibrium_]

1. Spam an entire clip; during the reload dretches attack and take out.
(Hint: Divide the clip into several bursts of around 10 bullets, the dretch will not be sure which is your reload, maybe even reload with 10 bullets left to throw it off)

You do a certain action when you reload (bringing down the gun or something like that), so they wil KNOW if you reload. They don't have to guess.

[kevlarman]

as much as i love my ground headshots, no it was not intended and no it  will not remain the same.   :cry:

source?

timbo+tjw

+jex+catalyc

[Survivor]

1. Spam an entire clip; during the reload dretches attack and take out.
(Hint: Divide the clip into several bursts of around 10 bullets, the dretch will not be sure which is your reload, maybe even reload with 10 bullets left to throw it off)

You do a certain action when you reload (bringing down the gun or something like that), so they wil KNOW if you reload. They don't have to guess.

In the heat of the action it's enough to save you a few milliseconds. We're not here to argue about that.

[Vector_Matt]

as much as i love my ground headshots, no it was not intended and no it  will not remain the same.   :cry:

source?

timbo+tjw

+jex+catalyc

So long as they keep the ground chestbites in I'm fine with it, otherwise, time to get my angry mob gear.

[TyrranzzX]

On second thought...

Dretch hiding around a corner + headbite from ground + human unable to manuver in time = aliens winning all the time during S1 because the humans CANNOT explore the map.  

Also, doing a headshot as a dretch is as easy as pointing the mouse up and using WASD to move around.  As soon as you come anywhere near the human, bam, headshot.  Super easy and no decrease in speed.

[Rawr]

Yes and no to the GHS's
Yes it is a glitch in the sense that the dretch is extending its bit 4-5 times the size its supposed to. Yes its extremly cheap.
No, it is not a "hack" it was built into the game.

[0z]

I like both floor and ceiling headbites, they are part of the game. If you cannot shoot the dretches then too bad for you.

[chompers]

Posting this pic again in the interest of public awareness.

That shows the maximum range for landing a body / head shot with dretch, if you aim up at about 45 degrees you should land the headshot, from the dretches POV at ground level, you should be looking slightly above the head.

Jumping increases your range by roughly 30%, since the line is no longer tilted up at 45 degrees; it's the same range you have to land a foot shot from ground level.

Also worth noting is the bounding box of the dretch. It's effin' HUGE, and most of it is above the visible model, so as a human it is better to aim a little above the dretch. Aiming directly at it means some of your rounds will probably hit the floor in front of it, unless you are using a weapon with zero spread like the lasgun.