The State of North American Clans.

[AppleJuice]

Something must have happened.  A month or two ago there were several good clans, all of which had regular scrims.  What happened to all the North American clans?  I barely see more than 3 members of a clan on at the same time anymore, and if they are on, they refuse to scrim.

I suppose this post is a plea for good players to join together and form more good clans.  The Tremulous clan scene in North America is dying.

[Evlesoa]

haha...

Im a so-so player compared to the really 1337 players like LLJK What?

and ive seen SOME, i noticed <|LS|> around but they suck... Rev are also around, and {LOW} are ok... but then again i have no clue what i just said lol

[_Equilibrium_]

NT having a hard time finding clans to scrim hmm? many clans are not very competitive. you could try finding SGA, OPP, or Saint. They will probably agree to scrims. AoD and NULL too.

[AppleJuice]

Yes, those clans would agree to scrim (except AoD).  I'd love to scrim them again.

I just never see more than 3 of their members online at the same time.  At least not recently.  (Well OPP, yes, but we live in different time zones, making it a bit difficult).

So I guess there are 1-2 active, scrimming clans other than NT.

That's not much.

[Smokey]

Something must have happened.  A month or two ago there were several good clans, all of which had regular scrims.  What happened to all the North American clans?  I barely see more than 3 members of a clan on at the same time anymore, and if they are on, they refuse to scrim.

I suppose this post is a plea for good players to join together and form more good clans.  The Tremulous clan scene in North America is dying.

Zilla died. To be honest, we really did spark an interest in clanning, which is what I wanted to do. People had some assholes who they wanted to show up.

Hence why I loved people hating us

[Raytray]

Umm... we're scared?
Nah, we'll scrim you guys later. Just need to find us at the right time.

[mooseberry]

Zilla died.

Go scrim a dead clan! I hope you win.

[Plague Bringer]

I've seen some people going around with Zilla tags still.

[mooseberry]

Hmmm... I've never.

[Ceaser342]

Bodyorgan never go around to changing it and neither did Mantra

[mooseberry]

I've seen body without zilla tag...

[jit]

yea most members in Xil- aren't very active.

Mada- iplay everday
Yarou - plays everyday
Gambit - still in school and finals is 2 days away so he's busy
Anger - has problems with internet isp cus his internet was down 3 days str8
Yahoo - idk where the hell he is :roll: last time i saw him he was using diff alias.

[player1]

but then again i have no clue what i just said

maybe that should be your sig
 :roll:    :eek:  

[mooseberry]

Instead: I have no idea what you said, but I hack.

[AppleJuice]

PLEASE stay on topic.

I agree with Smokey.  Zilla was the clan to beat, and inspired players (at least me) to improve to their level.  It left a void in its place.

Thanks Raytray. =D Fun scrimming you guys.

And yeah, if Xil could just recruit one more active member that would be excellent.

[mooseberry]

If we did this than maybe we would see more members.

[player1]

Could somebody who knows who the active clans are list some of them and the time zones most of their members live in? I'm wondering if there could be a couple of clan conferences, based on time zone, and a monthly match of the best clans from each region? Just like in football/basketball/baseball/hockey, with regions/conferences/divisions, possibly corresponding to timezone/region/locality. Maybe East, Central, Mountain & Pacific? Matches at 8pm local time, on clanservers/pubservers/neutral hosted servers? 2 to 4 clans per region, maybe a redistribution of nine clans leads to three regions, Left Coast, Heartland, Right Coast, or something. 3v3s & 5v5s, something doable, twice a week. One tourney a month, for regional winners. Just blowing smoke, 'cuz I ain't got a website, a forum or a server. Seems like it could be a cool idea. If it weren't for all the Smokey controversy, I thought Trem League could've been a cool idea.

3v3 to scrim (best of 5)
5v5 to match (best of 3)
5v5 for tourney (best of 7)
play as Humans/Aliens, then again as other side, on:
ATCS
ATCSCargo
ATCSZalpha
UTCSb

if needed,
winner picks faction (loser picks map if applicable), on:
Karith
Niveus
Nexus

[AppleJuice]

Thanks for your input, player1.  Unfortunately, while that may work in other games, I don't think Tremulous has a large enough nor strong enough player base to have such a league.  Basically, it'll be three to four clans.

I think the most active North American clans right now are:
NT (east coast)
OPP (west coast, I believe, or mountain?)
Xil (east coast as well, I believe)
SGA somewhat
AoD (doesn't scrim though)
LOW
NULL

That's all I can think of right now.

Still, I really hope you can prove me wrong.  It'd be great to have such a league.

What I'm asking for...seems a bit stupid, I guess.  I basically want the entire Trem community to stop fooling around, improve their skills, and form good *competitive* clans.  It probably won't happen.

[KamikOzzy]

Sometimes in the past I've been asked to clan war and I said I was busy...I really do prefer to be left without an agenda sometimes. In an effort to get me to scrim, people so often use the words ''fun match'' or ''just a scrim.'' Now, these I like. The pressure's off, and I can enjoy playing a full game with no interruptions by inexperienced players. However, if we're having one of these matches, I expect it to be played as such...

Why in a ''fun match'' do teams camp for evos, hold out 20 minutes for SD, and killwhore beyond stage three, if it's only ''just a scrim.'' We scrimmed NT, you guys got s3 humans on our s1 aliens, and we had no evos. GG....I thought....man did that game drag out to all 50 minutes. What a waste of an hour. and that's only one round.

If you guys want no-pressure, fun games that can be enjoied, I'll have one daily...but if you want a full-fledged zilla-certified clan match masked as a scrim, I can't waste my whole evening like that. Trem is what I do when I'm off work, baseball is over, and I'm dead tired. I want to relax and enjoy myself, not make a computer game with pink lasers into a stressful ordeal. Once a month on all-out clan matches is about all I can take.

Much to your enjoyment, I'm sure, applejuice, I'm building a couple teams now that actually like clan matches, and I'm sure you can look them up more often than you could convince me. Recruiting Elmo, and Suvi's return should serve as building blocks for our new team. I pretty much suck, and need to stay out of clan matches whenever possible, so having those two around now will certainly give us a boost by letting me sit out.

As for three members barely? On any given night, I see Green, Freak, Bezerk, Mexel, Suvi, Elmo, Rush, Ziggie, and of course I'm there. We're more than active. Where is everyone else? :cry:

[Oa.shi.n]

What I'm asking for...seems a bit stupid, I guess.  I basically want the entire Trem community to stop fooling around, improve their skills, and form good *competitive* clans.  It probably won't happen.

What you're asking for is only a small miracle. You're asking for people to take a GAME a little more seriously, but just making it sound spiffy with big words and small complaints ().

Not everyone who plays this game wants to be competitive. That's the whole reasoning. It's a game. It's meant to spend time having fun with like-minded people (i.e. Other FPS/Computer game fans) not stressing about "Dude, we need to scrim. We'll be labeled as an 'inactive clan.' Come on. Let's go scrim and get our asses kicked/kick some ass." I don't see that happening anytime in the near future.

[AppleJuice]

I know it's a game, and people play it to relax.  But I have fun and relax mainly through competition in which the results don't really matter (unlike competition in real life).  Perhaps I'm different than everyone else.  I don't really enjoy public games anymore, because it's somewhat repetitive now.  Everyone's good with a goon, with a pulse, with a shotgun, with a tyrant, etc.  At least in clan wars there are multiple strategies one may employ.

Nevertheless, thanks Ozzy.  That's reassuring. And for the record, we were trying to kill your base the whole game (eventually ran out of credits), so either we sucked at doing it, or you built a very good base. Scrim us again, I think we've improved a lot (in terms of speed and efficiency).

And when I said active clans, I meant active scrimming clans.  I know AoD is active.  Actually, since you're apparently forming teams, I recant my former statement.  AoD is probably the most active clan.

[Dracone]

Apple, OPP's being out of our timezone isn't the reason we don't really scrim them though. It's because Beerbastard and I agreed at our last encounter that 3 on 3's are biased towards aliens badly because of our strategies. So I'd rather, if Beerbastard agrees with me on this, wait for 4 or 5 players from each clan before we scrim again, get a good, larger scrim.  :wink:

Ozzy, I am sorry about scrims like those. If there's one thing I can admit, it's that we still absolutely positively suck ass at basekilling when we're humans. We didn't want to camp, but we had to as we were too far down on credits and you had eventually reached S3 at about 25 minutes. We had to both not die and starve you all because our 3+ attacks on your base had all failed. Sorry to have taken the fun out of competition for you guys.  

I will say though that yes, a lot of clans have become far less competitive. As SOON as a third member of NT gets on, they start a non-stop wailing like a room of dying babies, "SCRIMMMMMMMMM! SCRIMMMMMMMMMM!!!" I love that, I think I've been successful in making my clan a competitive one. But then the part comes where I spend about 60% of my time on Trem looking for a scrim, and I usually can never find one. If I DO find a clan with people on, the likelihood is that they'll say no. It's tough, but I guess that's the way things are going right now...

But...I am absolutely PISSED at the people who say, "No, we won't because you'll own us." If you give that as your excuse, your clan probably sucks so much that everyone will own you and you will never have a scrim/match. You can't improve without experience, so get over your pathetic reasoning and play.

One last thing...I think I should be sorry for annoying all of the clans out there when they have 3 people on. I am a bit too enthusiastic about getting scrims. Don't expect me to stop, though. If you have 3 people from your clan in a server, and I come in, I won't be asking for anything but a scrim, unless I know you can't have a scrim, ex. 3 AoDs but no leader, I won't ask.

[BeerBastard]

Also this last week football just started for me. So i dont even get home until 8:30 pst, and am not on until 9pm pst.  

I think it was very obvious how unbalanced a 3v3 is in our scrim. So I dont scrim unless we have at least 4 on.

We have alot of members on vacation, it is the first real week of summer.

[FreaK]

We should have a tournament of some sort, that would be fun.

[player1]

@experienced clan skirmishers & matchplayers:

What size teams and which maps would you guys suggest for a balanced game?

Say, 5v5 on any of the trainers (ATCS, ATCSzalpha, ATCSCargo, UTCSb)?

Also, what do you think of the relative balance of any of the default maps for scrim skirms (and what team size would you recommend)?

@BB and Drac: how did the 3v3s play out and what map?

I only ask because I seriously have very little experience of the scrim/match scene or even anything approximating it (although Ozzy does have a little 3v3 and PRO or somebody like that used to do it too and once in a while COM or SGA would let me play long enuff to get destroyed).

[Smokey]

i wish dracone would be an asshole, that would help the clan community.

[benmachine]

(ATCS, ATCSzalpha, ATCSCargo, UTCSb)?

Those are all human-biased maps (well, I haven't played the middle two, at least not for a while, and you couldn't force me to with a big stick, but the first four letters say it all tbh) UTCS in particular is nightmarishly small for the average alien team.

I suggest niveus, karith mostly. ATCS is ok, but just remember that the short resupply journeys and lack of hiding places do tip the balance in the humans' favour.

This is all IMO, of course...

[jit]

Xil (east coast as well, I believe)

Yea I don't know. 1 member lives in the East coast, and me and anger live in central timezone and 2 others idk yet.

[player1]

Xil (east coast as well, I believe)

Yea I don't know. 1 member lives in the East coast, and me and anger live in central timezone and 2 others idk yet.

I wonder how many clans are cross-time-zone, and if they have trouble getting members together because of it?

[BeerBastard]

4v4 atcs is the best balance I have seen. 5v5 maybe but that makes humans easier.

In a clan scrim it is not human stacked. In clan scrims we use FF, which counters unlagged because it keeps spam down.

I have the demo of our scrim vs Nt. I only will post if Dracone wants it posted.  Its from my point of view ofcourse. Nothing special on it except aliens win both teams.