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whitenoise

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« on: October 06, 2007, 08:53:09 am »
Hi I don't know if this is the correct section.
I only wanna tell you about this program "mumble".

I guess more people in this forum know Teamspeak. Mumble is an opensource project of a voice chat (similar to teamspeak).

I guess is better than teamspeak (is a young project, but more recent of teamspeak), it support ALSA, the voice is more clear, and use less bandwidth.

it work on linux and windows. For mac users they can compile it.

try it here http://mumble.sourceforge.net/

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Luca
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Caveman

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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2007, 10:28:47 am »
This project still is not really usable.
Using it on Windows you _need_ ASIO to get any decent sound, no matter the sound card.

Using it with GNU/Linux is acceptable if you don't mind the horrible quality.

There is only one thing on the pro side, which is also the biggest con.
It uses less Bandwidth than any other (properly confed) voice-chat, but only because it uses SpeeX as it's codec.

Even though it supports ALSA, mumble is NOT the only to do that, even TeamSpeak does it :)
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whitenoise

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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2007, 11:46:36 am »
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Even though it supports ALSA, mumble is NOT the only to do that, even TeamSpeak does it :)


TS don't support ALSA, maybe you can hear both tremulous sound and ts if your card have hardware mixer (I used aoss with an horrible sound)

I guess this version (1.0) of mumble is good, and is only the first stable release...so this is an opensource project (like tremulous) and I guess if is not better now, it will be better in near future ;-)

I guess if people try this project can help the developers to fix bugs and improve it.

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Luca
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Caveman

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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2007, 12:26:07 pm »
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TS don't support ALSA, maybe you can hear both tremulous sound and ts if your card have hardware mixer (I used aoss with an horrible sound)


Sorry but then you are doing something very wrong.
Just get your dmix set up correctly and you are all set.
No need for hardware mixing. But that topic is explained in the TS forums ad nauseum. Even if you don't like dmix, check out their FAQ http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=faq&id=3&item=43#q43

And please don't bash TS, just because you use the Alsa-OSS-layer. Stick to OSS if you must, but don't use it to complain about horrible sound if you have not set up your stuff.

But with one thing I agree, mumble can be better if they fix the bugs and incorporate more (better) codecs.
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whitenoise

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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2007, 07:56:45 pm »
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Sorry but then you are doing something very wrong.
Just get your dmix set up correctly and you are all set.
No need for hardware mixing. But that topic is explained in the TS forums ad nauseum. Even if you don't like dmix, check out their FAQ http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=faq&id=3&item=43#q43


uhm, I'm sure...TS use OSS, not ALSA. Your link explain how to set oss to work with another channel (but depend of the soundcard) and don't break the application that use ALSA.

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And please don't bash TS, just because you use the Alsa-OSS-layer. Stick to OSS if you must, but don't use it to complain about horrible sound if you have not set up your stuff.


Oh yes, I know aoss make sound of ts a shit...but I tryed ts also under windows and compared with mumble (under linux) I prefer mumble (1.0 version).

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But with one thing I agree, mumble can be better if they fix the bugs and incorporate more (better) codecs.


Oh yes :-)

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Luca
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FisherP

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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2007, 03:45:22 am »
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Sorry but then you are doing something very wrong.
Just get your dmix set up correctly and you are all set.
No need for hardware mixing. But that topic is explained in the TS forums ad nauseum. Even if you don't like dmix, check out their FAQ http://www.goteamspeak.com/index.php?page=faq&id=3&item=43#q43


Personally I've tried this step by step instruction and there must be something wrong with either the instructions, the hardware, or tremulous because I still send out tremulous sounds with the microphone. I've had to bind the button I use for push to talk to also mute tremulous sound. Which means that I need to push that button twice (once to mute and talk, the other to restore the pre-set sound level).

Mumble doesn't have this problem and I wish that more people used it to be honest
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Phenax

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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2007, 07:03:26 pm »
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This project still is not really usable.
Using it on Windows you _need_ ASIO to get any decent sound, no matter the sound card.

Using it with GNU/Linux is acceptable if you don't mind the horrible quality.

There is only one thing on the pro side, which is also the biggest con.
It uses less Bandwidth than any other (properly confed) voice-chat, but only because it uses SpeeX as it's codec.

Even though it supports ALSA, mumble is NOT the only to do that, even TeamSpeak does it :)


I'm sorry, complete bullshit. I've been using it for several months now. Quality is great, speaking and listening to both people on Windows and Linux. Windows users haven't touched ASIO. I can assure you, the bandwidth is sensibly limited, nothing is cranked, and it sounds much better than our previous TeamSpeak server.
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Caveman

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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2007, 07:26:45 pm »
Maybe you should really read what wrote?
Mumble uses SpeeX as it's codec and that one is definitely not better than any other one from TS.

As far as ASIO goes, even mumble's site says so, iirc.

If you think it sounds better than your TS-server, tell us what codec you were using there...
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Phenax

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2007, 07:54:24 pm »
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Maybe you should really read what wrote?
Mumble uses SpeeX as it's codec and that one is definitely not better than any other one from TS.

As far as ASIO goes, even mumble's site says so, iirc.

If you think it sounds better than your TS-server, tell us what codec you were using there...


No, there is a difference. For example, TeamSpeak's implementation of audio denoising often leaves your voice often sounding metallic. There are several implementations which can be approached by different means. Speex is not just a plug-and-chug audio input-and-out send-over-network-protocol library and codec that automatically accomplishes everything for you uniformally.

The website says this about ASIO:
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The only reason to use ASIO is if you need echo cancellation; such as when playing with loudspeakers. If you use the classical headset or headphones and microphone, you are better off using DirectSound as input since it uses less CPU resources.


I used Speex 16.3k, as the TeamSpeak website says is easily good enough for talking.
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Caveman

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2007, 07:59:02 pm »
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I used Speex 16.3k, as the TeamSpeak website says is easily good enough for talking.


Heck, and here I was thinking I mentioned that _SPEEX_ is a codec one should not use?

But no matter, I just step aside to let your selfownage roam free.
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Phenax

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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2007, 08:01:23 pm »
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Quote from: "Phenax"

I used Speex 16.3k, as the TeamSpeak website says is easily good enough for talking.


Heck, and here I was thinking I mentioned that _SPEEX_ is a codec one should not use?

But no matter, I just step aside to let your selfownage roam free.


Interesting, I guess you are right, and the TeamSpeak Website is giving me misinformation as to what codecs are the best. Darn.
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