Author Topic: I need some help with aliens (Read 20579 times)

kudorgyozo · « **on:** February 14, 2007, 06:51:07 pm »

Hello, I'm a big n00b in this game, i started to play a few days ago. I need some general help on playing with aliens especially dretches. I keep dying all the time with them. Any hint,help,guide would be appreciated.

The manual only lists the structures and creatures but there are no strategies or anything like that.
And is there a command to change teams without quitting the game?

BTW the game is really great

Bajsefar · « **Reply #1 on:** February 14, 2007, 07:00:45 pm »

Learn wallwalking, its a really good thing for not getting shot.
Learn to headbite, this usually involves siply aiming at the humans head while getting close.
You can also headbite humans from the ground.
Dont feed the humans.
Dont build until you have some idea of how.
Dont jump if you do not want to be heard with the dretch.
You can press the 'walk' button to be silent with any alien, but its slow.
Dont block tyrants or goons.
You can kill single turrets with a dretch by circling them (turrets turn around slowly).
Tyrants have a really huge range, use this, try to slash them even if they are not so close.
While pouncing, aim at the humans, if you hit or not depends on where you aim.
If you're afraid you are going to tk with a goon pounce, look away so you will not hit them.
Dont block spawns.
Dont stand still if you want to live.
Get behind the humans, jump dodge, outthink and in general, confuse them.
Tyrants can sometimes pick down the jettards if they are close enough to the ground, tyrants can hit them surprisingly high up if they jump and slash.
You can jump from walls while wallwalking, good dodge maneuver, and good for getting close to humans.
Turn off auto wallwalk pitching, this will help you to not get as confused while wallwalking as it will prevent you from pitching forwards or backwards while wallwalking.
If i can think of more i will update.

Tell me if you need help with humans too.

Pacra · « **Reply #2 on:** February 14, 2007, 07:03:58 pm »

As a dretch:

Wallwalk to avoid getting shot at. When you've wallwalked near the human, jump down and look up at a 45 degree angle, strafing in a circle around the human. If you want to risk a jumping headshot, do so only if you know the human is unhelmeted. Take advantage of your radar, use it so that you can creep up on humans. Don't jump, they'll hear it. If they turn around, wallwalk immediately so you don't get mowed down. If they don't turn around, 45-degree angle them for 96 damage. Then just touch them again for the coup de grace.

Against other targets, like a helmet pulser or bsuits, unless the other player is a total nub, your function is a hit-and-run annoyance. Get poison and bite, and get out via wallwalk before they can retaliate.

tuple · « **Reply #3 on:** February 14, 2007, 07:15:38 pm »

Press c to wallwalk.

Wallwalk as much as you possibly can.

Never aproach an enemy in a straight line.

ALWAYS, ALWAYS look at the enemy's head, especially when wallwalking, but when on the floor too.
ALWAYS, ALWAYS look at the enemy's head, especially when wallwalking, but when on the floor too.
ALWAYS, ALWAYS look at the enemy's head, especially when wallwalking, but when on the floor too.

Don't jump when sneaking up on humans, you'll give away your position. Dretches only make noise when the die, cry (f) or jump.

Hit and run, don't worry about making the kill unless the humans are completely unarmored. Let teammate dretches who are following make the kill, you will still get evols if you caused enough damage and the human is killed by someone else.

Stay out of the way of bigger aliens.

When bigger aliens are being chased by humans, get between the alien and human to slow or stop the human from pursuing, better they kill a dretch than a goon or tyrant.

Stay out of the way of bigger aliens.
Stay out of the way of bigger aliens.
Stay out of the way of bigger aliens.

Flee from flamers and Lucys, they will just kill you quickly and help the humans gain money.

Follow these rules, anyone who tells you differently has more experience than you and knows when they can be bent or broken. You don't have the experience needed to make that call yet. You'll know when you do.

Learn to gain evols as a dretch. You will be a better mara/goon/tyrant if you are not afraid of losing the evols you needed to get there in the first place.

Plague Bringer · « **Reply #4 on:** February 14, 2007, 09:17:54 pm »

A skilled dretch can take out a luci with little trouble. Most people with a luci will shoot the ground to take out any dretches near them, so, all you have to do is bluff a charge, do a strafe jump, let the human do some self damage with the luci, and back off. Lather, rinse, repeat.

ShadowNinjaDudeMan · « **Reply #5 on:** February 14, 2007, 09:30:33 pm »

For healthy, shiny hair

Vector_Matt · « **Reply #6 on:** February 14, 2007, 10:48:16 pm »

Quote from: "kudorgyozo"

And is there a command to change teams without quitting the game?

Yes. when you die, click the mouse to bring up the class select menu, then click back, then select a team. Or just use "/team human" and "/team alien" (without the quotes) in the console.

With enough knowledge you can even bind those commands to buttons which also set up team specific binds (build, buy, evolve, etc).

polish farmer boy · « **Reply #7 on:** February 14, 2007, 11:04:16 pm »

hide near h base and pres space / f as fast and long as u can till it will get so annoying that h head will eventually explode.

p.s. i never succeed with exploding head but i am working on it

kudorgyozo · « **Reply #8 on:** February 14, 2007, 11:51:27 pm »

wow thx alot. :eek:

Bajsefar · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2007, 07:14:03 am »

There is no one way to do it, you do not need to ALWAYS look at a humans head, instead you could look other places and concentrate on not getting stuck in stupid, deadly places while wallwalking.

Just getting a bit annoyed by all those "my way is the best" people as i was trying to state a very general list over things you should learn to do.

Also, if people say you should never ever run with a goon or alien, blast it!
Aliens are very good at running away, and you dont wanna loose a lot of evos trying for some stupid sucide group of 5 armoured humans.

Of course, you could just practice, practice and practice killing till you managed it, but the only thing you getis kill whoring.

Its all your choice how you choose to play, just get something you're comfortable with.

tuple · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2007, 12:53:34 pm »

Quote from: "tuple"

anyone who tells you differently has more experience than you and knows when they can be bent or broken. You don't have the experience needed to make that call yet. You'll know when you do.

a. I said this for a reason. Don't complicate it. He already has motion sickness to deal with :p

Quote from: "Plague Bringer"

A skilled dretch can take out a luci with little trouble.

b. On week one with a dretch? No, you can't. I can. Plague Bringer can. kudorgyozo can't on week one. Why tell him that? He'll just get slaughtered. Besides, it also takes a little luck due to the large splash damage of the lucy.

Quote from: "kudorgyozo"

i started to play a few days ago

He's probably still getting over wallwalking dretch at high speed motion sickness

so he won't be taking any lucy's out. Basic straightfoward rules that will get you kills/evols and help your team win are whats needed. If kudorgyozo wants to explore technique more deeply he'll be more active on the forums in the future

Quote from: "Bajsefar"

instead you could look other places and concentrate on not getting stuck in stupid, deadly places while wallwalking.

Why oh why must you people complicate it? WHY?

Getting stuck happens .1 times as often as losing your bearings. How do you practice keeping your bearings when the world is effectively shifting all around you? By focusing on a single point. What better point to focus on then the humans head since if you are close enough its a head shot and very likely a kill?

Lots of people have better dretching ways than me, not a single one of them has been playing for less than a few months.

Oh, and one more thing kudorgyozo, this game will suck you in like its nobody's business!

It can be fun on many, many levels. You have been warned

kudorgyozo · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2007, 04:59:28 pm »

hey, how does basilisk's

touch attack work. If I touch a human he can still move almost every time.

whitebear · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:20:22 pm »

stare at them from close range but don't stare too high.
for head shot just jump while doing the same thing

Plague Bringer · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2007, 05:48:08 pm »

Quote from: "tuple"

Quote from: "Plague Bringer"
A skilled dretch can take out a luci with little trouble.

b. On week one with a dretch? No, you can't. I can. Plague Bringer can. kudorgyozo can't on week one. Why tell him that? He'll just get slaughtered. Besides, it also takes a little luck due to the large splash damage of the lucy.

I can do it with quite a bit of trouble

. Good point tho, why tell him now what a skilled dretch can do if he isn't a skilled dretch :S.

tuple · « **Reply #14 on:** February 15, 2007, 06:21:42 pm »

Quote from: "kudorgyozo"

hey, how does basilisk's touch attack work. If I touch a human he can still move almost every time.

The basilisk can hold onto humans and keep them from moving. You use the primary attack (swipe, left mouse button by default) and you just hold the mouse button. As you swipe you will also be holding the human.

I am not very good with a basilisk, but skilled basilisks can grab hold of a human and while holding them, jump onto their head to do head shots.

Basilisks are noisy and can be easy to kill, so hide and wait till a lone human goes by and then move in for the kill.

an unarmored human can't move.
An armored human can turn a little.
A battle suited human can turn around all the way, if I remember correctly.

Loke · « **Reply #15 on:** February 15, 2007, 08:17:24 pm »

turn up mouse sensitivity if you haven't done so

dretches do damage by aiming the mouse, ie. middle of screen , crosshair position

die in a matter of seconds if you decide to move in straight lines,

so yeh, always jump and wallwalk on approach, if the human can see you, if not just run (sneaking really, dretch is silent) at him

bunny hopping (jumping like crazy) let's you move much faster, but again, don't approach in a straight line

headshots do 96 dmg on unarmored
- but still note that you still need 2 hits, unless you have poison, a human in the mean time could sprint back and just burst his rifle / shoot the lasgun and you die in ~1-2 secs

Basilisks grab by aiming as well, you've to be close up, but you can circle them whilst grabbing as well, and then rape them from behind
it's most effective on unarmored / light armor + s2 light armor + helmet

Foobicam · « **Reply #16 on:** February 16, 2007, 03:50:31 pm »

Things that haven't been mentioned yet:
1) Spec, Spec, Spec. Find the good players on the servers you're using (start with the high scorers until you learn the difference between killwhoring and skill) and follow them as spectator instead of playing. You'll learn an amazing amount of technique by observing the things discussed here.
2) Record a demo, spec'ing human and alien players, and then play it back, analyzing the good kills. Carefully watching your own misses (and lucky hits) is just as valuable.
3) At the beginning it's hard to tell the adequate builders from the brilliant ones (it's easy to recognize noobs - they're the ones who put trappers on the floor :-). Read everything you can find on building strategy, and find a good builder who's willing to take on a helper. In the heat of battle don't get creative, just repair what was already there, but in the long quiet times there's opportunity to learn how things can be improved as stages progress.
4) Don't feed! If you've been quickly slaughtered 5 times without killing anything, camp as builder until you have enough time evos to go out as a marauder, or hang back and ambush more, or find a server with players that are easier to kill. OTOH, you have to mix it up at the very beginning when the humans are weak - hesitating at the start means the other aliens evo up quickly and deny you access to easy food.

player1 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2007, 08:42:44 am »

Quote from: "Foobicam"

OTOH, you have to mix it up at the very beginning when the humans are weak - hesitating at the start means the other aliens evo up quickly and deny you access to easy food.

Learned it.

Shadowgandor · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2007, 08:42:47 pm »

My tactic: Follow a human around as a dretch, and when you see a good oppurtunity, attack and kill. Best chance would be to do a headshot against a wounded unarmored human. Insta dead

I miss tremulous :cry: , ow well, 1 week till my new comp

player1 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 17, 2007, 04:38:08 am »

Alright I'm getting the hang of the crawler classes (Dretch, Basi, Mara), but I really need help with my Dragoon. How the heck are you supposed to use this class and what the heck is it good for? Seems like the one the best players use, and hardest to master, while not always being worth the evos. What gives? Help my goon, if you please. From the ground up. How do I use this thing?

Ere · « **Reply #20 on:** June 17, 2007, 04:49:48 am »

Dragoon Tip: When you pounce, move the crosshair across the human like a sword.

Lord Baxter · « **Reply #21 on:** June 17, 2007, 06:46:35 am »

im not too good with dragoons, when i head out (as human) with helmet and light armour i inevitably get pounced and killed but when i try to return the favour as a goon i cant do it. im real good at pouncing nekkid humies though, its ftw

A_Total_noob · « **Reply #22 on:** June 17, 2007, 10:31:50 am »

Dretch tip:
(Considering we are playing on ACTS, and are zooming down corridors outside aliens base as dretch)

Constantly jump from wall to wall while wall-walking, while moving forward.
It takes practise, but believe me, after I mastered this, I am 99.5% of the time, almost literally, unkillable.

player1 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 17, 2007, 07:05:07 pm »

I found this to be useful

one question: If I grab a Human as a Basi, sometimes they can twist from my grasp, with only a helmet & larmor (not battlesuit)

also, when I jump up to headshot they are free to shoot me, even though I had them in my grasp

I note that landing above them or on their head and looking down is a great way to kill humans as a basi or mara

also, basis and maras are especially useful for jumping past human defenses and getting to vulnerable structures which you can hide behind while you destroy them, especially the Armoury....

Re: GOON hints - OK I know about the sword-slash pounce thing but I just can't gauge how long to charge the pounce and whether or not the combo long distance pounce-jump-triple leap will actually launch

also I heard about jumping over humans and looking down as an effective pounce?

tell me the secrets of the goon squad

me am sucky at goonage

but not half bad as basi/mara

A_Total_noob · « **Reply #24 on:** June 17, 2007, 08:29:20 pm »

Goon tips ?

Uh..

Im actually quite good as a goon, but to be honest, I dont think I have many tips for 'goonage'.

All Ill basically say is:

Dont attack groups unless its a bunch of UnnamedPlayers with Rifles.
Generally, any more than 2 people I would say is a 'no-no'.

Whenever you even slightly begin to feel you may become worm food, pounce away ASAP, and most importantly, around corners, so they have a hard time shooting you.

Dont rely too much on the pounce.

Look slightly up when slashing to get that all-important head slash.

Stay around corners.

Avoid Pulses, chainguns, and flamers (with bsuits) AT ALL COSTS (I know you may doubt the flamer, but with experince from both sides, I can tell you a flamer can grill a goon within under 2 seconds. Only take on a flamer if you know what you are doing)
Only attack them if they are isolated, and seem like they have taken a beating.

...and thats pretty much it.

player1 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 17, 2007, 08:44:00 pm »

It seems like Humans attacking in groups have a better chance than Aliens attacking in groups. Aliens seem to slash each other just as much as the Humans, and even though Humans shoot each other, they don't get the debilitating friendly slash.

If I risk my basi or mara, it either has to be for a key structure (like the Armoury), or I'll just slash my way thru a party of Humans, slighty ahead or behind the goons and rants, and wait for my evos, knowing I've wounded a bunch of enemies who'll soon die (I love to spread poison in a bunch of s3 hummies, knowing big Aliens are about to close in). I also like to open doors for sniping Adv Goonz (but I'll try to get in a slash on the most forward Human before the turrets get me, so when his buddies FF him in the back, I still have the satisfaction of knowing he died spewing poison). I like to crawl or walljump around above head level, looking for that loner with a machine gun who tried to trail the melee for some easy creds...

Anyway, basi is fun, and mara is great once you get the hang of it, so I'll try to be more patient at waiting around corners as a goon and taking on the first human who comes by without a shotgun, a pulser, or a flamer (or friends).

4RT1LL3RY · « **Reply #26 on:** June 18, 2007, 05:28:09 pm »

I know some tips for the goon. If you do one slash right before you charge your pounce, you will do a slash as soon as you pounce, giving you a very good combo against light armored humans. It works with adv goons too. Plus then you can add in a barb for extra measure. The slash happens as soon as you lunge so you need to be very close for it to work well. Also, when its S2 of less for humans, keep a basi near you, they grab you finish. You basically become their meat shield, but it makes getting kills much easier. As long as you have a good basi and not a newb one.

player1 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 02, 2007, 11:07:06 pm »

Quote from: "4RT1LL3RY"

I know some tips for the goon. If you do one slash right before you charge your pounce, you will do a slash as soon as you pounce, giving you a very good combo against light armored humans. It works with adv goons too. Plus then you can add in a barb for extra measure. The slash happens as soon as you lunge so you need to be very close for it to work well. Also, when its S2 of less for humans, keep a basi near you, they grab you finish. You basically become their meat shield, but it makes getting kills much easier. As long as you have a good basi and not a newb one.

It's nice when I'm basi-ing if some Aliens assist with the kills. I'm glad somebody else noticed what basis do best. I'll stay low and grab the Human. You go high and slash his head, not mine please. Add dretches for flavor. Alternate maras with goons for variety. Nice hallway swarming technique. Works well when basi remembers to wallwalk and attack from blind spots.

janev · « **Reply #28 on:** July 04, 2007, 12:00:23 pm »

:eek: Plague i wouldn't test that dretch vs luci tactic against a skilled luci wielder

Plague Bringer · « **Reply #29 on:** July 04, 2007, 05:16:52 pm »

Yeah, I've improved in skill a lot since I made that post, both in dretch and luci, I see the flaw there.

Works great vs newbies with a basi though.

Sometimes.

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Author Topic: I need some help with aliens (Read 20579 times)

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