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The 11th plague of Egypt

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NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard
« on: October 15, 2007, 07:55:46 pm »
Microsoft is trying to get its Office OOXML format approved as an ISO (International Standard Organization) standard.

As always, they try to set standards that benefit them and freeze out everyone else. When someone else tries to write to their standard, they change things in an incompatible manner.

You can sign a petition against this here: http://www.noooxml.org/petition

Here is a quote of the reasons from the site:

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  1. There is already a standard ISO26300 named Open Document Format (ODF): a dual standard adds costs, uncertainty and confusion to industry, government and citizens;
   2. There is no provable implementation of the OOXML specification: Microsoft Office 2007 produces a special version of OOXML, not a file format which complies with the OOXML specification;
   3. There is information missing from the specification document, for example how to do a autoSpaceLikeWord95 or useWord97LineBreakRules;
   4. More than 10% of the examples mentioned in the proposed standard do not validate as XML;
   5. There is no guarantee that anybody can write software that fully or partially implements the OOXML specification without being liable to patent lawsuits or patent license fees by Microsoft;
   6. This format conflicts with existing ISO standards, such as ISO 8601 (Representation of dates and times), ISO 639 (Codes for the Representation of Names and Languages) or ISO/IEC 10118-3 (cryptographic hash);
   7. There is a bug in the spreadsheet file format which forbids any date before the year 1900: such bugs affect the OOXML specification as well as software applications like Microsoft Excel 2000, XP, 2003 and 2007.
   8. This standard proposal was not created by bringing together the experience and expertise of all interested parties (such as the producers, sellers, buyers, users and regulators), but by Microsoft alone.


Note:
Office OpenXML (shortened OOXML) is neither open nor XML, nor is it a general "Office" file format, as it is specifically tailored to Microsoft Office 2007.
Office OpenXML is NO WAY RELATED to OpenOffice.org, a free software office suite supporting the ISO office document standard ODF. A better, less confusing name would be "Microsoft Office Document ML" or something to that effect.

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NiTRoX

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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2007, 08:02:41 pm »
Good info + nice name ;)

ShadowNinjaDudeMan

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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2007, 12:08:55 am »
*Snigger*

I claim responsibility for the

Bill Gates, MSLand, 59 seconds ago
Comments: I suck balls.

and

Bob Smithers, USA, 2 hours ago
Comments: VE MUST STOP ZOSE MICROZOFT NAZIS!!!

Petitions.

Lol, Im so immature.
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St. Anger

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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2007, 01:03:59 am »
Now watch all the linux geeks and Mac fanboys flood the petition, too bad it won't do shit.

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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2007, 01:13:40 am »
Quote from: "St. Anger"
too bad it won't do shit.


True.

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sO petition and kick them out of power so I can do what i want to do. Your vote matters!
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The 11th plague of Egypt

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2007, 01:18:44 pm »
Yes it matters, but M$ is buying votes of many countries:

http://www.noooxml.org/irregularities

It really looks like they can buy everything with their money: open-source is good because it does not base his success on dollars.

Lava Croft

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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2007, 01:40:00 pm »
Oh noes! Microsoft is doing something! It must be bad! Because its Microsoft! Let's all grow our hair, quit shaving our armpits and smoke pot while shaking our fist at the coorporate nazis!

Sigh.

The 11th plague of Egypt

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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2007, 02:08:21 pm »
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Oh no! They are swearing at Microsoft ! M$ can't be wrong ! Because it's my God !

This is not serious as well, ain't it ?


Microsoft is not doing "something": it's trying to make a standard which breaks other standards. Such absurd things shouldn't be permitted.

Lava Croft

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2007, 02:45:09 pm »
Quote from: "The 11th plague of Egypt"

Microsoft is not doing "something": it's trying to make a standard which breaks other standards. Such absurd things shouldn't be permitted.

Quite the funny interpretation of 'Freedom' you have.

The 11th plague of Egypt

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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2007, 05:06:17 pm »
Quite funny I haven't mentioned the word freedom...

Lava Croft

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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2007, 06:25:37 pm »
Quote from: "The 11th plague of Egypt"
Quite funny I haven't mentioned the word freedom...

Exactly why I mentioned it, since you couldn't mention it. Your post implies restricting freedom. ISO is an independent organization that has shown (at least to me) that they are fairly capable at choosing their standards. We live in a free world and MicroSoft is a company just like any, so they are free to try. Not permitting them to try this, that is what's kind of contradictive with freedom, don't you think?

The 11th plague of Egypt

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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2007, 06:42:02 pm »
Corrupting an international organization shouldn't be a freedom at all.
It should be a crime. No contradiction.

http://www.noooxml.org/irregularities

ShadowNinjaDudeMan

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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2007, 07:06:08 pm »
Are you Bill Gates, Lava?
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2007, 07:19:44 pm »
Quote from: "ShadowNinjaDudeMan"
Are you Bill Gates, Lava?


No, I am.
Go here and sign my petition asking that Nigeria open its borders and let me in. :D

I prefer ODF anyway.
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hitchen1

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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2007, 07:31:28 pm »
Quote from: "YourMama"
Quote from: "ShadowNinjaDudeMan"
Are you Bill Gates, Lava?


No, I am.
Go here and sign my petition asking that Nigeria open its borders and let me in. :D

I prefer ODF anyway.

i almost clicked that

The 11th plague of Egypt

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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2007, 07:39:40 pm »
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Go here


Ok, really funny...I hope it's not a virus, anyway.

ShadowNinjaDudeMan

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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2007, 07:51:06 pm »
come back!

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Lava Croft

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NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2007, 02:14:52 pm »
Quote from: "The 11th plague of Egypt"
Corrupting an international organization shouldn't be a freedom at all.
It should be a crime. No contradiction.

You imply it should be a crime, which touches the core of your motivation. Your motivation is not so much the actual Office standard, it's the fact that it's MicroSoft trying to get their probably crappy standard through ISO.
I rather let ISO decide, that's what ISO is for. Any company is free to try and get a nice ISO emblem, that includes any supposedly evil companies like MicroSoft.

ShadowNinjaDudeMan

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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2007, 03:13:42 pm »
Do you two do debating as a hobby?

Or just practice intelligence?

That was a well placed argument, need more of them.
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NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2007, 03:15:37 pm »
Quote from: "The 11th plague of Egypt"
Corrupting an international organization shouldn't be a freedom at all.
It should be a crime. No contradiction.

http://www.noooxml.org/irregularities

Numerous commercial bodies repeatedly try to use their financial weight to make their standard "official" through standards organisations for various reasons. Microsoft are not alone in this, and I'd be surprised if the ISO aren't used to these attempts. Also, if a standard on office application file formats aggravates your inner hippie then look for similar shenanigans in standards for automotive, aerospace and medical equipment.

gareth

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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2007, 05:21:21 pm »
such zealotry does not further your cause.

The 11th plague of Egypt

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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2007, 12:08:31 am »
The petition reached the 60'000 signatures !

Keep an eye on it people ;)

You can have a look at this nice video too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCZ98bL1Y0U

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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2007, 12:40:42 am »
Micro$oft lo$t all re$pectability when they relea$ed Vi$ta...
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2007, 06:58:17 am »
Please don't revive this topic like I'm doing.

It just gets annoying.
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The 11th plague of Egypt

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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2007, 01:41:15 pm »
I'd say there are many worse topics here: what's wrong with this ?