what side is better??? aliens or hummies?

[yo mama!]

Im a  noob and i jsut want to know the good parts and bad parts of the different sides. i also want to know whiche side is easier aliens or humans? thnx.    

[Rawr]

aliens ftw.
You cant beat theyre huge S1vS1 domination. With good cordination, any team can win by s2.

[kozak6]

For a new player, the human team is much easier to play as.

If you have ever played an FPS before, you will already have some of the basics down.  Also, it will be easier to see, understand, and replicate what your teammates are doing.

The alien team is much, much harder for a new player.  You need a lot of tact and practice to use the Dretch, and the Basilisk is even harder to play as.

[holyknight]

humans, don't go near aliens (unless you have painsaw) and just... shoot them all!!! RARH!

as for aliens, wallcrawl, and ... you know, try not to get hit...

[Lava Croft]

Humans are by far the strongest team in Tremulous.

[whitebear]

If your ping is good enough for sniping fast aliens then humans.
If your ping is avaage then you pwn with aliens easyer.
If you have ever played alien vs. predator 2 then use drech and basilisk smilar way as aliens in avp2. If you got problems killing aliens get your self kamikaze kit

[TharisfalPS]

I agree with Lava. Human are stronger. But alien used correctly can be very powerful

[Caveman]

And where is the option to vote "depends on the players" or "both are equal"?

[Taiyo.uk]

This is another balance thread, isn't it.

I shall quote the conclusion of every previous balance thread:

The teams are balanced but players often are not.

Look at the graphs on the home page...

[Raytray]

I doubt the teams are balanced. =P

Anyway, yes, if you are new try humans.  After playing for awhile, expriment with the alien team.

[Taiyo.uk]

I doubt the teams are balanced. =P

Look at the graphs on the home page...

[Lava Croft]

I doubt the teams are balanced. =P

Look at the graphs on the home page...

Those graphs only tell me most Tremulous players are horrible at the game.

[temple]

Dinosaurs >>>> Soldiers

[Raytray]

I doubt the teams are balanced. =P

Look at the graphs on the home page...

Look at the changes on trem.tjw.org and tell me if the game is balanced, what are they doing?

[holyknight]

Dinosaurs >>>> Soldiers

you mean tiny dinosaurs?
It's all Jurrasic Park all over again

[Puma]

human teamplay >>>>>>>>>>>>> aliens.

[Stof]

The better side it's the one I'm playing on of course Silly pool doesn't even have that option.

[n00b pl0x]

The better side it's the one I'm playing on of course Silly pool doesn't even have that option.

unless of course youre playing against me right? :wink:

[Kolaris]

Aliens by far. S1 vs S1 isn't even funny, and it allows aliens to survive human s2. Sure if aliens and humans arrived at s2 at the same time humans would win most games, but as it is when humans get to s2 the aliens are usually twice as far along if not farther. Humans will catch up quickly, but with one good builder and an eggspam going there isn't too much hope to end it before s3. And if you do get to s3...well, either the humans have been camping and they start dying off, or aliens can stall until Sudden Death.

Humans that can actually work in a team change the scale dramatically, but its so rare to find an organized attack on the alien base that I really don't even consider it for balances sake. Usually you have 1-2 pro players going out solo, and in those circumstances aliens win most of the time.

I still think there's a fundamental flaw in Tremulous: Aliens win games with no teamwork, Humans win with teamwork. And which do you think is easier to accomplish?

[n00b pl0x]

teamwork?

[Kolaris]

Try again.  

[Shadoglare]

I've had my butt handed to me pretty equally on both sides. I personally think the aliens are more fun, but otherwise I think the sides are fairly balanced.

[player1]

Wow so many people to agree with.

I felt like I couldn't do jack as an alien for the first week or so, then I still thought dretch was hard as heck for about another month. Now I can finally headchomp (it was like catching that first wave in surfing).

I lost good years of my life playing shooters, even though I'm still pretty terrible. So I immediately gravitated towards humans. 'Gimme a friggin' gun, what do you mean hold down right-mouse to charge up my jump, wtf?' I couldn't get the hang of it. [And I didn't realize that I could join the humans at the right time if I really watched what was going on.] "Unnamed Player joined the aliens." Oh, duh. Click.

Anyway I almost started a thread yesterday asking who play-balanced Tremulous, 'cause it's actually pretty good. It's fun, addictive, and plenty balanced. Compared to Quake3Arena, Unreal Tournament, or TeamFortress, it totally rules. There are so many ways to play Tremulous.

Learn the default maps by heart, as both human and alien.

Go on an empty server, build a base, in case anybody comes on to play against you, then go try to destroy the enemy base. Try that on every default map. Which was harder, human or alien, and why?

Now go play against some real players. They'll pwn you, but at least you'll know what's going on, where the bases are, what you're supposed to do.

If you can win the "single-player" version of Tremulous as a granger/dretch, with no-one to kill, and turrets as your enemy, my hat is off to you. A stage1 human can destroy an 'unmanned' enemy base with a blaster and patience. Carrying a ckit. Try that as a granger or a dretch.

As stated above, though, at stage2, aliens kick ass. And as also stated above, without teamplay, humans are either toast, they outnumber the aliens, or they have a player who is so much better than anyone else on the server (or players, plural), it wouldn't matter. They will pwn you anyway.

However, if someone on the human team shows some initiative, and other players are alert enough to listen to his suggestions, and choose to cooperate together, they can own the aliens. I was on a team that won in that map where the humans always lose, UTCSb, and we ruled. Actually my team ruled. I just took down turrets in the default base when I was asked to. So did like three other people. It turned the tide.

Tremulous is pretty interesting, even on the public servers. This was either at SST or BeerGarden, someplace usually pretty wide open. Some players I knew from seeing their tags were working together on my team and I just jumped in. Most memorable game yet, instant matchklan, breaking up again as soon as the game is over, shifting, changing, teammates becoming foes in the next round. Good sheet.

The game forces humans to have the hive mind, and aliens can act as individuals. I think that's kewl. Plus, as a n00b, it forces you to play on both sides. Later on, you choose the side you like (aliens 'cause they can pwn pinkskins, humans to use the fun toys) or play with people you know/meet 'cause you want to and can. I LIKE BOF'.

[biotxc]

spec

[Henners]

Aliens have difficulty holding the mouse and pressing the small buttons on keyboards  :-?

[shadow_archmagi]

^What graphs on what homepage? WTF are you talking about?

What is this "Aliens>>>Humans at S1" thing I keep hearing. My experience has been that I can almost always beat a dretch 1v1. Its a simple matter of being able to fire accurately five times before they can hit you. I'm not the best shot, but in the time it takes for an alien to get to me, I can launch a full clip, 30 shots. That means only 1 in 6 shots has to land to deal 25 dmg and get the kill. I think just about every player online should be able to manage 17% accuracy or better. If you do the whole "I'm gonna sidestep right before the alien lunges at my throat" thing, you can sometimes fire TWO whole clips. Fighting up high means you can always jump down and then give yourself a chance to fire away at the dretch as it falls towards you. Humans SHOULD win most of the time.

Unless of course you refer to dretches swarming the human base. I'll admit, 10 dretches VS 10 humans in a small room looks like dretchfood. But most layouts give humans turrets, which stop almost all dretch attacks. Its really hilarous to watch humans try to surivive on those layouts with no turrets and spawns everywhere....

I find the course of most games goes: Humans fortify their base, occasionally a few leave to fight aliens. This continues until aliens are so powerful that the human base is under constant siege, and no one can leave. They occasionally attack. Sudden death hits. The aliens gradually wear down human defenses, and the humans die out.

[Stof]

^What graphs on what homepage? WTF are you talking about?

What is this "Aliens>>>Humans at S1" thing I keep hearing. My experience has been that I can almost always beat a dretch 1v1.

I wasn't aware that S1 aliens were limited to dretches. Try that against a goon using any S1 equipment you want.

[tuple]

My experience has been that I can almost always beat a dretch 1v1.

Quit playing against noob dretches.  If they are on the floor running or jumping for you, that doesn't count.  If they come around a corner just above your head giving you a headshot, lower down on the wall behind you to block you from backing up (which you are trying to do furiously) taking your last 4 HP then jump to the inside wall of the corner to prepare for your buddy who was following a little too far behind, that's the dretch you can go 1v1 against

Even better, wallwalk jumping into a group of humans then stick to the floor so they can't hear you. Spin around looking for the headshot party while the humans shoot each others feet causeing at least 4 HP damage.  Ok, now I'm just off topic.

[daenyth]

Spin around looking for the headshot party while the humans shoot each others feet causeing at least 4 HP damage.  Ok, now I'm just off topic.

Play with good humans and you ill find that they rarely TK, even that single bullet at s1

[tuple]

Play with good humans and you ill find that they rarely TK, even that single bullet at s1

That is the biggest line of crap I've heard all day.  Granted it's early here.   I constantly see "good" humans tking and getting tked.  While less effective against good humans, it is still effective.

edit:  I might add, how do you know if a bullet or 2 doesn't hit your teammate?  You ultimately don't.