God Bless The U.S. of A.

[KobraKaine]

Hmm you're right there . Fact: USA has trillions of debt.

Mhmm.  2 trillion to foreign powers, and 6 trillion to interests inside it's borders.  Who was right?

*cough* I believe it was me.  Thanx for the unexpected backup, Plague.

[sleekslacker]

Pretty sure we don't owe Japan anything.  (except for maybe Nagasaki and Hiroshima...    )

You believe it was you ?
You have no right to brag about that.

[Plague]

http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt  

Half of those numbers are decreasing, if you'd take the time to actually look at the site.  And with a little over half a trillion as our largest foreign debt, it hardly proves a point.

Umm, if you had bothered to look at the Grand Total, you would have noticed that the amount of foreign holders of Treasury Securities has increased by $70 billion.  Now that number doesn't seem like a lot, but that's just the amount of debt that foreign nations control, that doesn't include debt in the US.

As for 'hardly proving a point', wait until a foreign debt holder decides to recall their loans.  Uh oh.  American dollar drops, stocks and assets drop, jobs are lost, government spending on things such as education, medicine, even National Security, all drops.

[Anansi-Sama]

http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt  

Half of those numbers are decreasing, if you'd take the time to actually look at the site.  And with a little over half a trillion as our largest foreign debt, it hardly proves a point.

Umm, if you had bothered to look at the Grand Total, you would have noticed that the amount of foreign holders of Treasury Securities has increased by $70 billion.  Now that number doesn't seem like a lot, but that's just the amount of debt that foreign nations control, that doesn't include debt in the US.

As for 'hardly proving a point', wait until a foreign debt holder decides to recall their loans.  Uh oh.  American dollar drops, stocks and assets drop, jobs are lost, government spending on things such as education, medicine, even National Security, all drops.

You are forgetting the trillions of dollars spent on military presence in Europe, during the rebuilding period after WWII.  The U.S. has for than paid back her debt to Europe in the time she spent rebuilding all their ungrateful asses (after saving half of them, and kicking the asses of the other half).  Wierd how people forget that it was the nice, strong, U.S. dollar that rebuilt Germany and brought it to its current stability.  The nice strong U.S. dollar that was only spent in Germany because America was being "World Police"  over there.

And about a foreign lender calling back their debts?  What about the debts that foreign countries owe to us?  You'll find that pretty much everyone in the world except I believe Poland, and a few other countries, owes everybody else.

that doesn't include debt in the US

Duh.  Most of the United States debt is to herself.  So why does everybody keep citing this as a valid point?  The U.S. government owes the people a whole pissload of money.  And yet the people are some of the most well off in the world.  Often times people cite these debts as one big lump sum, forgetting that the National Debt is composed of thousands of transactions that happen all the time.  The debt will eventually be paid off.  Until then, the high American standard of living isn't going to suffer.

[floodbud]

If we are in 8 whatever trillion dollars of debt, then why do we still have the most stable economy in the world?  Remember the Depression came because other countries didn't pay back our debt, so really it's your fault.

BTW, the Government is in that much debt, not the general economy.  They are not connected in any way.  I think if we got rid of those spend-happy Democrooks we wouldn't be in this much debt.

US does rock.  I believe in God personally, but I guess you're entitled to your piece of hell if you want it.

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[KobraKaine]

If we are in 8 whatever trillion dollars of debt, then why do we still have the most stable economy in the world?  Remember the Depression came because other countries didn't pay back our debt, so really it's your fault.

BTW, the Government is in that much debt, not the general economy.  They are not connected in any way.  I think if we got rid of those spend-happy Democrooks we wouldn't be in this much debt.

US does rock.  I believe in God personally, but I guess you're entitled to your piece of hell if you want it.

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I frickin' love you.

[Lucifer]

Oh this thread is so funny.  Forgetting that the economy will crash soon, forgetting that we are losing allies I still want to leave as soon as possible.  Consider that in a nuclear war no one has time to figure out who is attacking who so everyone launches at who they think may attack them.  That means just about anyone will be launching at least a few missiles at the US.  of course all the other mainlands will be glassed slag heaps but the US will be little better.  If you want to live to see the year 3000 move to a small island in the pacific.

[KobraKaine]

Oh this thread is so funny.  Forgetting that the economy will crash soon, forgetting that we are losing allies I still want to leave as soon as possible.  Consider that in a nuclear war no one has time to figure out who is attacking who so everyone launches at who they think may attack them.  That means just about anyone will be launching at least a few missiles at the US.  of course all the other mainlands will be glassed slag heaps but the US will be little better.  If you want to live to see the year 3000 move to a small island in the pacific.

*Cough* Um, if you're voting age, may I venture to guess from your highly unamerican attitude and your godless name that you are an aforementioned "Demcrook?"

And if, by some odd chance you aren't voting age... why the fuck are you even posting here?  And do you smoke weed?  Because that's bad for your health...

[Lucifer]

*Cough* Um, if you're voting age, may I venture to guess from your highly unamerican attitude and your godless name that you are an aforementioned "Demcrook?"

And if, by some odd chance you aren't voting age... why the fuck are you even posting here?  And do you smoke weed?  Because that's bad for your health...

I find it odd that a name which means "bringer of light" that was given to an angel would be godless.  On politics I don't vote for either on one side you have people trying to screw you over and on the other people who manage to do it out of incompetence.  And with the current american attitude I am glad not to have it.  Also coughing so loud is bad for your health, don't you know you could throw a lung or something?[/quote]

[Confess]

Side Point: Its nice to know that there are level headed non-libs on this forum.

Anyways, the few trillion dollars we owe isnt really a lot. We could pay it off in 4 years, max, if we tried. But the government is debting itself for one reason: To increase foreign economies.

If you are posting in here about budget, and yet you yourself have never handled a job, or you yourself have never held down a sturdy budget system, please, speak no more. If you're unsuccessful in your own budget, who are you to speak?

[Xonya]

How many people really nowadays thinks that GOD is gonna save us? Oh pleaZe, step up from your primitive thought patterns already...

[n00b pl0x]

IF GOD DIDNT SAEV HIS SON Y WUD H3 SAEV US??!??!??! HA DOASNT INTERVAN3 NOBS!!1!1 OMG WTF

[Kaleo]

32 Murders a day in the US

[Lord Baxter]

11,000 + gun deaths a year

[floodbud]

IF GOD DIDNT SAEV HIS SON Y WUD H3 SAEV US??!??!??! HA DOASNT INTERVAN3 NOBS!!1!1 OMG WTF

God saved us by not saving his son.  I don't think God will step in on our economy more than necessary (I do believe in miracles).  We could get out of debt if we wanted to, but then the rest of the world would have a Gynormous Depression.  So we won't, we're too nice.  And we can blow you up if we want to (see the Canada vs. USA thread).

God save the president.

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[floodbud]

If we are in 8 whatever trillion dollars of debt, then why do we still have the most stable economy in the world?  Remember the Depression came because other countries didn't pay back our debt, so really it's your fault.

BTW, the Government is in that much debt, not the general economy.  They are not connected in any way.  I think if we got rid of those spend-happy Democrooks we wouldn't be in this much debt.

US does rock.  I believe in God personally, but I guess you're entitled to your piece of hell if you want it.

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Floodbud

I frickin' love you.

We could use a little love around here... :[

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[rdizzle]

I have never seen so much ignorance, and general stupidity contained in one thread, outside of the billion noob pl0x impersonator spam threads.

I'm flaming all of you, and myself for having posted here.

[Survivor]

How many people really nowadays thinks that GOD is gonna save us? Oh pleaZe, step up from your primitive thought patterns already...

Of course i'm not going to save anyone.

[AKAnotu]

i love how everyone's flaming liberals for emptying the treasury, even though the debt started during a republican congress with a republican president. makes you wonder why people are so surprised that america is falling behind in education
ps. there is no god, get over it

[KobraKaine]

i love how everyone's flaming liberals for emptying the treasury, even though the debt started during a republican congress with a republican president. makes you wonder why people are so surprised that america is falling behind in education
ps. there is no god, get over it

Wait, wait... don't tell me.  You and Al Franken are butt-buddies, right?

[floodbud]

i love how everyone's flaming liberals for emptying the treasury, even though the debt started during a republican congress with a republican president. makes you wonder why people are so surprised that america is falling behind in education
ps. there is no god, get over it

Just because you don't want to be responsible for your actions, doesn't mean you can walk around saying n00bish stuff like "there is no God"...if no God, how was the Earth created?  And if you say the big bang, I'll have to ask you to prove that it is even possible for energy to spontaneously appear (out of nowhere?!) and for no reason expand, and then for no reason turn into matter.  There must be a God.

And liberals suck, so there.

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[rdizzle]

i love how everyone's flaming liberals for emptying the treasury, even though the debt started during a republican congress with a republican president. makes you wonder why people are so surprised that america is falling behind in education
ps. there is no god, get over it

Just because you don't want to be responsible for your actions, doesn't mean you can walk around saying n00bish stuff like "there is no God"...if no God, how was the Earth created?  And if you say the big bang, I'll have to ask you to prove that it is even possible for energy to spontaneously appear (out of nowhere?!) and for no reason expand, and then for no reason turn into matter.  There must be a God.

And liberals suck, so there.

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Floodbud

Please stay off the internet until you have at least experienced life until the ripe age of 25.  Saying there is no God is not "noob"; arguing that there is a God by way of a circular argument is.  Also, just because you don't personally know a shit licks worth of physics, quantum mechanics, or have never read a single dissertation on string theory, doesn't mean that Joe Schmoe Atheist is as ignorant as you.  Please, do not talk about things you do not understand.  Read, learn, take a logical falacy class, and then come back and we'll argue about morality, the existence of God, et. al.

Seriously.  Get. The. Fuck. Out.

[tuple]

I think if we got rid of those spend-happy Democrooks we wouldn't be in this much debt.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Aside from the fact that all the politicians are guilty of it, the greatest increase in government debt has been from Reagan, Bush and Bush, the last of whom was under a Repub controlled congress!

Nice job towing the company line though.

[Xonya]

To AAaameerica!!1

[David]

The dow hit 13,000 today.
However much debt your in, your economy is still better than ever before.

[ShadowNinjaDudeMan]

What the hell is with everyone being so serious about this topic, it was made by a silicon arsonist for morons to fan the flames.

[floodbud]

i love how everyone's flaming liberals for emptying the treasury, even though the debt started during a republican congress with a republican president. makes you wonder why people are so surprised that america is falling behind in education
ps. there is no god, get over it

Just because you don't want to be responsible for your actions, doesn't mean you can walk around saying n00bish stuff like "there is no God"...if no God, how was the Earth created?  And if you say the big bang, I'll have to ask you to prove that it is even possible for energy to spontaneously appear (out of nowhere?!) and for no reason expand, and then for no reason turn into matter.  There must be a God.

And liberals suck, so there.

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Floodbud

Please stay off the internet until you have at least experienced life until the ripe age of 25.  Saying there is no God is not "noob"; arguing that there is a God by way of a circular argument is.  Also, just because you don't personally know a shit licks worth of physics, quantum mechanics, or have never read a single dissertation on string theory, doesn't mean that Joe Schmoe Atheist is as ignorant as you.  Please, do not talk about things you do not understand.  Read, learn, take a logical falacy class, and then come back and we'll argue about morality, the existence of God, et. al.

Seriously.  Get. The. Fuck. Out.

So you're a child molester, then?

circular arguments, where?

It really doesn't matter what you think, God's watching you and guess how happy he must be about you saying he doesn't exist?

And who sez I'm not 25?
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[Plague Bringer]

Just because you don't want to be responsible for your actions, doesn't mean you can walk around saying n00bish stuff like "there is no God"...if no God, how was the Earth created? And if you say the big bang, I'll have to ask you to prove that it is even possible for energy to spontaneously appear (out of nowhere?!) and for no reason expand, and then for no reason turn into matter. There must be a God.

I'll have to ask you to prove that it is even possible for a spiritual being to exist and create matter.

[KobraKaine]

Please stay off the internet until you have at least experienced life until the ripe age of 25.  Saying there is no God is not "noob"; arguing that there is a God by way of a circular argument is.  Also, just because you don't personally know a shit licks worth of physics, quantum mechanics, or have never read a single dissertation on string theory, doesn't mean that Joe Schmoe Atheist is as ignorant as you.  Please, do not talk about things you do not understand.  Read, learn, take a logical falacy class, and then come back and we'll argue about morality, the existence of God, et. al.

Seriously.  Get. The. Fuck. Out.

Wow, 100+ words in that post and you didn't prove anything.  Lemme see... you flamed him because you think you're older and therefore smarter than he is, you flamed him for his religious beliefs, you flamed him for not being a rocket scientist (Also, just because you don't personally know a shit licks worth of physics, quantum mechanics, or have never read a single dissertation on string theory), you flamed him for NOT SHARING your beliefs (doesn't mean that Joe Schmoe Atheist is as ignorant as you.  Please, do not talk about things you do not understand.), and then you put the finishing touches on it by asking him not to even reply (Seriously.  Get. The. Fuck. Out.)

Ok, I think I got most of it pretty well summed up.  And he's the ignorant one here?

At least he makes an argument for what he believes, and tries to back it up.  I'd like to see you make a few claims that are backed up with some form of fact or evidence...

[KobraKaine]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Aside from the fact that all the politicians are guilty of it, the greatest increase in government debt has been from Reagan, Bush and Bush, the last of whom was under a Repub controlled congress!

Nice job towing the company line though.

Hmmm, maybe you should visit the library of congress sometime, take any form of US history class, or at least watch the history channel for God's sake.  Does the name "Franklin Delano Roosevelt" ring a bell?

Google it, and then come back here and post your findings on what political party he belonged to, and what the national debt was before and after his presidency.