State of the forum

[Plague Bringer]

It's better than DincoX's.

[Lava Croft]

It's better than DincoX's.

Better than SkyCastle too.

[Plague Bringer]

It's better than DincoX's.

Better than SkyCastle too.

And what did I do to deserve that flame? You haven't heard from me for a few days, and you haven't seen or heard of any of my mapping projects in over a month. I'd appreciate it if you'd finally show some maturity and grow up. The fact that you are a moderator does not give you the right to blatantly flame and discriminate against me at every possible chance you get with no good reason, much less no reason at all.

This community's maturity, along with it's behaviour and manners is in a state of sever decay. Show some respect. Show some maturity. That goes out to all of us. Grow up. This community is horrible in comparison to that of some other games I play. I mean absolutely horrible, the mods are, for the most part, argumental and rude. So are most of the average forum goers. Don't even get me started on the state of the ingame community. Where's all the "gg"'s after a game? Tremulous is full of sore loosers, griefers and cheaters, not to mention the generally rude people.

[tehOen]

This community's maturity, along with it's behaviour and manors is in a state of sever decay. Show some respect. Show some maturity. That goes out to all of us. Grow up.

coming from a 14 yo spammer boy I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off

[rapha]

This community's maturity, along with it's behaviour and manors is in a state of sever decay. Show some respect. Show some maturity. That goes out to all of us. Grow up.

coming from a 14 yo spammer boy I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off

Great, do you feel better now?

[tehOen]

This community's maturity, along with it's behaviour and manors is in a state of sever decay. Show some respect. Show some maturity. That goes out to all of us. Grow up.

coming from a 14 yo spammer boy I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off

Great, do you feel better now?

I dont think stating the known facts make you feel better
so no

[Thorn]

It's better than DincoX's.

Better than SkyCastle too.

And what did I do to deserve that flame? You haven't heard from me for a few days, and you haven't seen or heard of any of my mapping projects in over a month. I'd appreciate it if you'd finally show some maturity and grow up. The fact that you are a moderator does not give you the right to blatantly flame and discriminate against me at every possible chance you get with no good reason, much less no reason at all.

This community's maturity, along with it's behaviour and manors is in a state of sever decay. Show some respect. Show some maturity. That goes out to all of us. Grow up. This community is horrible in comparison to that of some other games I play. I mean absolutely horrible, the mods are, for the most part, argumental and rude. So are most of the average forum goers. Don't even get me started on the state of the ingame community. Where's all the "gg"'s after a game? Tremulous is full of sore loosers, griefers and cheaters, not to mention the generally rude people.

http://www.quake3world.com - Now be quiet with "Immaturity" please.

[Kaleo]

http://www.quake3world.com - Now be quiet with "Immaturity" please.

Lol. First post I clicked on turned into a flamewar in about 3 posts.

[Thorn]

Just venture in the void

[Plague Bringer]

http://www.quake3world.com - Now be quiet with "Immaturity" please.

I could give you a list of forums the length of my arm that would make this place look like hell in comparison. Shall I?

You guys are seemingly so against spam, flaming, and the like, yet that's nearly all you do. Even player1 has succumbed to such behavior.

[Survivor]

You hurt me at my core thorn. Well no actually. LEM and T&T far surpass the help forums here while at q3w you have some interesting flamewars and chops every now and then.
From what I've seen here most members complain about the tiniest comment, have a truckload of hypocrisy on them at all times while making sure they don't need to burden themselves with intelligence or logic and far too few treat this forum for tremulous instead of a the weak interego community it has become in the last few months.

As for you plague bringer. You say

And what did I do to deserve that flame?

To which I say

It's better than DincoX's.

If you must call him on something don't do it on a veiled criticism that was actually justified and made fun of your comment because you did not do anything constructive with it.

Maturity doesn't come in a few months. It doesn't come in years and when I see this board I am sure it's far off for some of you. You have not acted mature in the past months and as such any ethical call from a supposed moral highground is a joke.

I also made the following statement quite clear a few months ago in another 'boo moderator' discussion.
As long as someone who is a Moderator does not use rights allotted only to Moderators he is effectively acting as a member and free to speak.
He flames you, and you flame other people. He can hardly discriminate since he has not used his moderation powers on you.

This community is in the state it is in because of people like you, who wanted to highlight the spam going on by becoming the biggest spammer and worsening the problem. When we called you on that you said you did it in good faith. But I say you were a pain in the ass and on occasion now still are.
You say the mods are for the most part argumental and rude. This is because we are an authority which is not considered as such by the members and they ask us to explain our actions. I did so on numerous occasions and still got doubted. As for rude, the only mod I can think of of falling completely in that category is Lava.
The rest of us is simply getting bored by the masses of people who think they are the bee's knees or other various areas of arrousment of this community. We are acting faster and without even bothering to justify our actions since you continue to doubt them after practically all our assumptions are proven correct. We would be within our limits to close and/or delete any and all cheat topics yet we let them go, knowing they will end up in a flamewar against evlesoa or null or providing references to the cheats. We, and I specifically warned numerous times against using the names of aimbots so that people at least couldn't find them that quickly. But the members continue to ignore it.
Every half-decent topic at start, will within 15 posts turn to respones containing waffles, rofl noob, ouch you burned me with that flame, why did/didn't the mods do anything about this or reference cheat sites.
There has been a request from someone who said the community wanted more moderators, but the fact is our team is large enough. We are about the only group that sticks to the rules, both those which apply to all and the minimum moderation rule we have to follow as moderators.
And you ask where have all the gg's gone? I say shite to that. I and many others will call it a good game when it was one. I hate it more when people say gg because 'it is the thing to do at the end'.

You are throwing hypocritical dungheaps around but the only thing you are hitting is the things you say you want cleaned.

[gareth]

only one thing for it: gg

*dont take it so seriously, if you do just contribute to the perceived problem  :roll:

[Plague Bringer]

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Since my debates and arguments in question are generally considered spam, shit, or useless, Im not even going to bother. The rules? If the rules allow everyone to blatantly flame with no (good) excuse (I'm talking about flaming Evlesoa in every legit topic he makes without him doing anything bad in a week), then the rules need reajusting. I was making a comment on DincoX's map, if you could call it that, because both maps are very similar in their lack of (good) texturing, and their emptyness, yet DincoX's is just a load of brushes, that makes it less (read: not) playable, which in turn, makes it worse. Skycastle had bad gameplay, but neither the aliens nor the alien base were in direct danger at stage one all the time, it also had textures, whereas Das Konstruckt has no textures, and is basically an empty box. Therefore, SkyCastle, however shitty a map it is, is better then (the publicly available) Das Konstruckt at this point in time.

True, maturity doesnt come in a few months (you're assuming, however, that the maturity hasn't been lying in wait to come out) neither does the intellegence to not feed trolls, which, I might point out, is what Lava (and his band of cretins, who, suprisingly, haven't been around telling us of any more of their "religious" clans [ look for a locked topic in Clans if you forget what I'm talking about]), Forqu3, and the rest troll feeding members of the community have been doing over the past few months.

Every half-decent topic at start, will within 15 posts turn to respones containing waffles, rofl noob, ouch you burned me with that flame, why did/didn't the mods do anything about this or reference cheat sites.

This is what I'm talking about, and if it's a flamewar, or all out spam, Lava will most likely join in, if only for a moment, to flame me, Evlesoa, or just to say something rude about a map or clan, without being constructive at all.

Also, about constuctiveness, where is it? How many moderators actually help people? I've seen you, Survivor, help people a lot, without being overly rude, or rude at all. I've seen Kevlarman occasionally offer a word of advice, or help with a technical problem, but that's it for the mods. In the community, Dracone helps whenever he can in my experience, I help with the topics I believe I can help figure out, or atleast apply a quick fix for, Player1 helps the newbies when he's not flaming Evlesoa for no apparent reason. Who else? I can't think of many other people, that being said, I haven't been around as much so I forgot who was helpful and flamey, not to mention I came back to almost every member of this community being assholes.

Indeed, my points seem hypocritical. Hell, from what you've learned from me they are, but dungheaps they are not. I have valid points, here. Yeah, I know. No one gives a fuck, no one cares, because you're closed minded, and always right. You're not open to the idea of being wrong, and you're sure as hell not open to the idea of me being right.

If you've taken the time to read that fully, which I highly doubt anyone has (why read if you can skip right to the flaming), then you should know what I mean by lack of maturity. I mean there's too much damned flaming for no reason, every thread turns into shitspam, barely anyone helps anyone else, and lastly, you're stuck up.

ps. By the "gg", I meant, there are no good games. There's always a sore looser, or worse, a sore winner. There's usually a feeder or deconner, and there's almost always some other form of griefer, whether that be an aimbotter, wallhacker or anything else you can imagine.

[AKAnotu]

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i have to agree with you 90% plague. however, I have found tuple to be helpful as well, and lava gives help somewhere in the OMG UR NOOB post. I think the main problem is that the rules for the forum are EXTREMELY loose, and that the forum admins aren't allowed to ban people from the site. On the flaming part, it's called CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM people, as in, you point out what's wrong and offer help. However, when the map is as bad as the recent ones, there's not much that you can say thats constructive besides "don't have a map that's just one hollow brush.

[player1]

@OP: You succeeded in making a Matrix-like box. I personally thought the Matrix was shite, so I won't be playing this map. Mostly because it hurts my eyes. Glad you had fun with it, and it's way better than any map I never made.

@Plague Bringer: Your righteous indignation has reached epic proportions. Come back in off that windowsill and stop trying to best Lava & f0rqu3 at the sarcasm game. You're just making yourself madder. As far as the community goes, let me just paraphrase Theodore Sturgeon. 90% of the Tremulous community may be shit, but then 90% of everything is shit. Your youthful idealism was once refreshingly cute, like a happy bunny or a playful puppy. Your newfound jadedness is also cute, but more like a lonely weed growing up through cracked pavement in an abandoned lot full of wrecked cars. Oh and Good Flame! Now drink your Ovaltine and get some rest. Missing your nap has made you cranky.

P.S. Evlesoa deserves constant flaming, never doubt that. He's a fucking griefer, and a hacking loser, never forget it. Anytime he tries to insinuate himself into this community as some kind of useful member of society, remember that it's just a dodge to distract from that fact. Don't be taken in.

P.P.S. It's been at least a week since I did that, too. But who really gives a rat's ass?

P.P.S.S. How did I get singled out? Was I once the epitome of polite discourse?

[Seffylight]

@Plague Bringer: Your righteous indignation has reached epic proportions. Come back in off that windowsill and stop trying to best Lava & f0rqu3 at the sarcasm game. You're just making yourself madder. As far as the community goes, let me just paraphrase Theodore Sturgeon. 90% of the Tremulous community may be shit, but then 90% of everything is shit. Your youthful idealism was once refreshingly cute, like a happy bunny or a playful puppy. Your newfound jadedness is also cute, but more like a lonely weed growing up through cracked pavement in an abandoned lot full of wrecked cars. Oh and Good Flame! Now drink your Ovaltine and get some rest. Missing your nap has made you cranky.

I lol'd.

So hard.

[Plague Bringer]

@AKA - Damn, I forgot about Tuple completely. Flaming is only constructive when it's not 100% "Gtfo, you're fucking horrible, there's nothing you can do to improve." Which I see Lava saying, though not in those exact words, almost constantly. Lava dissed nearly every map in the "Random Dev. Shots" thread, after seeing only a screenshot or two. What, I ask, gives him the right to do such a thing. Lava almost never gives constructive criticism, but he always has something rude to say, and infact, he starts a lot of the large, extremely discriminatory arguments around here. Want an example?
How about three?

Here's some constant bashing of SST| by "creating" a fake server just to make fum of them:
http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4793&highlight=satgnu

Here's that bullshit "Moron Clan" that maci made, it had Lava's full support, dispite it's obvious discrimination. f0rqu3 was in on it too, I think it was then when he joined Lava & Co to start the endless flaming of me.
http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4671

Oh, look, here's Lava & Co in the original Mormon Clan thread!
http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4670

Here's some banning of Poland, now, mind you, while most people agreed with this act, it was completely and totally a discriminatory act, and I still don't believe it was (completely) necessary. Also, with Lava's (and Maci's, and Jhaar's) history of threads, this seems to be fairly.. well, contradictory to what Lava has said in his opening post.
http://tremulous.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4670

@Player1 - ORLY? I'm going to bounce around, picking at bits and pieces of your post randomly. I'm not trying to best Lava and f0rqu3, nor am I trying to be one of the largest pains in the ass any of you have ever encountered, but it seems that few of you notice how much this community as a whole is in need of some serious cleaning up. Perhaps I am but a simple weed trying to grow in a place where I feel as though I'm not wanted, where everything around me is attempting to hold me back, where few listen, but no one cares. It's not Ovaltine, it's Nyquil. Damn right I'm making myself, not so much madder, but more... determined, to get my point across. I'm going to be heard, but, more then that, I'm going to be listened to, before that 90% of this community convinces Timbo, or any other high admin here to give me a ban.

P.S. Player1, no one deserves the constant harrasment that you dish(ed) out on nearly a daily basis.

P.P.S. Lava & Co consists of Lava Croft, maci, jhaa, and f0rqu3. They had the support of sleekslacker aloth, though.

P.P.P.S. Here is a quote from a member of this community who wasn't very respected, but had his points. A lot like myself, I guess. This is concerning the Mormon clan. More important points are highlighted.

I personally disagree with a lot of Mormon doctirne, but it doesn't mean I'm going to be a fag about it like most of you guys have been.[/b] I mean seriously, he creates a clan based on NOT flaming/trash talking people, and what do you guys do?

-You flame his clan.

-You flame his religion.

-You flame his intelligence.

And half of the jerks doing the flaming are the same hypocrites who call everyone else on the forums trolls and flamewhores. Seriously, just leave the guy alone.[/color]

Don't be closeminded BIGOTS and flame Mormons if you have little or no idea wat their religious beliefs are, and more importantly if you have no idea what the OP's personal beliefs are. Liberal bigotry... oh the irony!

(Not really, actually. I find more open-minded people lean to the steriotypically 'closeminded' right.)

I could've easily highlighted the whole damned post, and for those of you who read it, you'll be able to see that.

We, the minority, have strong arguments and strong points that aren't being listened to. Open your minds, accept that for once we might just be right, and you might just be wrong. If you don't accept the fact that your minds are too narrow to understand some of the things that we do, then you would be a fool. We have, it's on you guys now.

You have to make the choice between the current state of this community, and a better one. One where there are stricter rules, where intense flames are siphoned off into another topic and locked. Where the moderators act like moderators, the people who are good rolemodels on how to be a good and respected forum member. Where everyone, along with their views is respected. A place where there isn't constant bitching and flaming of the underdogs by the people in power. A mature place. Tell me you think this is mature, and you'll be lying, either that, or you're not aware of the definition of mature.

[Survivor]

I split this topic since it brought rapha's off-topic. Note this thread should remain in mapping for a while since it's a relatively quiet place. Nearing it's conclusion I will move it to either off-topic or general discussion.

As the posts following mine.

Since my debates and arguments in question are generally considered spam, shit, or useless, Im not even going to bother.

I can honestly say I read every single post in a thread I reply to. Any and all arguments are read and weighed.

As to your comment on the two maps from the original topic. FCP is old, ancient and in it's first few alphas it didn't have any textures and generally it was liked. Das konstrukt was released to get ideas. You don't put in all the work to change them later on anyway. Especially when you're new.

People rarely learn and hardly listen. It's why it is like it is in the first place.

Read my previous comment about the moderator/member difference. Fact is he got voted in by the community and timbo followed their choice.

I am entirely open to being wrong, me and stof are those happy few i recognize admitting it. But I am rarely wrong, and when I am not certain I will usually keep my mouth shut.

A lot of mods help in one way or the other, but some are seen doing it more than others. But then again the mod's duty isn't to help in tremulous topics, it is to keep the board clean and within the rules. These rules have a limited flaming allowed policy which means I can not do anything about every small flame.

You can give links, point them to previous topics or point to people you know can help him. But do first read his question because often it isn't understood.

Player1, you started out as an inquisitive and friendly member. But you are leaning more and more to flaming.
About evlesoa, no he does not deserve constant flaming because YOU are DERAILING TOPICS by doing it. He deserves distrust.

Plague again, you the minority. No the minority here are the mods trying to keep the crowd in control with the restrictions put into place. You were not helping back then, and trying to sound allknowning now doesn't help. The best thing to do with my posts is read them through, thoroughly. Because as I've previously stated, and as you've commented, am rarely rude. But this also means I am less direct and less obvious in my intention. But it is always there. As stated we are restricted in our mod duties and cannot perform all-out clean up without losing our position.

Fact is people did get banned, you don't have to know who they were but certainly you can guess some. Fact is mods are restricted in their duties. Fact is mods are members too. As long as people do not break rules they do not get banned. Lava has yet to break a rule which some other members did as well without getting banned.

[Plague Bringer]

I read your posts thouroughly, Survivor. Don't doubt that. You're one of the few members that hold my respect, though that doesn't matter much. While the Mods are only responsible for cleaning up the forum, they shouldn't be part of the problem. Sure, only a handfull help, that handfull being Tuple, you (Survivor), Caveman on occasion (in my opinion) and Stof (is he a mod?). However, instead of sitting around doing nothing but locking and siphoning threads, some (most) of the (other) mods are contributing to the problem. Those threads are examples of Lava Croft contributing to the problem on a large scale. Caveman has also been part of the problem in the past. And most of the other moderators have let flamewars go on for far too long.

No, I am the minority. I am virtually the only one who shares my opinion about this issue, and due to my bad reputation I gained from my time here, I have very little support, most likely because anyone who does agree with me wouldn't want to side with me for fear that I haven't changed my ways and will continue to troll.

+1 to the Player1 comment. As I said, no one deserves constant flaming. As Survivor said, he deserves distrust.

Now, these rules are a tad bit (read: really) loose. Lava has crossed countless lines, as have I, but, no rules have been broken on either of our parts as far as I know. Now, we have both had our share of violent arguments and flamewars, and somewhere in there, rules should have been broken. For both of us. The fact is, neither me, nor Lava, nor f0rqu3 or Player1 or Evlesoa or even KobraKaine are banned, and to me, that says that something is wrong with the rules. We all did things to deserve bans, I'm sure. My multiple account hoaxes, Kaine's PM to Caveman, f0rqu3, Lava and Player1's harrasment of other members, and Evlesoa being caught cheating, asking for cheats, or attempting to cheat on multiple occasions.

I just think that if this continues, then this community will die. The amount of rudeness on a daily basis, the legit topics being derailed withing a page, it needs to stop. It's gone on far too long. They need to be siphoned, deleted, edited, warned, whatever, it doesn't matter what you do, but you have to do something.

That being said, the only thing that will fix the maturity problem of a few select members on this forum is bans, but then again, flaming without reason, attempting to start arguments for no goddamned reason, and being stubborn beyond belief is not breaking any rules, hell, it's not even reason for a warning around here, is it?

[player1]

Nope, it's not.

@Survivor: me am contrite.

@Seffy:

[Iltama]

yadadadadada *text that has a couple of good points but is still useless*

Even if something there is right, that text is completely useless. Why?
You have no power of any kind in these kind of things (well maybe you had a little bit in the moderator poll) and due to that, your posts just cause more flame/shit/ponies. If you really want to change this community, climb the ladder, get a iron grip of this community. Power! Change things by doing it and not talking about some utopy.
Otherwise just shut up, be a nice forum member who helps and comments *normal* threads and avoid these kinds of threads. Otherwise you'll just make this place burn harder

[Plague Bringer]

How do you suggest I accomplish such a thing?

1. I am disliked by a large portion of this community.
2. No one would ever believe that I have moved on from spamming.
3. I am not, and most likely never will be, a moderator. Therefore I will have absolutely no power over what get locked, and who gets banned. Ever.

[player1]

it's that kind of defeatist thinking that made you what you are today...

what happened to your sense of humor?

you used to be more fun...

plus, you never take me anywhere anymore...

P.S. u were all flaming the crap out of each other nicely long before I got here (my 1st encounter with pl0x was him telling me to sort by ping and STFU, when the Mac client doesn't do that as a default; and now we're bazoom buddies)

embrace the other
love ur detractors
don't take urself so flamin' seriously

RANT/TROLL/FLAME:
also, anyone who has never actually played a game with Evlesoa can STFU; u have no idea what a griefing whiner he is; I reached out to the dude by PMing him several times, (just like I reached out to pl0x, and Bringer, and anyone who seemed like they needed a virtual pat on the back); only to be repeatedly kicked in the teeth; the few times I flamed him recently were when he put up devil/oblivion to accuse zubs of hacking, for which he richly deserved, and GOT, major flamage; did they ever post a demo? NO! again, STFU... how is flaming a lying hacker a bad thing? that's why Timbo allows it; if he had proof he would've produced it; bite me...

show me where I derailed a thread; loose generalizations are meaningless; Bringer don't try to tar me with your brush; leave me out of your "woe is me/I'm so emo/the world sucks/this community no longer meets my schoolboy idealist standards" little whinefest

plz move this to off-topic, where all such "the sky is falling" topics belong

obviously, Bringer, you have little real life experience or real internet experience to expect everything to be a lovely bed of roses

people who can code may get respect, and so may people who can map, as well as people who can play, but I can still type circles around you any old day...

END of RANT/TROLL/FLAME

no disrespect meant to Survivor or any other reasonable person with realistic expectations of electronic interface between faceless entities

I <3 u all
stop being so sensitive to what someone is typing thousands of miles away

my voice shall be heard from this wilderness, and I shall be delivered from this fetid and festering sewer

(in best Charles Emerson Winchester voice)

I think he's starting to get the hang of this place.

waitaminute: this whole thing started when Bringer dissed Dino but couldn't take it when Lava did the same thing to him...

what a baby :roll:

let me call whine-one-one and get you a waaahmbulance...

I'd love to keep pushing that big button on ur forehead that sez "EASY", but the Daily Show is on and that's even funnier than this is...

[Lava Croft]

maci and I did not restart SatGNU as a big server to piss off SST. We don't care about SST, just as we don't care about any other server. We did not mean to ridicule or piss off SST, we just wanted some mindless Tremulous gaming while maci was visiting me.
Currently, we have 18 open slots and 8 private slots, hardly a 'SST-style' server.

I do not start, nor do I support those threads maci makes in the Clans forum. I actually locked 1 or 2 of his threads there, but this doesn't mean I don't think they are somewhat funny, certainly when reading all the reactions to it.

We actually re-banned Poland last week, after a period of not having them banned. This is not discriminatory, we just want peace on our porch, so we remove the rotten apples by unrooting the entire tree. This is and never will be the business of anyone but maci, me and the Polish people who got screwed over by the lamer minority.

Maps that are good get my praise.
Maps that are bad get my flame.
If you are not willing to believe or accept this, then start off by naming me any good maps that I have flamed.
Or, the other way around, make me a list of all the crappy maps I have flamed.

After you have done that, you will probably not come to the conclusion you are making a priceless fool out of yourself with this somewhat over-emotional ranting here, because it looks like I am nothing short an obsession for you. If you take the plane and come to my place, I might let you suck my penis.

[tuple]

True, maturity doesnt come in a few months (you're assuming, however, that the maturity hasn't been lying in wait to come out)

A child will eventually grow to be mature.  In that sense maturity can be said to be lying in wait, awaiting the maturity of the child.  However, there is not a full well of maturity that someone draws very little from, with the rest "lying in wait".  You are either mature or you are not.  Those of us that are mature understand that being immature on occasion is a part of maturity, and also that showing spikes of maturity on occasion is a part of immaturity.  If you do not understand my poor description of what I am talking about, you are very likely not mature yet.  If you are over 25 and don't understand, I envy you

Often the people who make accusations of close mindedness the most are those who cannot understand why others will not conform to their narrow view.

Their are other lines of communication for members of the tremulous community.  That you do not see moderators being helpful here does not mean that they are not helpful, or even more helpful than the rest of us moderators.  Accusing community members of some behavior in this forum while being wholly unaware of what occurs within the other community forms of communication is a perfect example of close mindedness.

Community Moderators have a vested interest in improving the quality of these boards.  It is not because they are moderators though.  Moderator or not, I would still be reading these forums regularly.  No, Mods have an interest in the betterment of the forums for the exact same reason that any longstanding member of the community has.  We will be here tomorrow and if we can make tomorrows boards just a little bit better then we are only helping ourselves and the friends we have made here.

now, STFU ALL U NOOBS! :-P

edit:

If you take the plane and come to my place, I might let you suck my penis.

I LOL'd
might? :-P

[Paradox]

This thread has gone on long enough. Yes some of the posts have good reasons and flesh out details, but it seems to be going in circles, restating the same ideas over and over again.
Unless you can prove the need for such a topic, it should be locked.
Any of the other mods are welcome to post their opinions concerning a lock for this topic.

[tehOen]

inb4b&

[Survivor]

Paradox, first show me the rule which justifies a close of this topic.
A move I can understand but it's nice and quiet in here before we release it to the horde by moving it out to off-topic or general discussion.

[player1]

oh, look the forum survived... :roll:    

[Lava Croft]

oh, look the forum survived... :roll:    

The question is:

Did Plague Bringer save the forum?