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« on: October 14, 2007, 05:27:05 am »
Yech...I was experimenting with ASE's a few days ago and one thing lead to another and....this...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/supertanker13/coreb.jpg

It's supposed to be the bottom area of the shield generator of the original Gamma_core (you know, the big pit?) Anyways, my questions are....

How many particle systems can a low end computer handle without too much complaint? I've 3 for the steam here, as well as two fog brushes (one above and one below the core)

What is a realistic limit for an ASE? the reactor (the model) is about 2000 polies and is about 1.9 megabytes.

Does fog kill framerate too much? I'm using it a LOT, as well as loads of patch meshes.

Is it possible to use .trail files to make a lightning bolt from one entity to another, or should I just try a shader with autosprite2?

Should I bother making this a complete map? I've got some rough ideas for it already...
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2007, 06:14:34 am »
Show us pictures of your map, so we can get a realistic idea of how much fog ect you are using.
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2007, 09:41:40 am »
Quote from: "supertanker"
Yech...I was experimenting with ASE's a few days ago and one thing lead to another and....this...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/supertanker13/coreb.jpg

It's supposed to be the bottom area of the shield generator of the original Gamma_core (you know, the big pit?) Anyways, my questions are....

How many particle systems can a low end computer handle without too much complaint? I've 3 for the steam here, as well as two fog brushes (one above and one below the core)

What is a realistic limit for an ASE? the reactor (the model) is about 2000 polies and is about 1.9 megabytes.

Does fog kill framerate too much? I'm using it a LOT, as well as loads of patch meshes.

Is it possible to use .trail files to make a lightning bolt from one entity to another, or should I just try a shader with autosprite2?

Should I bother making this a complete map? I've got some rough ideas for it already...


First up looking good.
Second, number of particles systems does have an effect but it can't really be predicted up front. Best would be to just ask someone with a lowend pc to playtest it for a while.
2 mb seems a bit large for a model in my eyes, but if it is the core of the theme you're trying to achieve you can make some exceptions.
Fog shouldn't affect fps that much.
Trail files aren't my forté, sorry.
Yes if you can keep this feeling up along the entire map I would damn well  like to play it.
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2007, 10:34:35 am »
Trail systems can actually imitate the lightning bolt. But it will be very similar to usual shader/texture. With little advantages.

If you want to test your map for FPS, Iv got a very sensitive P III wich can handle the stock maps at about 50-60 fps and very responsive for any load change.


And all of this is actually bounded by vis portals. You can have loads of particles throughout the map, but having just 1 visible at a time will not affect fps that much. Same thing for the fog and rest of the map objects.

Personally I wasnt sure if Q3 engine can handle 2000 polies model? Optimised for ~1000? I might be wrong though.
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2007, 11:04:21 am »
That's a pretty looking Gamma Core. A bit more color would do it good.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2007, 02:16:13 pm »
Don't question the fact "Should I make it a complete map?" I love Gamma Core and a Gamma Core 2 would make me very happy!
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2007, 10:48:09 pm »
Gamma core 2: This time, its personal?
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2007, 04:10:10 am »
Ehhh....wha?

For what I mean with fog, about 8-9 rooms will probably look something like this:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/supertanker13/corridora.jpg

This one is special, like the core area, because it has fog above and below the player-accesable area. I kind of tried to make it look like Half-Life 2's Citadael.


I've been experimenting with patch meshes to make this map a bit more detailed. Oh, yeah, that brings me to another point. I was going to try and make this for the mapping contest but I decided againts it; at the rate i work I'd be half-done by January.

I have a tendency to get bored with projects if I don't finish them so could you guys please do me a favor and every few weeks ask me when I'm going to finish this map?
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2007, 05:42:28 am »
1. That dark effect is made by negative lights(at least it is in JKA), not fog.

2. Patch-meshes? Eww. If your using it for terrain, I suggest you make it yourself vertex by vertex, or use EasyGen. If your using it for detail, brushes can do the same job as a patch mesh.

Edit: And, Patch Meshes have a limit. It's 6 patchmeshes per map, I think. This may only be JKA, though.
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2007, 05:54:36 am »


lol wut?
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2007, 05:59:48 am »
Those arn't patchmeshes though, there cylinder patches.
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2007, 06:11:36 am »
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Those arn't patchmeshes though, there cylinder patches.

A 'cylinder patch' is also a patch mesh.
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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2007, 02:12:52 pm »
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Those arn't patchmeshes though, there cylinder patches.


Quote of the day.
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2007, 01:56:30 am »
Nice work so far I like it.  :)

Judging from those two pictures, I don't see anything that would cause too much trouble.

Also, when are you going to finish this map?

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Re: Gamma core...2?
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2007, 06:23:02 pm »
Quote from: "supertanker"

How many particle systems can a low end computer handle without too much complaint? I've 3 for the steam here, as well as two fog brushes (one above and one below the core)


The best you do is to boldly experiment where no mapper has gone before. I managed to cram 7 systems in one room and still have an acceptable framerate,
on the other hand I had a room where adding a second particle system made the framerate go down like the titanic.
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2007, 05:02:26 am »
Yay! A new room!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/supertanker13/hw2.jpg

I've been adding a few boxy rooms a day and filling them with detail as I go. Be warned, this *might* turn out to be a larger map.

Heh, that picture a few posts back isn't Trem; it's Ca3D and is a complaint about graphics problems--look at the other ones and tell me you spot the difference between one frame and the next. :P
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2007, 01:44:26 am »
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lol wut?


wut kind of lame game is taht????
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2007, 11:07:34 am »
HalfLife 1, dur.
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2007, 10:41:39 pm »
Yeah, DUH, can't you see that's Half-Life with it's advanced lighting engine, bumpmapping, patch meshes, and high-res skies? DUH!

Hehehehehehehe I finally figured out alphashadow so now I can make crappy looking lights that shine through grates!

by the way, is lightmapsample size 2x2 too small for the entire map?
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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2007, 08:56:50 pm »
Well I've been working on it some more but still have to nail down the final layout. I have two sketch ideas here, but am not sure which is better

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/supertanker13/layout2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/supertanker13/layout.jpg

Which of these would be a more logical and fair layout? Red is lower floor, green is upper. I've got ideas for some of the rooms but need to decide which layout to use before I can go much farther.
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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2007, 09:13:09 pm »
Layout 2, 3 entrances to alien base will get it nailed.
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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2007, 09:37:20 pm »
the layout does not really matter, IF you give both bases the same number of entraces.
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2007, 03:55:10 pm »
In layout 2 make alien base the red lower room that conects to upper and create a path that leads to where the alien base was like in layout 1.
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2007, 02:46:50 am »
All right, I'll start working on it

Just out of curiosity, as a question to mappers: do you start with a floor plan and built walls up, or do you start with boxy rooms? I can't seem to get the boxy rooms to work.
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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2007, 08:28:24 am »
Floorplan? What happened to imagination?  :O
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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2007, 08:59:40 am »
As for imagination, well... How imaginative was the floorplan? Mappers often make concept art just like modelers do.
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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2007, 12:07:07 pm »
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Floorplan? What happened to imagination?  :O

Since when are a floorplan and imagination mutually exclusive?
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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2007, 02:22:52 pm »
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All right, I'll start working on it

Just out of curiosity, as a question to mappers: do you start with a floor plan and built walls up, or do you start with boxy rooms? I can't seem to get the boxy rooms to work.


neither really, i just build some interesting brushes and take it from there. i havent really thought about floorplans until i have most of the map done.
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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2007, 12:02:14 am »
I kind of do what gareth does...hmm....I'll think about that later.

I spent an hour or so going crazy with this room...I had a little too much fun with patch meshes, if you look really close at the lower-left boxy generator thingy.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/supertanker13/randomroom1.jpg

This would make an interesting base once I add the second entrance.
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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2007, 12:09:52 am »
Oh wow, that looks really cool.
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