Underworld - Delta

[ShadowNinjaDudeMan]

Underworld - Delta[/b][/size]

I am only releasing the early versions of this map in .bsp form, .pk3 if ye wish.

Known Issue(s)

Alien Cannons do not work very well.
No lighting, Fullbight.
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Testing

Place the .bsp in the
/Tremulous/Base/Maps
folder.

Open Tremulous
Create a New Server

In Console, type:

Code Select Expand


/sv_pure 0
/devmap underworld-delta
or
/map underworld-delta


The Map will then load up.

Download

http://hosted.filefront.com/ShadowNinjaDude/

Feedback

I would appreciate any feedback or constructive critisism about my map.
It is my first one Ive released.

[Thorn]

Why do you bother to show off your first abominations? The main rule of mapping is "Do not release your first works of art"

[ShadowNinjaDudeMan]

Why do you bother to show off your first abominations? The main rule of mapping is "Do not release your first works of art"

A) COS I CAN!!!
B) This is only my first released map.
C) Dont judge a book by its cover.
Unless youve already read it, of course.

[Thorn]

I do not need to download this to see that it will only make me vomit, i can judge by your previous troubles.

You just made a map in about a day, well done, nice box-hollowing-CSG-Skills there, i bet its about 20 brushes mostly with invalid faces anyway.

"A) COS I CAN !!!" -- But can you?

[Taiyo.uk]

The alien cannons don't work - you can hear the pop, but you don't get launched anywhere. The vents look a little unrealistic since they're dry but below the slime level.

[ShadowNinjaDudeMan]

The alien cannons don't work - you can hear the pop, but you don't get launched anywhere.

Ive already mentioned that.
No need to remind me.

If the vents were full of slime you would get no where, and die quickly.
Im still thinking about lowering the level of slime.

[ShadowNinjaDudeMan]

I do not need to download this to see that it will only make me vomit, i can judge by your previous troubles.
- Well then STFU and GTFO
- What previous troubles? This is my first released map!

You just made a map in about a day, well done, nice box-hollowing-CSG-Skills there, i bet its about 20 brushes mostly with invalid faces anyway.
- More Assuming Aggressive BullShit

"A) COS I CAN !!!" -- But can you?
- What Kind of Stupid Question is that? I JUST HAVE!

WELL THEN STFU IF YOU ARE JUST GOING TO SIT ON YOUR ARSE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING YOU HAVENT FUCKING TESTED OR SEEN, BUT ARE JUST GOING TO ASSUME THINGS ABOUT THE MAP AND WASTE SPACE IN MY TOPIC VOICING THESE POINTLESS THOUGHTS!

Geez, please use your brain!

It took bout 4 days.
I didnt use CSG hollow at any point!
Its actually 314 brushes, and 42 entities.

And anyway, wtf is with the aggressive behavior?
Im releasing a map, not an aimbot.
Stop being an asshole.

[Taiyo.uk]

Ive already mentioned that.
No need to remind me.

If the vents were full of slime you would get no where, and die quickly.
Im still thinking about lowering the level of slime.

Oops, didn't read the first post very well

[TRaK]

Took a look, a few suggestions :

- To give your map a name in the loading screen, enter a "message" field into any worldspawn.
- Your walls are too thin. As a general rule, I usually go with at least 16 gu for wall thickness, just because walls look silly when they are paper-thin.
- The vents are kind of pointless. They lead straight into the slime, which is useless, and they are so long even a blaster could hold aliens off. THeyt should be filled with slime anyways, if physics meant anything .
-The rotating fan thing is fairly pointless as well. Does it even have a purpose? If you want to keep it, you should make it so that it is supported by something, and not just floating there.
- Rants can't get to the cannons, or even fit in them, which is probably a good idea to make possible for a silly map like this.
- What's up with the doors? Specs cant float through them. Why not just use func_door?
- Make your bridge a little sturdier. Thicker, and supported.
- Make the map less of an MD haven. Add some obstacles, things to hide behind, etc, etc.
- The little platforms way up in the corners are stupid. A human base up there would be chaos, and would probably ruin a game.
- I'm guessing it's not permanent, but you should always start humans and aliens with a reactor/om, and usually a turret/tube or two at least.

All in all, a lot of newbie mistakes, but hopefully you will learn and make this a fun an interesting map .

[ShadowNinjaDudeMan]

Ok, a question on the mgun model, it spawns a wee box. In game, does this become a mgun?

-The rotating fan thing is fairly pointless as well. Does it even have a purpose? If you want to keep it, you should make it so that it is supported by something, and not just floating there.

Take a ride in the human cannons, you could hit it, fall into the slime an ddie, thats the point.

- What's up with the doors? Specs cant float through them. Why not just use func_door?

Cos I couldnt find a trigger that would work for it, they were all "trigger_hurt, triger_position" and all that.

- Your walls are too thin. As a general rule, I usually go with at least 16 gu for wall thickness, just because walls look silly when they are paper-thin.
Sadly, correct.

I will try to implement all of these in my next release.
(ok, maybe not tyrant one, or the fan one, cos those were kinda the point.
Ive already fixed the vents.

[Survivor]

Ok, a question on the mgun model, it spawns a wee box. In game, does this become a mgun?

http://tremmapping.pbwiki.com/entity_explanation#teamhumanmgturret

Cos I couldnt find a trigger that would work for it, they were all "trigger_hurt, triger_position" and all that.

http://tremmapping.pbwiki.com/entity_explanation#triggermultiple

[tehOen]

Underworld - Delta[/b][/size]

I am only releasing the early versions of this map in .bsp form, .pk3 if ye wish.

Known Issue(s)

Alien Cannons do not work very well.
No lighting, Fullbight.
[/size]

Testing

Place the .bsp in the
/Tremulous/Base/Maps
folder.

Open Tremulous
Create a New Server

In Console, type:

Code Select Expand


/sv_pure 0
/devmap underworld-delta
or
/map underworld-delta


The Map will then load up.

Download

http://hosted.filefront.com/ShadowNinjaDude/

Feedback

I would appreciate any feedback or constructive critisism about my map.
It is my first one Ive released.

wtf dont release this crap

[ShadowNinjaDudeMan]

Uh... Cheers TehOen...

Btw, did you test it, or are you doing a "Thorn"?

[Thorn]

If something is created in under a week, by an unexperianced mapper, it is not worth testing.

What you have created is not a map, it is something you huddled together in radiant.

[ShadowNinjaDudeMan]

If something is created in under a week, by an unexperianced mapper, it is not worth testing.
IF YOUR NOT GONNA TEST IT, THEN STFU AND GTFO! What point is your presence here? It seems the only thing youre here to do is flame me.


What you have created is not a map, it is something you huddled together in radiant.
HOW WOULD YOU KNOW? YOU HAVENT EVEN TESTED IT? If you have, then that is your opinion, and you will present it to me in a more clear representation (e.g. What I should do to improve it), otherwise, you will not post in this topic.
Clear?

[Thorn]

lol

[Survivor]

It's so crap I can't even begin to point out anything, learn mapping before starting funmapping, insert credit to try again from zero.

[ShadowNinjaDudeMan]

It's so crap I can't even begin to point out anything.

WELL THEN STFU AND GTFO IF YOU WONT PROVIDE ADVICE!

Lets start with a simple question:

What makes it so crap?

Think you can handle some basic thought and memory processes?

[Survivor]

It is nothing. There is no gameplay, no direction, no paths, no cover. There is no feel to the map. Before you start whacking brushes into the editor think about what comes out in trem.
That map was intended as a funmap, I can see that, but even fails at that since the main gimmick, the cannons, don't work.
And before making even an alpha public to a crowd you know will be deadhonest and hard on you have its faults worked out and tested by a few people you know ingame.

Short: There is no advice to give since there is no direction in which this map is heading.

[Lava Croft]

buts i got a .map and it has my name on it and i think it looks cool and so said my mother when i asked her so i really dont see why you are all so hostile      

[Odin]

Such a good name for a map wasted on a funmap.

[Lava Croft]

Well, for all it's worth, at least he is trying to make maps. Let's hope his next project turns out better.

[ShadowNinjaDudeMan]

Well, for all it's worth, at least he is trying to make maps. Let's hope his next project turns out better.

Im working on it.

[GrooveMachine]

Ninja, way to not be afraid to release your first map to the public.  If everyone wants to criticize your maps, then let them.  I always like to remember this old quote:

"The only way to get better at something is to do it."

And good for you for trying.  You're an ambitious young mapper who wants to make a name for himself, and I think that's cool, whether or not people decide that it sucks (only because you're a "noob" mapper).

Keep on mapping regardless of what people say.

-GrooveMachine

[Odin]

Or he didn't know he'd get flamed if he released it.

[Plague Bringer]

Well, for all it's worth, at least he is trying to make maps. Let's hope his next project turns out better.

Bravo.

[Mexel]

Why do you bother to show off your first abominations? The main rule of mapping is "Do not release your first works of art"

I agree with Thorn. I released my first map i made in my communuty, and boy o boy did it fail ever so miserbally. What we're trying to do here is give you some criticism. However, some from others may be taken a different way. Don't let it bother you. Look at it as we are trying to help, in a sense that you should make a few maps (bout 3) before you even think of posting here. Most of the people here have been playing / mapping for a long time.

It took me a few maps, and though i don't consider my self a "legitimate" mapper yet. i can but out something sweet in a weeks time. (i sit here in front of this box with a screen for about 12+ hours a day to bust out something so fast)

And my personal advise to you is this. Take your time that can't be stressed enough. you WILL encounter unexpected problems. Use things that you wouldn't know how to pronounce. For me it was all about trial and error, and a hell of alot of reading up on a buch of tuts. (thanks to google.com XD). It will take you some time. But you will get it.


P.S. If you can help it, don't ever release a ALPHA map on these forums. 95% of the time you will get bad comments and things alike(unless you're a 1337 mapper). Learn well my young padawon.

[Fluxflashor]

Ok maybe this is not the best of maps, but I would have to say it would be great if we had a CTF mod. Ok so it has lack of lighting and can use some touchups, but I kinda like it. The dretches have no way of evading fire though sadly, humans will feed off dretches. Right now there is one way of getting inside the bases, well at least as I can see. A few turrets there and humans are un defeatable.

I was afraid to release my first map, hell I didn't even understand how to make a pk3 so it would be unusable by pure servers.

Can the community expect another release of this map, or do you have another map in the works?

[ShadowNinjaDudeMan]

Can the community expect another release of this map, or do you have another map in the works?

First thing:

Thx everyone for the encouragement.

@Flux:

In fact I do have a new release of this, but It has no lighting and the cannons *still* persist in not working but Ive fixed other things.
It is better, but the main problems are still there, thats why I havent released it yet.

Biding my time, so to speak.

[Survivor]

In fact I do have a new release of this, but It has no lighting and the cannons *still* persist in not working but Ive fixed other things.
It is better, but the main problems are still there, thats why I havent released it yet.

Excellent! Learning already!