Luci spamming?

[Time_Traveler]

Hello friends,

I was playing tomorrow a session in which I was kicked for using luci.

So now I wonder about the "luci spam" and is it legal.

It would seem there are two possibilities:

1) fire luci all the time untill out of ammo, and all is fine

2) write "lol Im using my luci", then fire it a lot, and in 5-15 seconds see a
F1=YES F2=NO kick: yourname for "lucispam"

Game developers / admins, either decide lucispam is unethical (what about blaster-spam, chaingun-spam, plasmagun-spam, dretch-spam, tyrant-spam?) and block it by making luci reloadable or lower ammo load
-or-
state once and for all that using any weapon is ok always.

On a related issue, building indestructible objects is not ok? Then fix maps which allow that (like building egg or turret inside a box so it cant be destroyed).

[^Black]

It's part of the game. People are just going to have to deal with it. I don't like getting chomped in one hit by a goon at s1, but I don't votekick people who do.

[Plague Bringer]

Why is there a Tyrant penis in the top left of your signature?

Anyway... back on topic; Firing full charged lucis is way more effective then spamming smaller shots, the small shots are simpily a waste of ammo. People who complain are idiots.

[David]

Building in boxes is bad, but on some maps there is no choice.  The building is on top of the box, only the model sinks.  Shoot at the top and your fine.

[Howitzer]

I find it unethical because it doesn't help the game progress in the way it should.

Luci spamming is primarily used as a way to fend off aliens from the base by aiming the spam at the base-entrance.
That way, no aliens can get in and if FF is on, no humans can get out.

This defeats the purpose of the game to destroy the enemies base.

[whitebear]

Avoiding luci is easy as hell... people who complain about luci spam are anoying whiners. Dretch head bites from floor is the same. Balance design flaw of developers.

[Lava Croft]

In my view Lucispam is only an offense when the spamming is a hazard to the rest of the team, something which more often than not is the case.

[The MC Horton Crankfire]

Avoiding luci is easy as hell... people who complain about luci spam are anoying whiners.

Not even remotely true. There's plenty of times when I can't get around luci spam in a tight corridor or some such, or when I'm near an alien with a shotgun or something and someone with a luci runs up behind and shoots me in the back of the head trying to get at it.

Really, I'd almost say the secondary fire should just be done away with altogether.

[Diggs]

Avoiding luci is easy as hell...

I have to agree with Crankfire.  It's the luci spam from your own team that is the worst.  Sometimes I get killed as much by the luci spammers as aliens.  Even when FF is off, the noob cannons knock me into the claws of a tyrant or twist me around so bad I can't get a decent shot off before getting killed.

And, if you use the argument that since the developers put it into the game you should be able to use it, that is a call of the server operators.  After all, the developers also put TKing and deconning into the game.  Maybe you think you should be able to do those also?

[player1]

You are able to TK and decon, just like you said. It's whether or not you choose to do those things. It's in the game; make your peace with it.

I think whitebear meant it's easy to avoid as an alien. As a human, it sucks when your team is spammy, but then you shouldn't build a base with only one exit. In a neutral area, or the enemy base, if I had a shotty, I'd watch the luci guy's back, and stay behind him, if possible. If he's a spammy noob, some alien will end his lucifest. Or you can try another hallway.  :wink:

[Diggs]

if I had a shotty, I'd watch the luci guy's back, and stay behind him, if possible.

Hmm... That would put me on top and to the rear of the reactor (lol), not my favorite place to play the game.   :wink:

(But seriously, I understand your point.)

[f0rqu3]

luci spam is not spam
it is the way luci works
fire and pray
fire more and pray less

[Caveman]

@OP, You don't need to wonder any longer.
If you can't abide the rules on the server you are playing, turn off your computer.
But do not come here on the game-forum to ask if it is legal.

YES, outlawing luci-spam is legal

Get over it.

[B1ackmagic]

@OP, You don't need to wonder any longer.
If you can't abide the rules on the server you are playing, turn off your computer.
But do not come here on the game-forum to ask if it is legal.

YES, outlawing luci-spam is legal

Get over it.

Despite the attidude,
Caveman is correct and saying that this is a decision
which is made by the server admins on each server.
You should always attempt to follow the rules for
the server you are on.  If you want to play
on a FF server that does not outlaw luci spaming,
come to the [OPP] server. Purposeful TKing
will get you kicked however.

overall note:
random firing of any weapon, esp the lcannon,
will get your own team angry at you.  If you
are purposefully hitting them, you deserve a kick
or ban.  If you are not, you should try to win
this TEAM GAME by not hurting your cause.  Pick
a weapon that is less dangerous to teammates
and aim more carefully.  As with everything else,
practice makes perfect.

~ B1ackmagic

[Caveman]

roflol
I show an "attitude" when a moron comes asking a stupid question w/o using his brain and gets and answer he could have gotten for free?

[Plague Bringer]

Firing full charged lucis is way more effective then spamming smaller shots, the small shots are simpily a waste of ammo. People who complain about/outlaw spamming are idiots.

[player1]

Firing full charged lucis is way more effective then spamming smaller shots, the small shots are simpily a waste of ammo. People who complain about/outlaw spamming are idiots.

self-QFT!

[yetshi]

luci spam is defined as any luci shot charged or not that hits an alien because the alien was too stupid to dodge the slow moving projectile.

this definition only applies to those who are in the above category.

[Lord Baxter]

on the subject of ways to stop luci-spam, considering that it fires burning balls of superheated energy why does the lucifer cannond not overheat? perhaps making the player take damage if he/she fires it too many times over a period of time

[daenyth]

A more sensible definition of spam is firing ANY gun blindy, hoping to hit whatever comes around the corner or down the hallway. Using alt fire on luci is hardly spam, IF the shots are aimed. Really, the only time alt fire hurts you as alien is if you are dretch. Even then it's not so hard to dodge. prifle spam is much worse.

Sometimes its a sound tactic, to cover your teammates moving down a hall, but most of what you see are just new players who don't understand how the game works trying to up their killcount by hiding behind turrets and going with "spray and pray" because they are too bad at the game to go toe-to-toe with aliens.


tl;dr version: STFU and get over it.

[[Kcorp]Noobius]

other than the fps lag that tons of luci buggers creates it's mostly harmless fun. lasgun spam however, especialy on a server with FF off, does tones more damage - think about 10 people spamming lasguns into a corridor and tell me the aliens can dodge that.

[flamebait]
i'd make lasguns cost 600 and luci 150 and available at s2
[/flamebait]

[Jamppa]

i think theres nothing wrong with lucy spam.

[kevlarman]

i think theres nothing wrong with lucy spam.

i think it's stupid on the part of the spammer (where luci spam is sitting in your base and spamming an entrance, i don't consider emptying 50 ammo into the overmind as fast as you can to be spam). all it does is stall the game to the point where neither team can go anywhere (humans can't leave because of spam and camping goons/tyrants, large aliens can't make it past the spam to attack).

[Stof]

All those who say humans cannot get out because of the spammer are wrong. It only takes one carefully placed lucy ball to make the spam stop. And if FF is off, it's even better since you only need to jump in front of the spammer to teach him a lesson

[a Turret]

on the subject of ways to stop luci-spam, considering that it fires burning balls of superheated energy why does the lucifer cannond not overheat? perhaps making the player take damage if he/she fires it too many times over a period of time

great idea, kind of like the plasma rifle in the halo series,

[Meticulo]

Well from my personal experience there are two kinds of luci spammers:
(1) n00bs = These guys just spam luci into empty halls hoping to scare aliens away or hit something, it can also be a pyschological feeling of power by spamming lots of giant glowing balls of death
(2) Luci-Masters = These guys know how to use the luci, they ussaully wait for the primary fire (beep) before they fire. These guys are pros. Console gets flooded with multiple messages "playerX 'felt the full force/caught in the fall out' of playerY's lucifer cannon. These guys can hit flying maraders with ease. Unfortunetly these good players also frusterate good/n00b alien players. The alien that was hit by a lucifer cannon will /callvote kick PlayerY PlayerY is lucispamming. The vote will likely get passed.

I am a decent wielder of luci, having hit a few flying maraders with it using primary fire. One day a player, part of a clan, named Nemo, is owning the game. He is the score leader etc. I finally get my trusty lucifer cannon (lcannon) and i get a few aliens. Infact I dethrown him entirely. I slay his tyrant 3 times in a row and he gets mad. So he calls a vote. "kick player -$$-Meticulo|1 reason luci spamming". Of course I know I wasnt lucispamming since I strictly wait till beep before I fire (even for dretchs). So the vote gets passed, I was pissed, but this happens all the time to us good players.

[tuple]

It's not just good lucy players that get lots of kills in a shot.  It is also often the kill whores looking for groups of aliens.  They may intentionally be trying to get a lot of kills, or they may just be distracted by dretches.  If I see lucy's coming to the base, I'll dretch them, particularly from the walls.  If they are distracted by me, then I don't have to worry cause though they may be good using a lucy, the don't know how to play tremulous .  If they aren't distracted by me, then I know that our base is in trouble and that this person understands the game.

note: A key trick in dretching lucy's is wall jumping.  In the ATCS halls you can wall jump from one side of the hall to the other.  Back and forth, back and forth.  Humans have a very hard time tracking you, and they end up wasting lots of lucy ammo, ammo they should be using in your base  Wall jumping is a great way to get out of harms way when faced with a lucy.  Don't get me wrong, you'll still die, but you'll last longer and waste more of their ammo when trying to defend base.  (Wall jumping is also a great way to cause crossfire)

[Xonya]

It depends how you use your luci, are you shooting with no sense at all or actually killin aliens.

For expamle:

1. Sitting in base shooting entrances is BAAAD
   ->you damage attacking or retreating humans or might even TK them
    --> I use it when aliens rush and base is in low def

2. You use luci in base with no aim and damage base is spam, and Xael in base is totally spam

Basically Lucispam is part of the game, which i approve, but you have to have some sense of using any gun you are given..


And last

Learn how to BUILD, not DECON

[Diggs]

Basically Lucispam is part of the game, which i approve, but you have to have some sense of using any gun you are given..

Maybe yes, but I just come from a game where player ClickBoom stands on the arm for most of the game continuously firing at an entrance and says he is defending the base.  Never an alien in site and when I say something about it, it is me that is the bad guy and he starts spamming me so I can't get ammo (FF off).  Time to support a different server I guess.

[n00b pl0x]

when you shoot luci down an empty hall hoping some unsuspecting alien will run into it before your teammate does, you should get kicked.