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Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« on: December 31, 2007, 09:45:17 am »
Howdy.
Been a long time since I've posted here.
I took a break from tremulous for a while, playing once every few weeks, until I got home for winter break this year.  So, lately, I've been playing a lot, catching up on the trem-doings.

One things I HAVE noticed is what's happened to my clan.  I started Dretch Storm Pro, (DSPro), several months ago.  I've been patient, taking things slow, but we've been around and things are going smooth.

What I noticed was reputation.  For one thing, a lot more people seem to recognize the DSPro tag.  The problem is it's not always positive.  Now, often it is.  Usually people are either a) glad to have me on their team, b) are indifferent, or c) don't know about DSPro, and thus don't care.  But once or twice, I've been greeted with hostility, and I want to know what's up with that.

I'm talking about joining the _ms clan server one day, and getting verbally abused by two guys who had know idea who I was, but had a very negative view of DSPro.

What's the deal?  What do people think about DSPro, and why?  I've never heard of any problems caused by any of my clan members.  As far as I know, we're all a helpful, fun bunch, and we're all good players.  I think it's pretty ridiculous to kick somebody from a server just because they have a DSPro tag on, especially if they haven't done anything remotely disruptive. 

Alright, that's the end of this post.  Following up is just a list of members, and the DSPro FAQ I have listed on dretchstorm.com for people who don't know who we are.  Most up to date members list and faq can be found at http://dretchstorm.com/node/1145

Active members (role)

Janook (Founder)
Fallen- (Recruitment)
Net_Giant
Jay
Ohm
RoTh'
BloodyDemon
Prince_Andrei
Arreis
Volt

Inactive Members
Osc1006 (Currently running his own clan called [n00b])
Silsor (AWOL)

DSPro FAQ
What's with the name?
The name, Dretch Storm Pro, came about due to the fact that most of us play primarily on the Dretch Storm server.  We're sort of a fan club.  I firmly believe that the D*S admins are not corrupt, are dedicated, are fair, and do a great job of keeping the server fun and free of jerks.  I also firmly believe that the D*S has an unusually high average skill level.  The "Pro" part is simply because we have a high minimum skill level admittance standard.  Everyone who bears the DSPro tag is a very good player.

So, like, do you guys run the server?
Nope. We don't.  Ghostshell runs the server, who is not in DSPro.  A lot of us are admins on the server, however.

What services do you offer?
I'm currently working on getting a DSPro website up.  Other than that, we sometimes have a server which runs in the evenings, offered by Fallen-. 

What kind of clan things do you guys do?
Being a member of DSPro primarily lets you wield the DSPro tag.  Reputation is hard to build.  In the relatively small community of tremulous (compared to other gaming communities), it's a lot easier to join a well known clan than it is to make a name for yourself.  That's the point of DSPro.  Merely having the tag shows that you are are a valuable member of your team.

Do you have clan matches?
Not yet.  We may in the future.  I started the clan with a promise not to put a burden on members.  I would never have people "sign up" for matches, it would simply be who is available at the time.  I would also never have scheduled practices or meetings.  This is a video game, you should have fun, you play it on your free time; it shouldn't cut into other parts of your life.

I saw so-and-so with a DSPro tag teamkilling! Who do I tell?

Please PM me on the dretchstorm.com website.  We have a strict no-disturbing-the-game policy.  If you have proof that the member was being disruptive, he will immediatly be booted from the clan.

Who can join?

To be a member of DSPro, you need to satisfy 2 key requirements: You have to be a GOOD and FUN player, such that:
1) Your skill level has a significant positive impact on your team's chances of winning.
2) Your demeanor makes the game more fun to play for everyone around you.

So what does that mean? Well, the first one is easy. You need to be good. You should regularly be in the top 1-5 players. You can solo 2 goons with a pulse rifle. You can beat two chainsuits as a tyrant. But it's not just about having a lot of kills; it's about being smart. You know when to run, when to defend, when to protect your base, and how to play as a team-member. You know when to snipe buildings and when to tyrant suicide-rush.  You understand that kill whoring and camping have their places in the strategy books.  You know how to win the game!

The second one means you're helpful. If a noob asks how to buy guns, you explain it to him. If someone wants you to show him how to get to the human base, you lead the way. You are a kind, courteous, respectful player. You are somewhat talkative, you are NOT annoying. 

How do I join?
Find me or Fallen- in game.  We are often on the dretch*storm server.  We will spec you for at least 1 round on both human and alien to make sure that you satisfy the requirements.  You must also hang around the D*S server for a while so we can get a feel for what kind of person you are.  We will also be checking your stats via the D*S stats systems.

The following sections are more for members.

Do I need to wear the tag?
Yes.  Take pride, you're in DSPro.  Every so often, it's alright if you change computers or GUIDs or something, but you should usually have the tag on.
You don't have to use the same colors, but I ask that you do. It looks cooler on the player list.
The easiest way to put in the tag is the same way you do binds. Create a file in your tremulous/base folder called autoexec.cfg (NOT autogen.cfg) and put in the following line:
name ^1DS^3Pro^7|(rest of name)
for me, it's
name ^1DS^3Pro^7|^1Ja^7no^1ok

What are the rules once I'm a member?
You will be immediately booted from the clan if anyone provides conclusive evidence of any of the following disruptive behavior in a standard game:
Teamkilling, team bleeding, bad glitch building, hacking, cheating, aimbotting, spamming, excessive verbal abuse, etc.  In general, if you are disturbing the game, you are doing something wrong.  You're job is to elevate the game, not bring it down.

Being under the influence isn't an excuse to be a jerk.  If you shame DSPro, you are booted out, plain and simple.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2008, 12:39:08 am by Janook »

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2007, 06:42:46 pm »
Hmm, I don't know much about DSPro (as I don't play on D*S), but I do know that _MS has a fairly terrible reputation/server, so I wouldn't pay much attention to whatever they said.  I don't think many other people think poorly/think at all of you - unless you count the stigma surrounding the D*S servers.



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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2007, 06:44:17 pm »
Well, I saw you kicking for no reason once on one of the Dretch Storm servers

Other than that, your nice guys.

Good luck with your clan.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2008, 12:09:24 am »
Stigma surrounding D*S servers?
I guess that's another question; I don't understand why/how D*S has a negative reputation.  The only trem-wide issue I know about is Ghostshell refusing to release his source code.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2008, 01:15:52 am »
Hmm, I don't know much about DSPro (as I don't play on D*S), but I do know that _MS has a fairly terrible reputation/server, so I wouldn't pay much attention to whatever they said.  I don't think many other people think poorly/think at all of you - unless you count the stigma surrounding the D*S servers.



-AppleJuices of PPs OUT

First off, I would like to clarify that my clan had nothing to do with this.  90% of the shit talked on my server is from V or AA.  They like to hover in spec just to swear at people(then they get mad when they get banned).  The only people I ever talk shit to, are some V members, some AA members, and Sonic.  My members know I don't condone stereotyping or bugging people because they are in a certain clan.  For instance AA.  I hate almost all of their members because of their poor attitudes.  But several of them I still have a great time with, like bug and defamai. They are welcome on my server any time, yahoo though.  I hate him.  He gets instant banned.

So any of the stuff on my server related to DS pro.  Probably had nothing to do with ms.  Especially since the majority of my members only play on MS or FA so they don't know anyone.  They generally don't have opinions of other people.  So please get your facts straight before you talk shit apple.  90% of the bitchers and complainers on my server aren't even in my clan.  I don't even know why they play there.  The only respectable server regular I have is anger.
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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2008, 01:41:36 am »
Anni,

Somehow I doubt that Apple was talking about the {V} and AA members who talk shit in your server.  Your clan does have a strong reputation for exactly what Apple said.  Don't get mad at him for saying it, it's just the way things are.

@Janook

DSPro is a fine clan in my opinion.  It's one of those few clans that have stuck around for a good long while and have a dedicated set of members.  I doubt many people have any grudges against you, or your clan.  Save maybe someone you kick from the D*S servers.  But that's not a reputation thing, just a "I can't believe you kicked me!" thing.  This is a very informative topic, and I'm glad that you are letting the community get to know you a bit more.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2008, 03:49:31 am »
Hmm, I don't know much about DSPro (as I don't play on D*S), but I do know that _MS has a fairly terrible reputation/server, so I wouldn't pay much attention to whatever they said.  I don't think many other people think poorly/think at all of you - unless you count the stigma surrounding the D*S servers.



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First off, I would like to clarify that my clan had nothing to do with this.  90% of the shit talked on my server is from V or AA.  They like to hover in spec just to swear at people(then they get mad when they get banned).  The only people I ever talk shit to, are some V members, some AA members, and Sonic.  My members know I don't condone stereotyping or bugging people because they are in a certain clan.  For instance AA.  I hate almost all of their members because of their poor attitudes.  But several of them I still have a great time with, like bug and defamai. They are welcome on my server any time, yahoo though.  I hate him.  He gets instant banned.

So any of the stuff on my server related to DS pro.  Probably had nothing to do with ms.  Especially since the majority of my members only play on MS or FA so they don't know anyone.  They generally don't have opinions of other people.  So please get your facts straight before you talk shit apple.  90% of the bitchers and complainers on my server aren't even in my clan.  I don't even know why they play there.  The only respectable server regular I have is anger.
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How can you blame that on AA, considering that hardly any AA play on your server but me. Don't bring this up into an AA bashing thread because this post has nothing to do with AA.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2008, 09:04:33 am »
Guess volt didn't tell you. He's in AA.  :(

[edit to be on topic]:

Having a tag with "pro" in it is sometimes subject to mockery by anyone who is/thinks they are better than you. Doesn't bother me, I understand the need to set yourself aside from the regular DS, but that may be a small factor.

The dretch storm sever, more than the clan, I have noticed, carries a negative image. Playing with loads of people in every game at a fast pace usually doesn't translate to good performance in scrims, which usually are 4v4 and are camped for 2-3 hours.

The guys you were talking to on the MS server, my guess would be >Legend, he's difficult to impress, so don't feel bad if he is the only one that doesn't like ya.

I'm not trying to bash you at all here, I don't know you or most of your clan, and you seem organized, just merely trying to answer your question =/

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2008, 01:58:51 am »
sir, you had me at
I also firmly believe that the D*S has an unusually high average skill level.  The "Pro" part is simply because we have a high minimum skill level admittance standard.  Everyone who bears the DSPro tag is a very good player.
lolol

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2008, 02:21:54 am »
Hmm, I don't know much about DSPro (as I don't play on D*S), but I do know that _MS has a fairly terrible reputation/server, so I wouldn't pay much attention to whatever they said.  I don't think many other people think poorly/think at all of you - unless you count the stigma surrounding the D*S servers.



-AppleJuices of PPs OUT

First off, I would like to clarify that my clan had nothing to do with this.  90% of the shit talked on my server is from V or AA.  They like to hover in spec just to swear at people(then they get mad when they get banned).  The only people I ever talk shit to, are some V members, some AA members, and Sonic.  My members know I don't condone stereotyping or bugging people because they are in a certain clan.  For instance AA.  I hate almost all of their members because of their poor attitudes.  But several of them I still have a great time with, like bug and defamai. They are welcome on my server any time, yahoo though.  I hate him.  He gets instant banned.

So any of the stuff on my server related to DS pro.  Probably had nothing to do with ms.  Especially since the majority of my members only play on MS or FA so they don't know anyone.  They generally don't have opinions of other people.  So please get your facts straight before you talk shit apple.  90% of the bitchers and complainers on my server aren't even in my clan.  I don't even know why they play there.  The only respectable server regular I have is anger.
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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2008, 03:15:38 am »
Yaroo's clan, dumbass.

{V}

I knew he was sarcastic...Dumbass.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2008, 05:06:15 am »
Bulli... You are the dumbass if you haven't noticed that there are at least 3 Clans sporting that single letter.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2008, 10:07:24 am »
sir, you had me at
I also firmly believe that the D*S has an unusually high average skill level.  The "Pro" part is simply because we have a high minimum skill level admittance standard.  Everyone who bears the DSPro tag is a very good player.
lolol

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Bulli... You are the dumbass if you haven't noticed that there are at least 3 Clans sporting that single letter.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2008, 03:53:34 am »
Bulli... You are the dumbass if you haven't noticed that there are at least 3 Clans sporting that single letter.

LOL I can tell you didn't read the fine print.  Read a post before you reply to it.  Kthx.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2008, 07:07:31 am »
There may be 3 clans with a "V" tag, but it's pretty hard to confuse Caveman's V with Yarou's V when they never play on servers on the same side of the globe. Most of the confusion from the similar names doesn't seem to actually happen in game or could be held anyone that gives a crap about either clan scene at all.


On topic, I believe the quote that Yahoo quoted is the the root of what you're asking Janook. Popular opinion outside of D*S would be more toward it having a rather low average skill level, and thus calling yourselves "pros" of D*S sounds silly. You've chosen to associate your rep with that of D*S because your name means that you are a good player among those of D*S, thus making your rep based on how good someone believes the general base there to be. I personally have decent-high opinions of the few names on your roster that I have played with, but the majority I don't know at all because I don't play on D*S and they don't play where I do. All of your names that I do know, I know from before they joined your group, from their previous reputations and deeds.

It would help you if you changed your name, but it would also help if you were more visible on other servers so that people who don't play D*S had something to base their opinion on besides your name and, for those old enough to remember Killaz, the fact that you have Bloody and Roth.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2008, 01:05:50 pm »
I have had problems with D*S clan in the past on dretch storm but not DSpro.
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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2008, 07:43:15 pm »
Bulli... You are the dumbass if you haven't noticed that there are at least 3 Clans sporting that single letter.

LOL I can tell you didn't read the fine print.  Read a post before you reply to it.  Kthx.

If you want a post read, make it legible.  posting in and unreadable font, and then criticizing someone for not reading it?  You are a moron.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2008, 08:32:48 pm »
Bulli... You are the dumbass if you haven't noticed that there are at least 3 Clans sporting that single letter.

Then why did you make it sound like the V you mentioned was the only one? If you knew there were three V clans, why jump to the conclusion that the one you THINK is under discussion is the one that really IS under discussion?

Meh, I won't go any deeper. Your reasons are your own I suppose, however inefficient they are in making a point.

As for DSPro, I've always held one grudge for it, and that's that you guys have never really scrimmed. Glad to see you want to change that in the future. Most DSPro are really friendly and have decent skill, although some are really good. Bloody and Roth are good, at least individually.
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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2008, 08:43:40 pm »
Dracone, if you read my post then please read it correctly.
I am speaking for V- NOT for =V= NOR {V} NOR ]V[

You should keep out of things you really have no clue about.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2008, 11:52:24 pm »
 always thought net giant was cool. he's a good player who doesn't talk much. maybe that is the best kind. lol.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2008, 04:33:31 pm »
Jay went epic I believe.
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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2008, 09:13:53 am »
Thanks for the replies, they are helpful.
Some responses..

To Freak: Yeah, the MS clan had nothing to do with it, I'm just saying I was on your server.

To Kamikazi: I agree that playing a large, fast past game doesn't necessarily translate to good scrim performance, but it certainly does help seperate players.  Any player who does well fighting an alien 1v1 in a large game will still do well fighting an alien 1v1 in a small game.  The only thing that changes is macro strategy; aiming and other combat abilities are constant.

To Yahoo: You're a prick and should learn to make decisions based of fact and observation, not your own immature feelings.

Dracone: We are trying to scrim more.  Actually, we scrimmed NT 1 or 2 weeks ago. (tied.)

Lakito7: I get what you're saying.  Response is below.

Back to everyone...
So what about the negative D*S reputation?  I don't understand why D*S would have a rep of having low-skilled players on it.  I can comfortably say that I am a decent player, and I'd like to think I can spot other decent playeers; I know that on D*S there are always a good amount of good players.  Most servers, if you run out alone, you can kill the first 3-4 big aliens you run into if you 1v1 each of them.  But on D*S, i can't run out, because I will usually bump into someone who kills me.  Saying that there are 4 skilled players on a team may seem like nothing, but to have 8 players in the game who I am afraid of is something.

I wish people would play on D*S a little more before casting it down.  I know every admin well enough to say that they are intelligent and cool-headed.  I know the regulars well enough to say that they are fun, friendly, and skilled.  I know the owner well enough to say that it's hard to get on his bad side if you have good intentions.

Spend 3 hours of play on D*S in the next week (during peak hours!) and you'll see what I mean; there is always someone who can beat you.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2008, 04:17:14 am »
o.O @ resign gracefully

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2008, 04:55:28 am »
Well shucks Volt.  Could have used your in our attempt to become a scrimming clan.  Ah well, have fun in AA.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2008, 12:40:22 am »
Thanks for the replies, they are helpful.
Some responses..

To Freak: Yeah, the MS clan had nothing to do with it, I'm just saying I was on your server.


Sorry about the big fuss I made, I just get about 30-50 complaints a day on my server for stuff that I and no one in my clan did so I'm rather defensive.  I've never personally had a problem with anyone in DS pro and play on your server now and then.  Hope to see ya around.
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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2008, 07:33:20 am »
I think the root of the issue here goes way beyond D*S and its reputation. Tremulous in general does not have that great of a community, lets face it. Most of the ppl playing are more concerned about whose got the bigger cock, *cough* *cough* yahoo *cough* *cough*, and just tend to be real assholes in game. Which is why, imo Tremulous has not been able to attract a large community of players. Its players like yahoo who dont really show any respect or just some decency. Yeah theres ppl who are noobs, doesn't reflect them as people, and I think we should keep this in mind. I'm not saying I myself am always respectful, I like to cause my fair share of chaos, but only to the likes of yahoo and AA, who in my imo deserve it :D. Not to mention there are some individual's that play on D*S aswell as SST that feel that because they have admin powers, they can go around tking me. But when the favour is returned :P, I get the ban hammer. This tends to generally piss me off. So all im saying is lets start fresh. Put all differences aside, whether your good at trem or your just learning the ropes, lets just all show eachother some love.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2008, 12:59:08 pm »
Nice post Steven, people forget why you play video games. Its to have fun imo.

I always wanted to scrim DS, I think with a bit of practice u guys can do well. If OPP ever has 4 on hit us up for a scrim or practice. Doesn't matter to us.  If you want i can tell you all I know(It doesn't take long lol) about scrims. We are always willing to share our opinions on how to be competitive.
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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2008, 06:00:42 pm »
In my experience, any grief about the tag that I've gotten while on other servers is more about DS itself and not the DSPro clan members. I do understand why some people prefer smaller servers without share and without DS's mods, which is why I often play on those smaller servers as well. But I also think people complain about DS without actually spending much time there to see if their preconceived notions match reality.

I would agree that having the word "Pro" in the name asks for it a bit, but I like that it sets high expectations. Plus, it is more memorable than a couple of random letters.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2008, 08:41:07 pm »
I also think people complain about DS without actually spending much time there to see if their preconceived notions match reality.

This may be as much of an assumption as you are accusing others of making.  Many of us have in the past played their quite a bit and formed our opinions based on that time.  Playing a mod without anyone actually calling it a mod is annoying at best.

Not to start a flame war, :) but not everyone's opinion of the server is based on groupthink.

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Re: Dretch Storm Pro Reputation question
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2008, 03:45:02 pm »
Not to start a flame war...

But here's a somewhat off-topic inflammatory remark followed by a gross misrepresentation!   (I'm just giving you a hard time, no flame war please :P)

Clearly people have specific reasons for preferring other servers. I listed the three that came to mind (including one that apparently annoys you in particular). I certainly didn't accuse everyone of following groupthink.

Back to the original topic... You seem to not be a fan of DS, which is quite reasonable--especially since I have (I think) seen you there a while back. Does this, as I conjectured, influence your opinion of DSPro? How often do you see DSPro players outside of DS? I try to spread the pwnage around a bit, but I don't know how often our other players play elsewhere.

I would love to be involved in more scrims, although it's hard to ever get more than 2 or 3 of us in one place at the same time. Damn school and responsibilities!