Attention! Tremcentral.com has been launched!

[Lakitu7]

The problem is, if you become the hub for new players, you will teach them to play Tremulous as it is played on SST, which is really not Tremulous as it was designed/envisioned or how it is played on other servers. It's all well and good if you teach people to play Tremulous, but being as this is a project associated with SST, the logical assumption is that you will encourage them to play your version of the game under the guise of teaching them to play actual Tremulous and that's really not such a good thing.

[Confess]

Well, I could easily comment and fight with you about how there are several different themes/etc, but as I said..SST is completely seperate, however the SST bashing is pissing me off and my patience can only go so far, so I am requesting that it cease and desist.

[gareth]

please retexture your site with non-atcs textures

its not a bad idea i think. would be nice to see more information about the maps hosted like levelshot readme etc, id do that (php/mysql) if it would be a great help

[David]

Actually, David, I have done a lot for the community and gained a lot of trust and respect.

Were not talking about giving admin on a server or mod on a forum, were talking about access to a server, where there are legal and financial ramifications.  If you look in the TOS from any data centre, it says your responsible for anything and everything.  When you get hacked and they find out that A) your were running ftpd, and B) you gave out passwords, they wont be very sympathetic to you.  Also, the trust isn't just you, its you and all your team.  And were not just trusting you to not be evil, were trusting your skills at security.  (which, AFAIK, are unproven.)

Your trying to help the trem community, that's good, and gets you a +1 in my book.  I don't disaprove of what your doing or why your doing it, what I do disagree with is how.  rsync / wgetable lists are just as good, and add a thing to ping places if you want to keep the push aspect.
I would love it if all the map repos could work together, aside from anything else it would make it easier for us from the stand point of finding / checking maps.

Gareth:
The map details thing is half done (along with everything else I started and gave up on...), I'll dig it out and see if I can finish it some time.

[Confess]

Oh yes, I failed to mention. We added a feature in which if you do not want a map uploaded to your server, simply create a new file called the map name.block, IE if I dont want map-atcs1.1.0.pk3 on my FTP, i create a file called map-atcs1.1.0.block

[tuple]

And although I do not want to turn this into a bashing thread, MG is the reason why TC was started. As all MG does is attempt at bashing SST and other servers/clans, which appears to be their main goal, and I will not support a group of people that acts like this.

How exactly can you expect a statement like this to not result in a flamewar or the derailment of your thread?

People still don't get MG?  The years spent saying (almost comically) that we're a guild, not a clan has not sunk in?  People still perceive MG as this monolithic existence?  I am one of the individuals that has "bashed" SST, I am also in MG.  They are unrelated.  Is this difficult to understand?

What you are doing is very nice, and that people contribute to the greater good is always to be appreciated.  But can you understand why people would have concerns (justifiably so, I think) that they are expected to give what amounts to user level access to an outside organization?  Lots of the MG members are coders and admins, so we look at things from those perspectives.

Wow, this really bothers me.  "all MG does is attempt at bashing SST and other servers/clans, which appears to be their main goal"
http://www.mercenariesguild.net/
http://www.puretremulous.com/
http://www.mercenariesguild.net/patches/
http://www.mercenariesguild.net/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,12/id,documentation_project/lang,en/
http://www.mercenariesguild.net/component/option,com_wrapper/Itemid,35/lang,en/

At least 4 servers are hosted by MG right now, 2 of which regularly have players and one of which has regular games when asked for.   Some of the patches applied to YOUR source comes from MG members.  I regularly see MG docs linked to.

Frankly, I haven't done a whole lot lately, but I know a lot of members who have, and regularly do.  I would appreciate it if you didn't condense all of their good work down to a main goal of bashing others.

edit: Might I add that Adv_Dretch, one of the bots in your irc channel was created by David, a longstanding MG member.

[gareth]

*removed post*

[Josellis]

Great stuff there! As a few people have said before, it would be great to be able to rate maps et perhaps that it would be possible to display the levelshot within the pk3, as well as the complete name and other useful things.

To those complaining about security with the FTP, I have to say, there is NOTHING on the website that says "We will not use any data submitted on this website for any malicious purposes", which allows the TremCentral administrators and anyone who have any access to any information to use this information in whatever way they want.

Also, from a legal perspective, all the things said outside the Terms of Services (ToS) and the inexistent Privacy Policy (PP), whether it is on TremCentral, here on any other website is not legally bindable. This means that you can say anything on your website and have no PP, which means that by law, the owners can do anything with the information provided.

So, to all the administrators of TremCentral, you will have to create proper Terms of Services et a proper Privacy Policy, for your own security. If  anything happens, then it is possible to sue you, which might be somewhat inconvenient. For your ToS and PP, I recommend you to read some good examples (Adobe ToS, Adobe PP, Microsoft Tos, Microsoft PP), and then write your own. If you're too lazy, copy Adobe's/Microsoft's ToS and PP and then adapt it to your website, removing irrelevant information, and adding any information required. (and READ through those four examples, so that you get an idea of what a legal document sounds like, and what is necessary)

btw, I do realise that Terms of Services and Privacy Policies are extremely boring, and they go forever, repeating stuff over and over, but put it in perspective, you spent hours and money in creating this website and making it available to all, this could all be thrown out the window if you don't make a good ToS and PP.

Otherwise, great idea, just need to have a legal protection now.

[benmachine]

which means that by law, the owners can do anything with the information provided.

You might find that there are some automatic rights which need to be specifically waivered.

[tuple]

Ok. what do you want added to the HTTP downloads for servers sticky?

I've modified it and shrunk the MG repo info considerably, and added some tremcentral.com stuff, namely the server.cfg additions.  Now that I think of it, I'll add a link to your faq.  What info do you want in the sticky?

Incidently, sorry this has taken me this long, it smacks of work so I've put it off

One last thing, your additions to server.cfg include

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set fs_game "base"
which will break mods, and seems to rule them out of using the service.  I would like to note that in the sticky.  Not a big deal for all, what, 2 mod servers out there :> , still, it should be noted to prevent breakage

edit: I experimented with html anchors/links but smf doesn't seem to like html, and I haven't actually investigated further yet.  Still working on it though.