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Nux

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« on: June 05, 2007, 01:00:45 am »
I've seen a few ways people have avoided vote-kick. Just now for example a guy called 3 was causing trouble. When people tried to vote-kick 3 they would start a vote for whoever the 3rd player listed would be.

After frustrating alot of people so much that they decided to leave, I managed to start a vote-kick against him. The trick was he had foolishly coloured the 3 red so all I had to do was type

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/callvote kick ^13

He was promptly voted out and currently hold a ban for.. 2 minutes  :-?

Anyone got any other stories about pesky vote-kick evaders?
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Plague Bringer

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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2007, 01:02:26 am »
!listplayers

*scroll*
*scroll*

14 - Unknown Player 3

/callvote kick 14

[H]{MMD}Bringer{L}: Owned, bitch.
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Nux

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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2007, 01:03:50 am »
Quote from: "Plague Bringer"
!listplayers

*scroll*
*scroll*

14 - Unknown Player 3

/callvote kick 14

[H]{MMD}Bringer{L}: Owned, bitch.


I think Gnud tried that before leaving..  He kept calling votes but for some reason it kept coming up with other people. I on the other hand couldn't do '!listplayers' because that particular server doesn't allow it for players with my level.
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n00b pl0x

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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2007, 04:53:44 am »
Quote from: "Nux"
Quote from: "Plague Bringer"
!listplayers

*scroll*
*scroll*

14 - Unknown Player 3

/callvote kick 14

[H]{MMD}Bringer{L}: Owned, bitch.


I think Gnud tried that before leaving..  He kept calling votes but for some reason it kept coming up with other people. I on the other hand couldn't do '!listplayers' because that particular server doesn't allow it for players with my level.


dont play s11
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Eeeew Spiders

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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2007, 11:30:00 am »
Nux, why were you in S11? You traitor! :P
TimeTraveler did some griefing stuff. Would continue to reconnect just before getting killed and do stuff like

/callvote kick <other-player> for reconnecting

and succeeded at it. Since he succeeded, I think the server deserved him. And to tell the truth, I still sometimes chuckle about it. Sad was that it made that perticular server unplayable with him around and he managed to ruin some nice games.
I think what this tells us is that the client/server still has some flaws that make it easy for these kind of griefings, and these examples of griefing exposes this flaws which should make it easy to fix them.
For example, to kick by slot number it could be implemented like

/callvote kick <playername>

or

/callvote kick #<slot-number>

the hash mark would make it less abuseble.
Other option would have been a to dissalow certain names (forcing a disconnect), like names starting with a digit or names shorter than 3 letters.
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Nux

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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2007, 11:43:46 am »
Quote from: "Eeeew Spiders"
Nux, why were you in S11? You traitor!


When did I say I played on s11? I've never heard of the place >.<

Not sure what n00b pl0x is talking about.
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benmachine

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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2007, 12:14:01 pm »
Umm, /callvote clientkick might be what you are looking for
Oh and in emergencies you can use /serverstatus to find a clientnum instead of listplayers, but it's not as reliable.
We had a 3 the other day too. The server actaully had some quite intelligent people on it though, so we votekicked him about five times in a row before he'd even entered the game. Eventually he gave up.
The whole process was made somewhat easier by his tendency to reconnect in playerslot 3, but the first couple of times /callvote clientkick 12 worked just as well.
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Nux

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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2007, 04:07:42 pm »
Hmmm, that's good then. The only trouble is when it's not common knowledge how to employ alternative means the majority of gamers will have trouble removing the trouble-maker.

..Are you implying I'm not intellegent because I didn't know about this yet? :P I think you mean 'knowledgable'.

Anywho I'll look into this 'clientkick' thing thanks.
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Lord Baxter

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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2007, 12:33:11 pm »
kicking by slot numbers = win, no more despairing when deconning noobs copy the names of legitimate players.

is it possible to make GUID's mandatory or some other id thing? like a /find ip command or something?

btw, could someone explain how to get a GUID?
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Nux

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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2007, 12:51:30 pm »
Quote from: "Lord Baxter"
kicking by slot numbers = win, no more despairing when deconning noobs copy the names of legitimate players.


You seem to have missed the point of my original post. This person used the fact you can kick by slot number. When trying to kick by name..

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/callvote kick 3

..the cmd would interpret that as a slot number and call a vote for the person who happens to be in slot three.

!listplayers
1.  Nux[F]lame
2.  3
3.  UnluckyPlayer

UnluckyPlayer called a vote.

Kick UnluckyPlayer? Yes:1 No:2

UnluckyPlayer: WTF?
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Lakitu7

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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2007, 01:47:28 pm »
I've been kicking around the idea to just disallow any name that's just a number < 100. I need to go ahead and make that...
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2007, 02:25:24 pm »
No just disallow number only names....
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2007, 02:59:40 pm »
Why? Noone has slot numbers > 100. There's no difficulty in banning them if there's no slot/name confusion.
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Raytray

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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2007, 08:37:51 pm »
Quote from: "Lord Baxter"

btw, could someone explain how to get a GUID?

How to.
GUID download.

Why not just disallow two or less characters name. Not counting colors.
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2007, 08:41:42 pm »
What if someone comes up with a way to disallow kicking by slot if !listplayers isn't available to every one?

The knowledgeable players (forum goers) will know that if they can't !listplayers they can safely call to kick the person by name. If they can !listplayers they'll kick by slot.

The previously stated ideas'd probably be easier though.
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Lakitu7

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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2007, 09:00:12 pm »
If admins disable !listplayers it's their own damn stupidity when their server gets overrun by griefers.
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Plague Bringer

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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2007, 09:17:50 pm »
Pol doesn't seem to care.

He only does it so he can't get votekicked. >_>

Anyone think of banning the S11's from the master server?
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2007, 09:18:06 pm »
If a admin level doesn't have list players, doing !listplayers should display a list of slots and names, minus the other info.
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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2007, 09:48:22 pm »
Quote from: "Plague Bringer"
Anyone think of banning the S11's from the master server?

And have him go register with another host and be right back? No thanks.
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Plague Bringer

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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2007, 09:52:08 pm »
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Anyone think of banning the S11's from the master server?


And have him go register with another host and be right back? No thanks.
Good point.
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Nux

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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2007, 10:27:02 pm »
Quote from: "Eeeew Spiders"
For example, to kick by slot number it could be implemented like

/callvote kick <playername>

or

/callvote kick #<slot-number>

the hash mark would make it less abuseble.


The trouble there is what's to stop them from calling themselves '#<slot-number>'. The flaw won't have gone.

Is there a simple way of not allowing any misinterpretable strings in your name?
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Raytray

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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2007, 10:38:19 pm »
Quote from: "David"
If a admin level doesn't have list players, doing !listplayers should display a list of slots and names, minus the other info.
I assume you mean /serverstatus instead of second !listplayers.
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2007, 11:11:12 pm »
This guy's a noob, he made a myspace to brag about shit: http://www.myspace.com/3pwnt  

If you get tired of him then just place a subnet ban on 86.31.
That's his ip range. He's been impersonating admins on SST and got himself a subnet ban.

Names:
3
kerwans
clam
rlx
[>-] Rose'PF

IPs:
86.31.140.13
86.31.140.213
86.31.140.82
86.31.138.61
86.31.142.175
86.31.136.83
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2007, 11:21:43 pm »
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This guy's a noob, he made a myspace to brag about shit: http://www.myspace.com/3pwnt  

If you get tired of him then just place a subnet ban on 86.31.
That's his ip range. He's been impersonating admins on SST and got himself a subnet ban.
why would you ban a /16 when it's obviously a /21?
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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2007, 11:22:58 pm »
Came on sst, now subnet banned.

All admins who can subnet ban, add 86.31. to your admin.dat or whatever.
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« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2007, 12:21:03 am »
That Numbskull xD He even had a bind that posted his name in ASCII (Red Three).

To think he's gone to all this trouble making a point about his RED 3 when- using the fact that the three is red -you can callvotes on him. xD
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« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2007, 12:24:45 am »
Ownt.
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« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2007, 04:21:28 am »
Quote from: "kevlarman"
Quote from: "TinMan"
This guy's a noob, he made a myspace to brag about shit: http://www.myspace.com/3pwnt  

If you get tired of him then just place a subnet ban on 86.31.
That's his ip range. He's been impersonating admins on SST and got himself a subnet ban.
why would you ban a /16 when it's obviously a /21?

Come again? Tremulous doesn't do subnet bans nicely, it goes by blanks, not ranges.
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« Reply #28 on: June 07, 2007, 04:24:49 am »
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Quote from: "kevlarman"
Quote from: "TinMan"
This guy's a noob, he made a myspace to brag about shit: http://www.myspace.com/3pwnt  

If you get tired of him then just place a subnet ban on 86.31.
That's his ip range. He's been impersonating admins on SST and got himself a subnet ban.
why would you ban a /16 when it's obviously a /21?

Come again? Tremulous doesn't do subnet bans nicely, it goes by blanks, not ranges.
that's what iptables is for
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Ok let's plan it out. Asva, you are nub, go sit on rets, I will build, you two go feed like hell, you go pwn their asses, and everyone else camp in the hallway, roger?
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« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2007, 05:02:25 am »
Quote from: "kevlarman"
that's what iptables is for

Or R1Admin  :P
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