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Tremulous 1.2 will be released in less than..

one week
8 (7.5%)
two weeks
0 (0%)
one month
2 (1.9%)
two months
7 (6.6%)
four months
5 (4.7%)
six months
15 (14.2%)
one year
10 (9.4%)
two years
14 (13.2%)
vaporware
45 (42.5%)

Total Members Voted: 96

Voting closed: July 13, 2007, 11:36:31 pm

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Plague Bringer

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #120 on: December 29, 2007, 06:00:30 pm »
That's exactly true, the complainers don't understand how much work goes into it, therefore they believe that there is very little. I don't know if you've noticed, but there is very little physical evidence that anything has been done recently. I don't notice any difference between }MG{Dev and the old TJW's server except for the dodging ability. In a few months, that's very little to show.
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kevlarman

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #121 on: December 29, 2007, 09:07:19 pm »
you act like all the changes on tjw's server happened overnight.
Quote from: Asvarox link=topic=8622.msg169333#msg169333
Ok let's plan it out. Asva, you are nub, go sit on rets, I will build, you two go feed like hell, you go pwn their asses, and everyone else camp in the hallway, roger?
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Lakitu7

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #122 on: December 29, 2007, 10:19:51 pm »
The changelog from tjw to mgdev is almost as long as the changelist from svn to tjw.

As always, most things are number changes, but new barricades, new MD changes, and tyrant crush are all pretty major non-tweak things.

mana

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #123 on: December 31, 2007, 08:44:59 pm »
The dev team, if it indeed is a team, seems headless and the people feel that. A pitty but look at the number of votes for vapourware.
Comparing non offical ports, tags or individualy branched trem code just doesn't make it better.

Please think about us.

Happy new year

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Sanity

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #124 on: December 31, 2007, 09:30:08 pm »
Im sure everyone has other things to do?

Wait for Trem 1.2..

Not hard.. lol

When it comes out enjoy it.

Yeah, just wait for it, the only thing i ask is for retards to stop saying its coming out next week only to find out they were either bullshitting or its been delayed another few years.

tuple

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #125 on: December 31, 2007, 10:30:44 pm »
actually, thats an old joke.  I believe it is that tremulous is coming out thursday.  No mention of which thursday ;)

Once again, free game.  Please send all complaints in with your donation.

Bunneh

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #126 on: January 01, 2008, 08:18:53 pm »
Once again, free game.  Please send all complaints in with your donation.

Ah...I see.

*Dons Flame Ring found in the Final Dungeon of the Tremulous Internet Forums*

Time to go play Natural Selection. After all, it was the source of inspiration for Tremulous, plus it's on a better engine with an adequate development team.

FLAMETHROWER MAH TYRANT ARMEH, BUCKOES!

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Bunneh: I'll admit that I really love attentionwhoring like this.
Plague Bringer: Here's some attention for you. Look! I've got a video of Bunneh in his true form running around in public, molesting random people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZONFBqPosXw
Bunneh, you should be ashamed.
Bunneh: No, PB, that's not me. I'ma pink Bunneh. Bluebunneh is the stupid icecream faggot down the street.

http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=6840.0

kevlarman

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #127 on: January 01, 2008, 08:24:29 pm »
Time to go play Natural Selection. After all, it was the source of inspiration for Tremulous, plus it's on a better engine with an adequate development team.
either my sarcasm detector is malfunctioning, or this is one of the dumbest things ever said on the forums to date (quite possibly both at the same time come to think of it)
Quote from: Asvarox link=topic=8622.msg169333#msg169333
Ok let's plan it out. Asva, you are nub, go sit on rets, I will build, you two go feed like hell, you go pwn their asses, and everyone else camp in the hallway, roger?
the dretch bites.
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Plague Bringer

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #128 on: January 01, 2008, 10:23:25 pm »
It's oddly accurate, however. At least NS 2 is showing some major development.
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FreaK

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #129 on: January 01, 2008, 10:27:36 pm »
Once again, free game.  Please send all complaints in with your donation.

Ah...I see.

*Dons Flame Ring found in the Final Dungeon of the Tremulous Internet Forums*

Time to go play Natural Selection. After all, it was the source of inspiration for Tremulous, plus it's on a better engine with an adequate development team.

FLAMETHROWER MAH TYRANT ARMEH, BUCKOES!

 :tyrant: :tyrant: :tyrant: :tyrant: :tyrant: :tyrant: :tyrant: :tyrant: :tyrant: :tyrant: :tyrant: :tyrant: :tyrant:
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Is this really needed? Good go leave tremulous we dont want you here anyway.

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #130 on: January 01, 2008, 11:07:11 pm »
lol, to misquote...
"another idiot bites the dust"

Bunneh

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #131 on: January 02, 2008, 06:33:54 pm »
"Psst...just between us, this was a weakling attempt at using the dev team's hatred of being compared to NS to get them to actually DO something for Tremulous and its community...psst...that's just between us."
Bunneh: I'll admit that I really love attentionwhoring like this.
Plague Bringer: Here's some attention for you. Look! I've got a video of Bunneh in his true form running around in public, molesting random people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZONFBqPosXw
Bunneh, you should be ashamed.
Bunneh: No, PB, that's not me. I'ma pink Bunneh. Bluebunneh is the stupid icecream faggot down the street.

http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=6840.0

Caveman

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #132 on: January 02, 2008, 06:47:50 pm »
Since they are not really reading here, you phail.

Diggs

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #133 on: January 02, 2008, 06:51:02 pm »
And this thread continues to roll along I see....

When does the thread that starts with "OMG - You Changed my Beloved Tremulous" start.  Or "WTF - You nerfed my Tyrant" or "Oh Noes - You made the hitbox smaller on the Dretch."

Everyone is so eager to have 1.2 yet so very few have tried the proposed changes.  I can hear the screaming already.  Sigh....
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benmachine

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #134 on: January 02, 2008, 10:23:44 pm »
Half the reason work on 1.2 is so slow is because the community is so ungrateful and insensitive. Faced with attitude like that, why should they even bother?

Antagonising those few that haven't already got sick of it and left is not really a fantastic plan, imo.
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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #135 on: January 02, 2008, 10:37:31 pm »
word.

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #136 on: January 02, 2008, 10:53:35 pm »
Half the reason work on 1.2 is so slow is because the community is so ungrateful and insensitive. Faced with attitude like that, why should they even bother?

Antagonising those few that haven't already got sick of it and left is not really a fantastic plan, imo.

If your comments were aimed at me, then I apologize that you did not accept my sarcasm as it was intended.  My point being is those that waited the longest and were the most vocal for 1.2 to come out will be the first to criticize the changes even though they did not offer feedback when they had the chance.

I have tried many of the changes that have been piloted on TJWs server.  I have been able to give feedback to Lakitu7 (and others) on some of the excellent work he is doing.  And I not only financially support several Tremulous servers, I have repeatedly donated to the developers. 

Ungrateful?  No, not in the least.  My comments it appears were mis-construed.  For that I apologize.
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benmachine

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #137 on: January 02, 2008, 11:25:38 pm »
No, MY comments were misconstrued. I was not aiming at you at all, Diggs :)

I apologise for making you feel the need to apologise.
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temple

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #138 on: January 03, 2008, 03:06:53 am »
Half the reason work on 1.2 is so slow is because the community is so ungrateful and insensitive. Faced with attitude like that, why should they even bother?

Antagonising those few that haven't already got sick of it and left is not really a fantastic plan, imo.
And turning up your noise to your community doesn't help.

People only bitch and moan because they actually *like* the game.  Its like this, bitching and moaning is better than talking to no one.  In fact, personally, I have recruited people to tremulous and have been waiting to do it again when I have to something to tell people.  Right now, all I can is 'one day'.  And I've been saying that for months. 

tuple

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #139 on: January 03, 2008, 11:35:12 am »
No, people post here at all because they like tremulous.  People bitch and moan because they are ungrateful.  Not only has noone here paid for this game, they also have no idea what kind of work is involved in building a project like this.  They additionally don't have the slightest idea how this stuff gets done.

Think about it.  Make a minor change to the code.  build.  Test locally.  Doesn't work.  Sift through code to try to figure out why.  Remake minor changes to the code, possibly into major changes.  build.  Test locally.  Submit patch.  Someone else builds locally.  Someone else tests locally, but they have a problem.  Goto step 1.  This continues until there are thousands of lines of code, if not more.  No doubt a coder could give more realistic steps which would make this list even uglier.

Could anything here start to seem time consuming?  Do you realize that the time consumed is someones free time, NOT yours?

So basically, you all are complaining that someone else isn't using up their free time to build you a video game for you to play during your free time.  To that I say, Piss Off.

Wanna go play NS?  Fine, go curse them with your presence.  You'll be bitching about their game in under a month.

temple

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #140 on: January 03, 2008, 12:03:36 pm »
No, people post here at all because they like tremulous.  People bitch and moan because they are ungrateful.  Not only has noone here paid for this game, they also have no idea what kind of work is involved in building a project like this.  They additionally don't have the slightest idea how this stuff gets done.

Think about it.  Make a minor change to the code.  build.  Test locally.  Doesn't work.  Sift through code to try to figure out why.  Remake minor changes to the code, possibly into major changes.  build.  Test locally.  Submit patch.  Someone else builds locally.  Someone else tests locally, but they have a problem.  Goto step 1.  This continues until there are thousands of lines of code, if not more.  No doubt a coder could give more realistic steps which would make this list even uglier.

Could anything here start to seem time consuming?  Do you realize that the time consumed is someones free time, NOT yours?

So basically, you all are complaining that someone else isn't using up their free time to build you a video game for you to play during your free time.  To that I say, Piss Off.

Wanna go play NS?  Fine, go curse them with your presence.  You'll be bitching about their game in under a month.
This is really funny.  If you or whoever wants to be appreciated, charge for Tremulous then.   If what is going is great that us lowly peasants should be 'grateful', then why not stick a price on it?

And another question?  If I was to donate $50 to the Tremulous developers, does that mean I can bitch all I want? 

tuple

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #141 on: January 03, 2008, 03:11:44 pm »
Uh, we're all peasants, thats the whole point.  Quit bitching about the other peasants that you THINK are on a pedestal.
Nice to hear you've donated though.  So that would make the total donations something like $350, if my memory serves me correctly (which frankly, it often doesn't :) ).
Incidentally, since when has whether or not you've donated made any difference in whether or not anyone will bitch?  Hmm?  I've donated a little, I don't bitch to the people I've donated to.  In fact, I feel grateful for what I've been given, and guilty that I haven't donated more.   Others on the other hand bitch endlessly, complaining that they wouldn't donate unless tremulous improved, but doing nothing to help improve it.  take take take.

I've yet to see anyone ask for appreciation, but I've seen lots of good people limit their involvement due to the sheer volume of bitching by people who couldn't be bothered to send $5 their way edit: much less stop complaining about a free gift!

Expecting appreciation is not the same as not wanting to listen to a constant stream of bitching.
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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #142 on: January 03, 2008, 04:13:12 pm »
tuple, while i also not like bitching, and i applaude the developement efforts, i don't think that the creators of Tremulous are kind of SantaClauses.
there can be various purposes for making a free game, with various benefits.
e.g. if someone wants to work for big gaming companies, can have reference by a game of his own, or can gather other guys to work with.
bitching just happens, wonder free gifts not.

so new release should be positive for both the gamers and the devs.

plus many players also give not just take. like maps, bots, ideas, fanart, short stories, etc. (that the developers haven't seen i guess).
wel,l others who dont want to sacrafice their wannabe-talents, should donate ^^

but "...and guilty that I haven't donated more" is a bit too edgy ;-)

btw can you imagine the bazillion X bitching-multiplyer if the game wasn't free? ;-)
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tuple

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #143 on: January 03, 2008, 04:57:18 pm »
Nah Optimus, when I say donate, I really mean time/money/help/maps/anything.  Lots and lots and lots of people donate, now and in the past.  I am greatly appreciative to them all, for they give us all a little bit of their lives.  Everyone donating even a little of their time/money/skill leaves all of us with that much more to enjoy.

Lots of people have ulterior reasons for helping a free project, but that doesn't change the fact that we have received the fruits of their efforts at no cost other than agreeing to a rather open license.  I guess I don't see people complaining as relating to the developers/contributors, but as relating to an individual's appreciation for a free gift.  Not a small gift either, I can't imagine how long it would take me to type up pages of text equivalent to the amount of code in trem, or creating the maps that are available, or building all of the various tools and mods that are available.

And its all free.  I can't think of a good reason why anyone would complain.

And then I see all of the people who were kind enough to donate having to slog through the complaints of those who haven't.  It frustrates me.

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #144 on: January 03, 2008, 05:13:30 pm »
And its all free.  I can't think of a good reason why anyone would complain.
And then I see all of the people who were kind enough to donate having to slog through the complaints of those who haven't.  It frustrates me.

A long time ago, I wrote a free modification to a program, distributed it for free with documentation on how to set it up, offered with no warranty, and my email address if someone had questions.

My only mistake was offering my real email address.

Now and then, out of the many many people who downloaded the module, I'd get a couple "Hey, this is great" emails.  But the majority of the emails ranged from "this dun work" from people who didn't read the documentation to flames and screams from people likely incapable of understanding documentation let alone reading it.  Those who asked nicely got a reply, and I think they all got it working, but those who whined and moaned usually got null-routed.  One in particular I took pleasure in berating back, pointing out his own personal inadequacies and how worthless he must be for berating someone who worked quite a few hours on a project, without pay but for the love of it, and gave it to him for free with instructions on how to set it up, and then expecting - nee demanding - that the same person fix it for free and as soon as yesterday.

Okay, so you think development is going slow.  What are you doing to help it?  You think there should be a new release, or should have been one already.  What have you done to move that process forward?  Have you beta tested what's available and offered input, or at least played so statistics can be generated?  Have you built new kickass maps for the next package?  Have you written documentation that a drooling idiot can understand, but a FPS pro won't get bored reading?  Or have you sat behind your keyboard in sweatpants that haven't been washed in weeks with a Mountain Dew stain on your teeth, callouses on your right hand and a stench that could make a skunk blush and whined and moaned that shit's not happening as fast as you'd like so everyone must be st00pit?  Now think of it this way - if every day when you woke up, someone looked at you and said, "You're a worthless piece of shit, you'll never amount to anything, just stay in bed and die 'cause you aren't useful for more than fertilizer, and marginally so at that," would you get to a point where you just don't care anymore and couldn't be bothered doing anything?

Now get this.. with all that crap that gets thrown at the developers, many of them are still working.  They may not be fully visible, they may not be giving feedback, they may not be tossing around ideas and showing off new features, but they've also not cleaned out their code repo and washed their hands of the whole thing.  They're putting up with the slings and arrows of all these idiots, and still moving forward with their ideas - arguably, and understandably a bit slower than before, but I don't see you doing anything to help.

This isn't to say you shouldn't ever say bad things.  "I think <some feature> is overpowered/sucks/whatever" is feedback, and something which can help to balance things out if discussed.  But if all you're going to do is post to increase your post count here and/or whine about what's happening and when (or what's not happening and for how long), then the best part of you was a stain on the mattress and you're not good for much else.  Go rot in a ditch with your thumb up your ass, and the rest of us will enjoy the game that comes out when it's damned good and ready - and enjoy the one we've been given in the mean time.

Note that "you" isn't referring to anyone in particular, though I could probably come up with a list if I felt like being bothered :P

tl;dr? Be nice, be useful, or FOAD.
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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #145 on: January 03, 2008, 07:36:05 pm »
its no surprise people are whining, its human nature. people have invested time just playing the game, if they think whining is going to help them get a new version, of course they will whine.

if the devs did occasionally say something people would whine less.

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #146 on: January 03, 2008, 09:31:07 pm »
something

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #147 on: January 03, 2008, 09:39:46 pm »
Ah, Im feeling better already!
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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #148 on: January 03, 2008, 10:43:59 pm »
Well I love Tremulous.  Tremulous is like that weird girl that other guys don't notice but I do.  Nobody really understands what you like about it but I don't need to explain.  Tremulous does movement as a gameplay element far better than any FPS I've played.  And Tremulous does melee vs range combat far better than any other competitive game. 

But I think the problem I have is....about a year ago TJW came out with that 'Pre 1.2' patch and server.  It looked like 1.2 was right around the corner.  Now, the community or devs are back to secrecy.  I know C++ pretty well but never applied to to a major project.  But at the same time, I've never read any posts on here that
  • Asked for help
  • Described how to help
After the whole TJW thing, I just said 'fuck it' and decided let the devs do what they want.  It doesn't really seem like anyone wants any help or feedback. 

Its a big 'oh fuck you' moment when people (defenders of the devs or whoever) is all like 'we work so hard and you don't deserve us' type of bullshit.  If money mattered, I would gladly give at least $50 just on principle.  I work, I buy other games. I'm about to drop $600 on parts for a new PC.  But I know, just like you know, that donating money will buy me the same thing that bitching on the forums will.  Nothing. 


I just want to clarify my point because people are already acting like voicing your opinion and disappointment are somehow makes you a 'complainer'.  No, the improvement is taking forever and we don't get any feedback other than 'check the SVN'.  Well shit, if I or anyone else complaining could understand the SVN in the first place, we wouldn't be complaining.  Either ask for help, help people help you, give some meaningful feedback, or anticipate fans (that you created) to be a little 'miffed' at the lack of feedback.

Bottomline, I'm just as frustrated as you.  But whatever, thanks for the good times in the past. 
« Last Edit: January 03, 2008, 10:45:48 pm by temple »

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Re: tremulous 1.2 will be released in ???
« Reply #149 on: January 03, 2008, 11:19:29 pm »
You're disappointed, because you expected something. That was your first mistake. 1.2 might be rubbish, or it might never come. Either way, you will have been given something for free.

Suppose 1.2 was cancelled tomorrow. You paid for nothing. You contributed nothing. So how can you be upset when you get nothing in return?
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