hey humans, you only win if you kill the enemy base

[jtrainor]

Camping in your base the entire game and building up a giant kill count doesn't mean you win, it just means you're a cowardly lamer.

Any humans that have access to stage 3 eq while aliens are at stage one and still hide in their base like little girls are lamers.


Special attention goes out to the following people who did exactly this in a game I was just in and then claimed we "lost" despite the fact that they didn't leave their base at all:

-myoginius
-Awakuganya

[Silverius]

In that situation the aliens have failed to draw humans out. Hint: don't rush in with dretches, wait until you gather enough nofeed points (1 each 2 minutes when you don't get kills another way) then go maurader or dragoon and annoy them into chasing you.

Really, excessively camping humans are not a problem for aliens, they are a problem for humans.

[Death Himself]

Another problem is that when the humans do this, the alien team will sit JUST outside the human base and leap/crawl/run around. This solves nothing and if anything is likely to keep the humans inside.

A tactic that would work would be to not go NEAR the human base, then attack the bored/curious humans who come outside.

I've watched alien teams fall in droves because they camp the camping humans, and they they lose the match because they barely scratch level 2 (or sometimes they never even reach it) when the humans rush out with lucy cannons and battlesuits.

Humans can feed aliens yes, but aliens can also feed humans in the same way!

They keyword is patience.

[[EVIL]Unknown]

yeah i hate it when whole base feels like they cant do anything but camp. ull find that in most of the matches ill have to take matters into my own hands and grab my usual helmet, light armor, jetpack, grenade, and pain saw and go rambo on the alien base. i usually effectivly at least take out an overmind and an egg.. if not ill nail the whole base but usually some aliens come back and gang up on me.

not much else u can do. ive tried convincing a few people to come with me for an alien base raid but some are like "im not ready yet i need more creds for battle suit..??

wtf the battlesuit in my opinion is like the worst armor in the game.. i especially hate it when people use it during egg hunts...ok the overmind has been long gone and grangers are out there just building eggs.. u need a helmet to be able to find em..i cant explain the numerous times ive seen a bunch of poeple in battlesuits walk right under a few eggs or just walk right by the overmind.

to me their just pussies that are afraid of getting hit by dretches.  this is y i like to play with the regulars and other people i know who dont do this.

[Silverius]

Well sometimes you need a bsuit to come near the om. In the game today (at sudden death) I wouldn't have been able to approach the om with a gren without the bsuit to protect me from attacks (aliens at s3 and the strike team consisting of just Elvis and me).

That said it is very irrating when people don't want to leave the base when the aliens are down. I can understand about not leaving during a tyrant rush, but not leaving when all that's coming is dretches and basilisks (and the odd maurader)??

[Survivor]

The biggest problem is teamwork. When the humans go out alone they get slaughtered by 1 skilled or 2 average aliens. Their solution is to stay inside their base.
Now in stage 1 it isn't a bad idea to stay NEAR your base so that you can retreat behind the defenses. Stage 2 and on however humans should hunt, preferably in groups.
And groups is where it lacks, I see one of two things happening:
1: Humans go out alone, get killed quite quickly.
2: Humans actually move out in groups but they don't work together.
It's too often that humans are actually present en masse at the entrance to the alien base to then proceed camping there.

[Silverius]

In some maps camping at s1 can be an awfully bad idea too. Tremor is a perfect example of a map where it pays to attack early. The alien base can be easily breached by humans with rifles if there are enough of them and they run through the door past the tubes. Once in the humans have a big advantage. Then the hummies just need to keep box room and tunnels clear to win.

On the other hand camping at s1 usually means facing mauraders and dragoons fairly quickly and a few of those can easily destroy the common human base.

[Survivor]

There's a difference between camping and using your defenses as backup. I personally hate camping as it gets you nowhere quickly whereas making slight incursions while prove quite effective.
Also that move of heading out early can only be done if the opposing team is unexperienced or spread thin, it is a valid tactic and one which I respect if it is done at the right time and not simply because that's how to start a specific map.
It also brings the other main weak point up; basebuilding. It's a whole different thing in trem and it goes wrong a lot. Teslas in the wide open, turrets blocking the retreat path or all alone, acid tubes in the middle of the hallway etc. I have managed on several occasions to easily penetrate the human base as a dretch or maurader only to take out their reactor and in effect ending the game quickly. On top of the reactor it only dishes out 2 points of damage/second

[Paradox]

Yesterday, on TJW, thats all the humans did. I eventually just played aliens, because i was sick of the noobishness. One game, an idiot even "accidentally" deconstructed the reactor.

God, the NOOBS!

[Awakuganya]

I don't remember camping against stage 1 aliens, but i remember i was in s1 alien team against s3 humans camping, and you left after a draw.

[Lava Croft]

Try to find an admin who can enable Sudden Death, this mostly solves the Human camping problem.

[b0rsuk]

Try to find an admin who can enable Sudden Death, this mostly solves the Human camping problem.

Yes, it promotes human camping. No-build-points sudden death gives humans an edge, because their bases are harder to crack and faster to repair. When the sudden death is enabled, all it takes is a single rambo to cripple alien base.
Better sudden death would be no respawn. Advanced dragoons could still snipe people behind turrets.

[Silverius]

If SD is on humans are forced to put much more manpower into defending and repairing their buildings. It does provide an incentive to go to the alien base and throw a few nades in there, but it also promotes staying at home and defending the own base.

[Issy Gee]

I think it would be a good idea to make Battlesuits explode when they are destroyed. It would encourage the battlesuit cowards to go run out there and blow up next to an enemy structure. That, and it would actually force the aliens to take advantage of their better mobility as they have to use dretch, maurader, and basilisk-oriented "hit-and-run" tactics.

That, and Tyrant and Dragoon blood should be acidic and squirting, to balance it out. That way, we have fast-paced games in which Bsuits and Tyrants are encouraged to, in some scenarios, charge right at each other. Teamwork will be core in this implementation.

Anything to get players to be just slightly more risk-taking.

[Silverius]

What I guess most people here don't understand is that humans are already very strongly encouraged to go out and attack. Why? Well the aliens can't tyrant rush without an overmind and when they have to go rebuild they have less people to attack. Humans don't need to camp and they really shouldn't unless the can't survive outside the base. Camping means letting the enemy lay siege upon your castle, not directly a recipe for success.

Of course, there are valid reasons to use a camping based strategy. For example having most of the team camp but letting a few well armed soldiers sneak out to the enemy lair to take down the overmind by suprise while the aliens are laying siege upon the base is a very valid (though tricky to pull off) strategy.

[raph]

Well the aliens can't tyrant rush without an overmind

As far as I've seen it, aliens don't bother about their om if they are Tyrants  :lol:

[Silverius]

Indeed. Which is of course the reason that it's not quite insane to have some people sneak out of the base during a tyrant rush, easy access to the om and without an om they can't maintain a tyrant rush.

[[EVIL]Unknown]

<------ thats what he does.....